IB Kitchen Club

[Simple_Person]

Cured meats have been around from the beginning of humanity guys. It is a way to preserve meat without having to use refrigeration. If you study some food anthropology, you'll see this in every culture. Not everything is shaytaan's fault or an imitation of the kuffar. Not everyone comes from middle eastern and asian backgrounds

Did you know sushi was made to preserve fish? It was nothing like it is now;people didn't even eat the rice lol. The original stuff doesn't taste as good as the modern rolls. I made some the other day just to try it out lol.The rice was actually fermented and vinegar was never used.

The same is true for all pickles, they were all fermented and vinegar was never used. This is a modern invention with zero health benefits.

Western, pork eating countries popularized bacon, but that doesn't mean other cultures didn't have a similar cut of meat preserved (like brisket for example, that would turn into "bacon" in you preserve it with salt and seasonings). That isn't an imitation, it is just a fact. Fatty cuts of meat that are preserved in salt will resemble what we know today as "bacon".

Different cultures use different seasonings as well, so what one person may be used to, another will think is horrid. We have Muslims from all over the globe Alhamdullilah, and surely somebody felt that beef "bacon" was appropriate to introduce.

Just a friendly reminder to keep learning new things every day and hold our opinions as sometimes they get in the way of new knowledge and closes us up to new experiences . If I had not opened up to new cuisines, I would have never known that ginger can be used in savory food and yogurt can be eaten with vegetables and spices... it just isn't something we do in my culture. My mom is still quite disgusted at the thought of it all...

No sister you are getting it wrong. Meat that has been put a lot of salt for preserving it like in old times indeed almost every culture has that. I asked people who were older than me and they said when needed they would get the meat wash it from as many salt as possible and what salt was left it was cooked with that salt.

However pig meat is done ON purpose like that. So if you sometimes see turkey beacon..i'm sorry but that is just plain imitation. It is either to get Muslims the extra mile to convince them to try it out and maybe not dislike beacon in the real future or for reverts who miss such a meat.

So drying meat even with a lot of salt like beef jerky and things like that are rather nothing of imitation rather something that occurred in every culture.

 

[Simple_Person]

Yes absolutely, alhemdulilah for that..it's crazy what hatred/jealousy makes people do.



;D here you go again you picky eater looool "massaging the taste buds"
It tastes perfect, especially with sugarless coffee because it's sweet and caramely in a way especially with certain dates. However, they also sprinkle powdered sugar on top sometimes, which I think is too overpowering with the sweetness.

btw i found a really good kolecha recipe and inshallah I'm gna make it sometime soon.



YES! those are exactly the ones subhanallah


That makes sense considering it eats EVERYTHING. PLus it doesn't sweat so all of those toxins remain in the body..ew. It even smells bad when it's cooked and when it's alive ;D I don't even wanna know what it smells like when it's dead lol.



I know right. Well I mean some people have never had bacon but they like the "halal bacon" just as theyd like other deli meats such as mortadella. So it's not like theyve had anything to compare it with. But because I have, I can't get close to it. I get what you mean though. Alhemdulilah for our deen.






Welcome welcome


aww..yeah u know I actually had lunch ladies TELL ME that ham is not from a pig when I'd say I couldn't eat ham. Like they genuinely DID not know that it comes from a pig!! It smelled so bad ughhh i think on those days i preferred to starve lol.




I've never tasted sushi, but I'm with you on that..

HOWEVERRRRR the carrots and raisins..omg...I'd have disowned you ;D I be addin extra. And we also add crispy onions. Best toppings on rice. Man Idk what I'd be eating with you both...like plain rice with a piece of chicken on the side. ;D

WHERE IS THE FUN IN THAT?! WHERE IS THE FLAVA? Whereee is the color loool

[MENTION=38090]noraina[/MENTION] she has disowned you as well as me. Don't worry you have become my favorite sister even more than these weird people here that like to eat raisins and onions on their beryani and such. Their tongue is fooling them to like such foods while we are aware what is going on.

