Is the 'Musilm' Ummah a racist ummah?

[greenhill]

I agree. I was raised Christian and would like to possibly convert and oh boy some people just illustrate complete sexism and are oblivious to it. I was talking to a man about my fear of converting because I am a feminist and he explained that woman don't have to work because the man does it for you so I had no reason to worry. He had no idea how sexist that statement was.

Welcome to the forum.

I don't know why that would be considered sexist to say "that woman don't have to work because a man does it for you..."

Apart from the obvious of earning income if you are employed, doing household chores and bringing up children is a full time undertaking and can be without a break for periods of time. I have seen many with both husbands and wives working and leaving the upbringing of their children to some other people and mostly do not have the time to really be with the children. By the time they have built up their savings etc, the children have all grown up and have no time for them.

I feel that it is just human perception for this statement. I have children of my own and it is a tiring, no ending and often a thankless task to ensure that my children get the best I could give. And for this, I cannot thank my wife enough that she decided to stop working as soon as she conceived and to remain at home to be a mother and wife... (I also told her not to forget that she is a wife first and mother second because eventually, the kids will leave the roost and we are back to being husband and wife again). Raising children is probably way harder a task than to be employed.

My wife started working part time on an 'as and when is' basis when the children were older and required less supervision and now that our kids are 20 and 16 respectively, she is planning to start back and I am all for it..

Personally I feel it a bit sad when women feel it an 'inferior' thing if she is to commit herself to home duties. As a man and having to deal with raising of children myself, it is a very disciplined undertaking and something that should 1000% appreciated and not be taken for granted at all.


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[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;

I am Germanic, and therefore of big sturdy athletic build and blue eyed. It would be completely insane of me to want to mix with a female of a race that is diminutive, dainty, willowy and physically inferior.

I am a racist because it is my priority for my own race to survive. I care not for other races though. It is their own responsibility, not mine, to ensure their own survival.

Is this what the prophet pbuh, taught?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[greenhill]

Is the muslim ummah a racist ummah?

What kind of question is that?

You know how many muslims there are in this world? Is like asking is the muslim ummah a terrorist ummah? Is the muslim ummah a polygamist ummah?

The muslim ummah should be a generous ummah, a forgiving ummah (but won't tolerate oppression and hypocrites), one that follows Allah's commands with patience.

How different groups live in accordance to their 'beliefs' does not reflect the entire ummah but merely their community.


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[Serinity]

Honestly, I may marry a german, an albanian, a british, whatever.. as long as she is Muslim. Why make life harder with limiting yourself to your own nationality?

But sure, there are people who choose their own kind, because it is easier. Same language, same culture, etc. I understand that.

But honestly. We live in a time where we might be belgian or german, or whatever nationality. But we have friends who are French, spanish, polish, etc.

See? we don't just have friends with our nationality.

Allahu alam.

 

[Karl]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;






Is this what the prophet pbuh, taught?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible, and therefore not complimentary to each other are in direct conflict with Islam. Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

 

[Karl]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;






Is this what the prophet pbuh, taught?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible (and therefore not complimentary to each other) are in direct conflict with Islam. Ok, Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

 

[Scimitar]

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible, and therefore not complimentary to each other are in direct conflict with Islam. Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

unbelievable - lol.

Sorry karl, but this was entertaining in a wholly silly kinda way lol

Scimi

 

[Zafran]

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible (and therefore not complimentary to each other) are in direct conflict with Islam. Ok, Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

contradicts Islam from the last sermon of the prophet

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white – except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."

Your a racist crackpot.

 

[Karl]

contradicts Islam from the last sermon of the prophet

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white – except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."

Your a racist crackpot.

Of course all Muslims form a "brotherhood", but that of course is only by our religious affiliation. Racially though, I am no brother to you at all. Contrary to what the globalist New World Order Marxists fanatically preach, insisting on only breeding with a member of one's own race is NOT "racist crackpot" at all. It is a perfectly normal and natural instinct. Look, if I hypothetically hybridized with a female of a morphologically incompatible race, and worse still, of inferior size, the hybrid offspring would look like bizarre out-of-proportioned freaks, and they would lose the big strong sturdy athletic physique that is inherent to my race -- an attribute we take great pride in. This is WHY I strictly forbid any of my offspring miscegenating with any race that is small, puny and delicate featured. It's as equally insane as wanting to mix a Rottweiler with a cute little toy dog! And my offspring know full well that any violation of my strict anti-miscegenation orders WILL result in dire consequences.

Just because I said I don't want to breed with a member of a different race that is morphologically "inferior" (and therefore completely incompatible) to myself doesn't mean to say that I believe that their lives are of less overall value to mine in the greater scheme of things. I regard all living sentient beings as equal under Allah (SWT). I regard myself no more superior to even an insect.