Weird people who like weird combination of food..we better stay away from them as they might brainwash us in liking their taste of food. ;D

 

[noraina]

Just a friendly reminder to keep learning new things every day and hold our opinions as sometimes they get in the way of new knowledge and closes us up to new experiences . If I had not opened up to new cuisines, I would have never known that ginger can be used in savory food and yogurt can be eaten with vegetables and spices... it just isn't something we do in my culture. My mom is still quite disgusted at the thought of it all...

True, we should be open to other cultures and the good things in them - although it can be hard to get your tastebuds to cooperate ....and it is interesting because in my cuisine we *never* use ginger in a dessert, it is a savoury spice. Also, in my culture people are fond of putting masala all over fruit, I utterly can't understand why you would eat fruit and then choose to hide its delicate taste with spices.

I do love British and American puddings (whoever invented chocolate brownies was a genius) tho - but apart from that I am not too adventurous with my food. I rarely leave my comfort-zone.

In Kurdisch culture some put raisins in Biryani (I am sure everybody here knows what Biryani is XD ). That is just a no go. There are some who put onions in Biryani. Even my mother was surprised that some do that. That is just wasting a dilicious dish by the mafia family (onion and his family members).

I have never tasted the Biryani from Pakistan ..Afghanistan India era but I have heard is much more spicy than our Biryani spices.

I feel suddenly less strange not liking the mafia vegetable family knowing you also do not like it.

Well I am not about the texture of food rather the taste. Although just recently a friend of mine made his own hamburger version but forgot that I dislike al capone. He had also put Don himself in it. For the sake of not throwing away food as that is a blessing from Allah I forced myself to eat it. Sometimes a piece of onion would come on my tongue.I couldn't find the strength to bite on it being afraid of him spreading his posion on my taste buds...threw those away. XD. Life is hard especially if people one way or the other want to force you in eating certain types of foods.

You should definitely taste the biryani from South Asia, it is as you've said quite spicy and hot but delicious. I also like the biryani made in Arabic countries, Iran, Iraq ect - they're very delicately spiced, they taste more earthy.

Yes, the mafia vegetables. I am teased so much by my family for not eating onions. I will pick them all out and put them in a neat pile on the side of my plate....it's become my trademark.

HOWEVERRRRR the carrots and raisins..omg...I'd have disowned you I be addin extra. And we also add crispy onions. Best toppings on rice. Man Idk what I'd be eating with you both...like plain rice with a piece of chicken on the side.



WHERE IS THE FUN IN THAT?! WHERE IS THE FLAVA? Whereee is the color loool

I think my aunt was doubting any blood-relation with me when I broke the news to her But nooooooo carrots, raisins and onions I don't want at all on my rice. When I am plating up my food I will go to great lengths to make sure nothing *strange* snakes it way into my food.

Oh, and that picture of the chicken and rice is such an exaggeration....widen your horizons sister there are like 1 gazillion more spices in the world. And us people break convention, we have to find new ingredients to add to our food, it's quite revolutionary actually.

I feel you. I haven't had any of the modern preserved meats in over 7 years because of the nitrates and other additives. I know exactly t he flavor you are trying to describe and I do believe it comes from preservatives. I will let you know when I preserve my own and compare lol. Until then u_u I have to go without as I'm not willing to put garbage in my body lol.

There seems to be an abundance of artificial-tasting food these days, and not only in preserved meats. Who'd think there'd come a time when we struggle to find anything perfectly natural or organic. Is it not just easier to bring the food as it is from the earth than mixing in all of those additives and potions, lol. SubhanAllah.

 

[noraina]

@noraina she has disowned you as well as me. Don't worry you have become my favorite sister even more than these weird people here that like to eat raisins and onions on their beryani and such. Their tongue is fooling them to like such foods while we are aware what is going on.

Weird people who like weird combination of food..we better stay away from them as they might brainwash us in liking their taste of food. ;D

She hasn't really disowned me, she likes me too much

Khayr, this world would be a boring place if we were no different from each other. It is the weird and strange which makes life interesting, as long as that weird and strange isn't forced on me, lol.

Alhamdulillah for all of the variety in the world. You know in Pakistan, a popular drink is to mix equal parts of 7up with chilled milk - apparently a delicious remedy for stomach aches, colds, and dehydration.

I wonder if any of you have heard of Rooh Afza - that's another interesting drink, it is very popular in Ramadan too.

 

[Umm♥Layth]

However pig meat is done ON purpose like that. So if you sometimes see turkey beacon..i'm sorry but that is just plain imitation. It is either to get Muslims the extra mile to convince them to try it out and maybe not dislike beacon in the real future or for reverts who miss such a meat.

Actually, turkey bacon was created for health conscious people who don't want the fat but want the flavor, so yes an imitation of the real deal but not for the reasons you are citing. It was part of the "fat will kill you" movement. It caught on as a trend among Muslims and other religions with pork as a restriction and many Muslims from western countries were raised with these flavors so for them it was welcomed. It wasn't created for the purpose of leading Muslims astray via gastronomy.

What is wrong with introducing new foods to Muslims who may have never been exposed to foods outside of their culture? :hmm: That's a very narrow minded opinion to have and unfortunately many born Muslims feel that way. Would it help if we rename beef bacon "preserved beef slices that you can pan fry and they get crispy"? The disgust comes from using the word "bacon". Other than that, there is no validity to the negative feelings towards cured meat lol.

I guarantee you, most preserved meats taste the same. Each animal has a distinct flavor and that's where the meats differentiate in flavor, but the way the look and the way the cook is just about the same

Currently, I eat zero meat or animal products, so really, not sure why I feel compelled to discuss bacon. I guess I like to be sure there is no misinformation floating around. Perhaps I miss sprinkling little crunchy beef bits on my salad....Thank you for your time

 

[Umm♥Layth]

This here is TURKISH Pastirma, known as turkish bacon among westerners...

As you can see, it is eaten similarly as bacon too. Pastirma and eggs looks alot like bacon and eggs.

The Turkish actually introduced this specific cured meat (originally made from beef) to the world and the west knows it as pastrami and in many cases it is made from pork. You'll find a variation of this all over the place. So, we should think of the origin of bacon really. Who introduced it to who? Is it the kuffar trying to imitate others instead? Me thinks that's a big possibility.

Food history is just so awesome.

 

[Simple_Person]

Actually, turkey bacon was created for health conscious people who don't want the fat but want the flavor, so yes an imitation of the real deal but not for the reasons you are citing. It was part of the "fat will kill you" movement. It caught on as a trend among Muslims and other religions with pork as a restriction and many Muslims from western countries were raised with these flavors so for them it was welcomed. It wasn't created for the purpose of leading Muslims astray via gastronomy.

What is wrong with introducing new foods to Muslims who may have never been exposed to foods outside of their culture? :hmm: That's a very narrow minded opinion to have and unfortunately many born Muslims feel that way. Would it help if we rename beef bacon "preserved beef slices that you can pan fry and they get crispy"? The disgust comes from using the word "bacon". Other than that, there is no validity to the negative feelings towards cured meat lol.

I guarantee you, most preserved meats taste the same. Each animal has a distinct flavor and that's where the meats differentiate in flavor, but the way the look and the way the cook is just about the same

Currently, I eat zero meat or animal products, so really, not sure why I feel compelled to discuss bacon. I guess I like to be sure there is no misinformation floating around. Perhaps I miss sprinkling little crunchy beef bits on my salad....Thank you for your time

Besides "Turkey BACON", also "Halal BACON" or HALAL alcohol. Food doesn't need to look a like food that is haram..again we go to imitation. So "bacon", well there is also the EXACT same taste, but looking something completely different and ALSO not using a name that can refer to it right? Food is indeed food, but again..IMITATION. You see some kind of drink sold in bottles EXACTLY like champagne bottles...again imitation. There are SO MANY different shapes of bottles besides ones that look like alcohol..so WHY must one make it EXACTLY like that right?