In regards to "all mankind being from Adam and Eve", well this needs to be looked at from a historical context. In the days of the prophet (PBUH) "mankind" pertained to the races of the more immediate geographical regions of Asia, not to very morphologically different races completely unknown about on the other side of the planet. If you want to insist that all races are from Adam and Eve, then hey, I for one must therefore not be of "mankind" because I do not accept that my race came from Adam and Eve. That however doesn't in itself bar me from believing in Allah (SWT).

 

[Zafran]

Of course all Muslims form a "brotherhood", but that of course is only by our religious affiliation. Racially though, I am no brother to you at all. Contrary to what the globalist New World Order Marxists fanatically preach, insisting on only breeding with a member of one's own race is NOT "racist crackpot" at all. It is a perfectly normal and natural instinct. Look, if I hypothetically hybridized with a female of a morphologically incompatible race, and worse still, of inferior size, the hybrid offspring would look like bizarre out-of-proportioned freaks, and they would lose the big strong sturdy athletic physique that is inherent to my race -- an attribute we take great pride in. This is WHY I strictly forbid any of my offspring miscegenating with any race that is small, puny and delicate featured. It's as equally insane as wanting to mix a Rottweiler with a cute little toy dog! And my offspring know full well that any violation of my strict anti-miscegenation orders WILL result in dire consequences.

People in the Jahliya used to think like that. You have very little choice on who your offspring will marry anyway. - Thinking that your your morphological better then other races is irrational as variety of people from different tribes are not all the same. Its shouldn't even be the main focus on who you should marry - there character should be the main focus.

In regards to "all mankind being from Adam and Eve", well this needs to be looked at from a historical context. In the days of the prophet (PBUH) "mankind" pertained to the races of the more immediate geographical regions of Asia, not to very morphologically different races completely unknown about on the other side of the planet. If you want to insist that all races are from Adam and Eve, then hey, I for one must therefore not be of "mankind" because I do not accept that my race came from Adam and Eve. That however doesn't in itself bar me from believing in Allah (SWT).

All humans are related if you take the prophetic knowledge which is not historical but Revelation based - or evolution - we are related and there is ample evidence for that.

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

@Karl

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and so much of what you've written contradicts my understanding of both science, the world, and Islam. However, even leaving aside views that you've expressed that I cannot help but characterize as both racist and un-Islamic, I would like to simply say a few things that I think are important for a broader perspective:
(1) In Islam, belief in qadr (destiny) is one of the six pillars of iman (faith). So, it may be that you, for example, absolutely forbid your child/children from miscegenation but that Allah has willed your child to marry a person of other ethnicity, nationality, and culture; so, despite your views, your act of forbidding your child is nothing but a puerile attempt at controlling destiny.
(2) More importantly, even if you believe that there's cultural Marxism that globalists somehow are endorsing as a means of making races inferior (which I find a nonsensical conspiracy theory), you'll have to understand that the plans of any person or persons are not anything that can be above Allah's Plan.
(3) There is no such thing as racial purity: I'm sorry that people still in this day and age believe in trying to achieve/maintain this fiction.

Finally, I'd also suggest that you Google Craig Cobb, a white supremacist, who had visions of trying to build an all-white town. However, on a reality television show, he was embarrassed when DNA test revealed which revealed he had 14% sub-Saharan African genes. Might I suggest that you do a DNA test of yourself to see to what degree you're a byproduct of being purely white?

As to the OP, specific to this thread as an answer, I'd say that while there is no racism in Islam, it is not true that there are not racist Muslims. If there's one thing I have learned all my years of being a Muslim, it is that people bring their own prejudices to Islam whether they are non-coverts or converts; and you just have to learn to judge each individual on his/her own merits and learn to observe so that you may accurately gauge whether a specific individual holds racist views or not: some Muslims are racist and some Muslims are not.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Karl]

People in the Jahliya used to think like that. You have very little choice on who your offspring will marry anyway. - Thinking that your your morphological better then other races is irrational as variety of people from different tribes are not all the same. Its shouldn't even be the main focus on who you should marry - there character should be the main focus.

I actually DO have a full choice of who my offspring will or will not marry. *I* am their father, not you, therefore you or any other outsider simply have no say in my domestic affairs. As I said, there will be VERY serious consequences if my offspring ever miscegenate. Besides, they have respect for me anyway and they hate miscegenation just as much as me, so they will obviously not defy me.

It is also not "irrational" for me to want to maintain the morphological characteristics that have been inherent in my race since day one. While I agree that the character of my partner should be of high importance, it nonetheless should come SECOND in importance to her being of the same RACE as me. If my offspring were hypothetically not able to find suitable spouses within my own race, rather than having to revert to the deplorable and unforgivable act of miscegenation, they would simply not marry and have offspring AT ALL.