That is my whole argument..DO NOT IMITATE!!..Make things clear as how the earth is clear from the sky. Now a days we know of something called "propaganda". If you repeat something as often as you can, it becomes normal. Even if you show something as often as you can it becomes normal. Look at homosexuality..it is talked FREQUENTLY and now they have normalized it. So AGAIN do NOT IMITATE!!!.

 

[Simple_Person]

This here is TURKISH Pastirma, known as turkish bacon among westerners...

As you can see, it is eaten similarly as bacon too. Pastirma and eggs looks alot like bacon and eggs.

The Turkish actually introduced this specific cured meat (originally made from beef) to the world and the west knows it as pastrami and in many cases it is made from pork. You'll find a variation of this all over the place. So, we should think of the origin of bacon really. Who introduced it to who? Is it the kuffar trying to imitate others instead? Me thinks that's a big possibility.

Food history is just so awesome.

Some habit can origin from Muslims, but if that habit is left and made it clear and used as normal thing amount non-Muslims..although the origin doesn't lie with them..just leave it.

Let me give you a example. Musical instruments are haram. "guitar" is NOT "guitar"..it is "chartar". It means "four strings" in farsi (Persian). The origin of the guitar does NOT lie in the west, however do not imitate them as this it self refers to something forbidden. Let them have it and let them enjoy it, as the enjoyment of this world indeed is short lived.

"Bacon and eggs" is a typical western invention based on pork meat especially. In Kurdish culture we have also minced meat with eggs. In case of pastrami if it is still used as often as possible and just a hijacking of dishes and words like "algebra" making it as if it is something of western creation, then this needs to be clarified. But whatever we know that existed in Muslim world and has ALWAYS existed, must be clarified with people again. Start by calling it pastrami, not "Bacon with eggs" . Imitation leads people astray, as they do NOT look at certain things as bad/haram anymore, rather as something that "i have had". So drinking some juices that looks like a bottle of champagne will associate on psychological level as ..bottle that shape is indication of "harmless".

 

[Umm♥Layth]

Some habit can origin from Muslims, but if that habit is left and made it clear and used as normal thing amount non-Muslims..although the origin doesn't lie with them..just leave it.

Let me give you a example. Musical instruments are haram. "guitar" is NOT "guitar"..it is "chartar". It means "four strings" in farsi (Persian). The origin of the guitar does NOT lie in the west, however do not imitate them as this it self refers to something forbidden. Let them have it and let them enjoy it, as the enjoyment of this world indeed is short lived.

"Bacon and eggs" is a typical western invention based on pork meat especially. In Kurdish culture we have also minced meat with eggs. In case of pastrami if it is still used as often as possible and just a hijacking of dishes and words like "algebra" making it as if it is something of western creation, then this needs to be clarified. But whatever we know that existed in Muslim world and has ALWAYS existed, must be clarified with people again. Start by calling it pastrami, not "Bacon with eggs" . Imitation leads people astray, as they do NOT look at certain things as bad/haram anymore, rather as something that "i have had". So drinking some juices that looks like a bottle of champagne will associate on psychological level as ..bottle that shape is indication of "harmless".

I really do appreciate your viewpoint bro, but I'll have do disagree on the imitation thing. I prefer for people to educate themselves and learn where things come from rather than imitate or not imitate. That is exactly the method we use when we learn about Islam and learn to appreciate it as we mature. We trace back the beginning and it gives us clarity on the why's and how's of our faith right?

Food and nutrition should be no different. I wholeheartedly believe that the ignorance among people when it comes to this subject has them very ill and in poor health overall as well as making faces at foods they shouldn't make faces at lol.

Let me give you a quick 101 of where the word bacon comes from:

[FONT=&quot]The word derives originally from the Old High German “bacho”, meaning “buttock”, which in turn derived from the Proto-Germanic “backoz”, meaning “back”. By the 14th century, it found its way into Old French as “bacun”, meaning “back meat”. And by the 16th century, it found its way into Middle English as “bacoun”, which referred to all cured pork, not just the back meat.[/FONT]

You see how the meaning changed so much over the centuries? It wasn't originally pork, it was the body part of the animal. Now, we ignorantly call just the strips of processed pork underbelly "bacon". That was never what it was to begin with. It would be a very difficult task to set a new trend to where everyone calls all meat parts by their proper name, so we're kind of in a pickle here aren't we? Is it worth the time to try and correct this? Or do we learn to accept that trends happen and words take on more meanings as time goes by?

Tough one. I dunno, but, I wouldn't tell my kids "Don't eat halal beef bacon because you are now imitating the kuffar", I would tell them, these are cured beef strips and this is why today they are known as "beef bacon", your call on what you'll call them, but don't hate. That being said, my children have never had this stuff because the signature "bacon" flavor comes from the nitrate process... which is cancerous. So meh.

To me, it just isn't comparable to non alcoholic beer and champagne ...meat has always been perfectly halal and the way we process meat has been passed down from the times of Adam (as). These methods can be applied to halal or haraam foods alike and the flavors would be different you know? Also the different ways of eating (like cured meats with eggs) have been passed down from different cultures, colonization and just a whole lot of different happenings throughout history.

The stance you are taking basically says, don't eat tacos because you'll be imitating the kuffar. One of the most popular taco dishes in Mexico is called "Tacos al pastor" and it is basically a gyro meat (passed down from the middle east obviously) but the gyro meat is all pork.

It is cooked pretty much the same but with different spices. This is a staple in Mexico. So, would eating beef (fajita!) tacos be imitating their haraam activities? No. The taco itself evolved with time and the choices of meat stuffing come from different places and borrowed from different cultures. So it can be made into something halal or haraam, the same way cured meats can.

I very much enjoyed this convo, thank you for entertaining it, not many people do because they just don't really care lol.

 

[Simple_Person]

I really do appreciate your viewpoint bro, but I'll have do disagree on the imitation thing. I prefer for people to educate themselves and learn where things come from rather than imitate or not imitate. That is exactly the method we use when we learn about Islam and learn to appreciate it as we mature. We trace back the beginning and it gives us clarity on the why's and how's of our faith right?

Food and nutrition should be no different. I wholeheartedly believe that the ignorance among people when it comes to this subject has them very ill and in poor health overall as well as making faces at foods they shouldn't make faces at lol.

Let me give you a quick 101 of where the word bacon comes from:



You see how the meaning changed so much over the centuries? It wasn't originally pork, it was the body part of the animal. Now, we ignorantly call just the strips of processed pork underbelly "bacon". That was never what it was to begin with. It would be a very difficult task to set a new trend to where everyone calls all meat parts by their proper name, so we're kind of in a pickle here aren't we? Is it worth the time to try and correct this? Or do we learn to accept that trends happen and words take on more meanings as time goes by?

Tough one. I dunno, but, I wouldn't tell my kids "Don't eat halal beef bacon because you are now imitating the kuffar", I would tell them, these are cured beef strips and this is why today they are known as "beef bacon", your call on what you'll call them, but don't hate. That being said, my children have never had this stuff because the signature "bacon" flavor comes from the nitrate process... which is cancerous. So meh.

To me, it just isn't comparable to non alcoholic beer and champagne ...meat has always been perfectly halal and the way we process meat has been passed down from the times of Adam (as). These methods can be applied to halal or haraam foods alike and the flavors would be different you know? Also the different ways of eating (like cured meats with eggs) have been passed down from different cultures, colonization and just a whole lot of different happenings throughout history.

The stance you are taking basically says, don't eat tacos because you'll be imitating the kuffar. One of the most popular taco dishes in Mexico is called "Tacos al pastor" and it is basically a gyro meat (passed down from the middle east obviously) but the gyro meat is all pork.

It is cooked pretty much the same but with different spices. This is a staple in Mexico. So, would eating beef (fajita!) tacos be imitating their haraam activities? No. The taco itself evolved with time and the choices of meat stuffing come from different places and borrowed from different cultures. So it can be made into something halal or haraam, the same way cured meats can.

I very much enjoyed this convo, thank you for entertaining it, not many people do because they just don't really care lol.