You are wrong that there is great morphological variety within a single race (at least one that is pure). Every member I know of my race look close enough to each other, morphologically and in size, that we could easily be mistaken as directly related brother, sisters, cousins etc, even when not directly related. We are all big and strong. Smallness and puniness simply doesn't exist. By the age of around 12 every adult male of my race are of approximately the same size and height as each other. The same goes with our females.

All humans are related if you take the prophetic knowledge which is not historical but Revelation based - or evolution - we are related and there is ample evidence for that.

All life of Earth has some relation in DNA. This is because all life requires the same genetic building blocks required for survival. I am around 50% genetically the same as a banana, and 98.8% the same as a chimpanzee. But that doesn't mean to say that I should want to hybridize with a banana or a chimp. I was designed to breed with my own race.

 

[Serinity]

[MENTION=20848]Karl[/MENTION]

If a woman or man came to your daughter / son, to marry, and to you, their race was "inferior" but their character and deen was good, would you deny your offspring solely based on race?

Honestly, I don't like that mindset of yours. It is quite disgusting. You, nor I, can decide whom our offspring can marry based on race.

If your daughter wanted to marry an "inferior" race, would you deny her that? If a pious good person came, would you marry your daughter to him?

You know about Bilal r.a. ? he was not good looking, he did not come from a famous progeny, family. Infact, afaik, none knew his family. No wealth, no good looks. Skipping ahead, the Prophet :saws: searched for a spouse for bilal, and went to a house from (can't remember the name) and asked for their daughter, they were happy, until they heard that it was for Bilal r.a. They were distraught, but the daughter accepted, knowing full well who Bilal r.a. was.

Besides, Rizq, health, wealth, is all from Allah :swt: . And if you deny your offspring spouses that are righteous and good in deen, only because of their race, then that is jahiliyah.

Bilal was not good looking - yet he was one of the pious. So to judge people as inferior based on their race.. Is disgusting.

Allahu alam.

 

[anatolian]

Quran is very clear on the race issue. Our differences within our races and languages are the signs of Allah (Rum: 22). The Prophet Aleyhisselam says neithet arab is superior to non-arab nor the reverse. If we base our religion on Quran and sahih hadith we musnt be racist on any level. On the other hand people may have personal preferences about marriage so if someone's pereference is a person from his/her race, community or even greater family, we cant blame them based solely on that. But such Hitler kind of fancy theories have no place in Islam. Did Allah make a mistake when creating Germanic races like this but other races like that? There is a wisdom behind it. In order to understand this wisdom one should have scientific, historical and more importantly Islamic knowledge.

 

[sister herb]

Racists always are thinking that it´s their own race which is far better than others, which is quite natural. It would to be unlogical to think that I myself have born to the worse race. But as in Islam, being racist is complicated and it goes very complicated if my race is something else than what was the origin of the Prophet... Yep, then I would to be in deep troubles with my racism.

:nervous:

 

[Karl]

@Karl

(1) In Islam, belief in qadr (destiny) is one of the six pillars of iman (faith). So, it may be that you, for example, absolutely forbid your child/children from miscegenation but that Allah has willed your child to marry a person of other ethnicity, nationality, and culture; so, despite your views, your act of forbidding your child is nothing but a puerile attempt at controlling destiny.

I had already acknowledged before that Allah has not explicitly forbidden miscegenation. He also however hasn't explicitly forbidden one to breed only within his own race either. Therefore race purity is technically HALAL. I alone am not "controlling" the destiny of my race. Anti-miscegenation is simply hard-wired into my race, which is why I simply don't even NEED to control my offspring and stop them miscegenating. They possess just as much an instinctive aversion to it as I do.

(2) More importantly, even if you believe that there's cultural Marxism that globalists somehow are endorsing as a means of making races inferior (which I find a nonsensical conspiracy theory), you'll have to understand that the plans of any person or persons are not anything that can be above Allah's Plan.

It is a well known fact that the Jews in almost complete control of modern day Western governments and all through the mainstream media they also control (including the BBC and AlJewzeera) are fanatically trying to genocide the races be means of miscegenation, and a minority of Jews have even admitted to this! Therefore I will ensure that none of my offspring miscegenate and give the Zionist and Marxist Jews the pleasure of seeing out our destruction. This will of course obviously infuriate them as it throws the spanner into the works of their diabolical plan for world conquest and the destruction of races. You are correct that Allah's plan cannot be changed. That's why if I were to intervene in the event that my offspring wanted to commit the disgusting act of miscegenation that I as the intervener am all part of Allah's plan. Remember Allah works in mysterious ways!

(3) There is no such thing as racial purity: I'm sorry that people still in this day and age believe in trying to achieve/maintain this fiction.