I very very very respectfully disagree. Based on what? To MY opinion is your view being very shallow (no offense). Why? Your approach is my approach, but we are NOT the average Ummah. You and me would not marry our father/mother, but again we are NOT the average Ummah, we compared to majority think and ponder about thinks (no pride/arrogance), it is rather THANKS TO ALLAH that we are like that. YET, Allah has drawn certain boundaries in Islam..the EXTREMES in Islam as to ..this is the boundaries that one must NOT overstep (for example marry your father/mother). For whom are those boundaries? I myself even if nothing was said about it, would not feel any of those feelings for such family member, yet there are some people who do have. The Ummah now a days is mostly sheep that follow what a imam says..does he speak the truth or did he made a mistake? People do not care, just like parrots they repeat what they have heard. My own brother told me about something in Islam, i never heard of it, so i said can you please show me where it is in the Qur'an and/or hadith as i have both of them on my phone. You know what his reaction was? "I am not a scholar" i don't know. This confused me sooo much as..first he brings it up, but when you want them to pinpoint to it so that you have hard proof and can investigate it, suddenly they seek a way out from themselves.

The average Muslim now a days knows the basics of Islam..as somebody must pray 5 times a days and fast and pay zak'aat, but how many you think know for example if you during your prayer did something wrong that you at the end preform a EXTRA prostration?

So the majority of people in general associate the word bacon with pork, although it has a TOTALLY different origin, still the psychological attachment is towards pork. Look at Christmas. Many atheist celebrate Christmas and have made it rather a family holiday of them getting together. The origin itself is in pagan celebrations, but people have given a TOTALLY different meaning to it. There are Christians that KNOW this, yet they just go a long with it as the meaning of today to them has a different approach and mentality.

As we are NOT able to change society and how they understand the word "bacon", then we have another alternative solution to use something else that doesn't refer to pork. Look at the Ka'bah, the origin we know is tawheed, later on it was made as a idol worshiping gathering place. This alhamdulillah however the society was changed and it was brought to it's origin of tawheed. So again the question, will we able through education to change this attachment? No we are not, because companies WILL KEEP ON USING the old approach of bacon being pork meat. So instead, just abstain using the shape as well as the name. Will we "lose" something over it? No we will not, let them have the "bacon" name what gives? We will not lose sleep over it. Alhamdulillah language has A LOT of names that can be used, so let them be. For sure this life is a test and the ones responsible for spreading this..will also be judged.

About gyro, this is NOT a widely known fact. If you asked me, i would NOT have known it is pork or even associate it with pok. So again, think just rationally and do not go in to extremes..or be hardheaded and keeping that path. It will rather bring harm and unnecessary complications if one keeps being hardheaded in it, then to bypass it and gives it a different name.

If you still do not see eye to eye after this post, i leave this discussion as that.

"Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “Whoever does not argue when he is in the wrong will have a home built for him on the edge of Paradise. Whoever avoids it when he in the right will have a home built for him in the middle of Paradise. And whoever improves his own character, a home will be built for him in the highest part of Paradise.” [Tirmidhi]

Source: http://dailyhadith.adaptivesolutionsinc.com/hadith/Avoiding-Argumentation.htm

 

[Umm♥Layth]

Well, this isn't an argument. It is a discussion and there is no right or wrong or ill feelings of any sort. I do believe you and I have the same ultimate goal, but we approach it in a different way and that is fine in Islam I don't believe my opinion is shallow, it actually comes from many years of study and it is a well formed opinion.

For the record, you may not have known about the pork gyro meat, but it is actually a widely known fact in latin america and that's a huge population. I was only using this example to illustrate a point though, so it definitely isn't meant to take an extreme approach to anything. I hope it served its purpose well

Now back to food talk! lol

 

[Cabdullahi]

What is a 'kitchen'?

 

[*charisma*]

I feel you. I haven't had any of the modern preserved meats in over 7 years because of the nitrates and other additives. I know exactly t he flavor you are trying to describe and I do believe it comes from preservatives. I will let you know when I preserve my own and compare lol. Until then u_u I have to go without as I'm not willing to put garbage in my body lol.