WRONG. There is always racial purity whenever there is even just one race that refuses to miscegenate. My race is at least one race that has staunchly kept itself pure. Our repulsion of miscegenation has been well known between our kind for thousands of years and it has been regarded as the worst crime imaginable. Information has been handed down generation through generation that there had been some very occasional intermixture in the past, BUT that was and intermixture strictly confined to a very similar Germanic race, not any alien or disparate race.

Finally, I'd also suggest that you Google Craig Cobb, a white supremacist, who had visions of trying to build an all-white town. However, on a reality television show, he was embarrassed when DNA test revealed which revealed he had 14% sub-Saharan African genes. Might I suggest that you do a DNA test of yourself to see to what degree you're a byproduct of being purely white?

I already have. I'm 100% Germanic and it's always going to stay that way. I'd rather my race go totally extinct than for it to miscegenate.

 

[Karl]

[MENTION=20848]Karl[/MENTION]

If a woman or man came to your daughter / son, to marry, and to you, their race was "inferior" but their character and deen was good, would you deny your offspring solely based on race?

Honestly, I don't like that mindset of yours. It is quite disgusting. You, nor I, can decide whom our offspring can marry based on race.

If your daughter wanted to marry an "inferior" race, would you deny her that? If a pious good person came, would you marry your daughter to him?

You know about Bilal r.a. ? he was not good looking, he did not come from a famous progeny, family. Infact, afaik, none knew his family. No wealth, no good looks. Skipping ahead, the Prophet :saws: searched for a spouse for bilal, and went to a house from (can't remember the name) and asked for their daughter, they were happy, until they heard that it was for Bilal r.a. They were distraught, but the daughter accepted, knowing full well who Bilal r.a. was.

Besides, Rizq, health, wealth, is all from Allah :swt: . And if you deny your offspring spouses that are righteous and good in deen, only because of their race, then that is jahiliyah.

Bilal was not good looking - yet he was one of the pious. So to judge people as inferior based on their race.. Is disgusting.

Allahu alam.

Yes, I would strictly forbid my son or daughter marrying into a different race solely based on their race, most particularly one that was small and puny and effeminate looking. You see, I am of a warrior race and I want my race to be able to carry through the big strong sturdy physical traits which has allowed my kind to be mighty warriors for thousands and thousands of years. Besides, most modern day Muslims outside of my race would not want to marry any of my daughters ANYWAY, because one thing I absolutely insist on is that none of my daughters have their first menstruation in MY house. I utterly insist that they are have it in their HUSBAND'S house which means I want them all married off by no later than about age 7 or 8. Since men of my race are quite happy to accept my prepubescent daughters into their house this is yet ANOTHER good reason why I should not give up my daughters to a husband of a foreign race.

I do however fully agree with you that a prospective spouse should have good character, but the thing is, there are more than enough prospective spouses WITHIN my own race who would perfectly fill that requirement without me having to look outside my race.

 

[Serinity]

Yes, I would strictly forbid my son or daughter marrying into a different race solely based on their race, most particularly one that was small and puny and effeminate looking. You see, I am of a warrior race and I want my race to be able to carry through the big strong sturdy physical traits which has allowed my kind to be mighty warriors for thousands and thousands of years. Besides, most modern day Muslims outside of my race would not want to marry any of my daughters ANYWAY, because one thing I absolutely insist on is that none of my daughters have their first menstruation in MY house. I utterly insist that they are have it in their HUSBAND'S house which means I want them all married off by no later than about age 7 or 8. Since men of my race are quite happy to accept my prepubescent daughters into their house this is yet ANOTHER good reason why I should not give up my daughters to a husband of a foreign race.

I do however fully agree with you that a prospective spouse should have good character, but the thing is, there are more than enough prospective spouses WITHIN my own race who would perfectly fill that requirement without me having to look outside my race.

What if later on your daughter/son regrets marrying that guy/woman? then what. i dont like your racism

 

[Karl]

What if later on your daughter/son regrets marrying that guy/woman? then what. i dont like your racism

I don't really see how regret of a marriage has much to do with the conversation. If my son/daughter later regretted a marriage then they would simply seek to divorce and then remarry.

Race purity is not even "racism" anyway. Racism is State imposed oppression of a different race. Even if I don't like to be around members of a particular race that is still not racism as such, it is merely discrimination -- a discrimination I am perfectly within my right to harbour.

 

[sister herb]

We don´t need the race purity - man can not even reproduce with another race. Here is only one race - human race. None of us is 100% of something - we all are mixed with other groups of people. But if it makes someone happier to glorify his or hers own genetic heritage - he can freely narrowing down his/hers own genealogy. Problems starts when this continues too long as hereditary diseases will increase as the genome becomes narrower.