Same here, I haven't had it in quite a while. Alhemdulilah we have fridges these days ;D

@noraina she has disowned you as well as me. Don't worry you have become my favorite sister even more than these weird people here that like to eat raisins and onions on their beryani and such. Their tongue is fooling them to like such foods while we are aware what is going on.

Weird people who like weird combination of food..we better stay away from them as they might brainwash us in liking their taste of food.

ITS SOO GOOD THO.

If I ever had you two for dinner, don't worry I'll accommodate to your taste buds ;D

More raisins and onions for me

She hasn't really disowned me, she likes me too much

Khayr, this world would be a boring place if we were no different from each other. It is the weird and strange which makes life interesting, as long as that weird and strange isn't forced on me, lol.

Yes that is true sis. <3

Alhamdulillah for all of the variety in the world. You know in Pakistan, a popular drink is to mix equal parts of 7up with chilled milk - apparently a delicious remedy for stomach aches, colds, and dehydration.

Ummmmm......what???? and you add to that a "Delicious" remedy?? looool I just think of it as being something you'd mix for a dare ;D subhanallah

I wonder if any of you have heard of Rooh Afza - that's another interesting drink, it is very popular in Ramadan too.

I have the rose syrup! It's mixed with milk right? I've tried it before. It's ok. Though the syrup I use it for other things like in desserts.

 

[Insaanah]

and welcome back akhi.

What is a 'kitchen'?

The type of room from where, if I recall correctly, you once posted pics of your commendable roti making efforts.

 

[anatolian]

Turkish kitchen rulez ;D

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=t...4dvTAhVMLMAKHd0MCF8Q_AUIBygC&biw=1600&bih=794

 

[Simple_Person]

Turkish kitchen rulez ;D

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=t...4dvTAhVMLMAKHd0MCF8Q_AUIBygC&biw=1600&bih=794

That is the problem..no offense, but i have to wake you up with a lot of this so called "Turkish kitchen". To give you a simple example. The word "lahmachun", what does that mean?

 

[anatolian]

"Lahmacun" is an arabic name of two words "Lahma/meat" and "Majun/bread" and it means bread with meat or something like that if I am not mistaken and yes most probably it was first made by some Arabs living in the South Eastern Turkey. But just like culture, foods are derived from regions and people. It is still unique to Turkey so it is Turkish as in means of related to Turkey. It is not known outside of Turkey as far as I know

 

[Simple_Person]

"Lahmacun" is an arabic name of two words "Lahma/meat" and "Majun/bread" and it means bread with meat or something like that if I am not mistaken and yes most probably it was first made by some Arabs living in the South Eastern Turkey. But just like culture, foods are derived from regions and people. It is still unique to Turkey so it is Turkish as in means of related to Turkey. It is not known outside of Turkey as far as I know

That is as far as you know bUT it is also in other regions for sale. Anyways glad that you are aware of it as often I see Turks say every dish and every word and every cultural habit is by its origin from the Turks. Typical nationalistic blindness. That is why I commented but you are aware of many dishes not being Turkish by its origin just like many dishes not being Kurdish by its origin. Honesty is always needed.

 

[Umm♥Layth]

Tacos are definitely not Turkish. ;D

 

[*charisma*]

That is as far as you know bUT it is also in other regions for sale. Anyways glad that you are aware of it as often I see Turks say every dish and every word and every cultural habit is by its origin from the Turks. Typical nationalistic blindness. That is why I commented but you are aware of many dishes not being Turkish by its origin just like many dishes not being Kurdish by its origin. Honesty is always needed.

I don't have an issue with that honestly. Because you know sometimes a dish has originated somewhere else, but it was perfected for a region. We arabs do have our own "lahma bil 'ajeen" (but even flavors differ from country to country)..but lahmacun is totally unique to Turkey. The basics of all dishes are the same, but each country adds their influence (ingredients, cooking methods, atmosphere) to "own" it. Just eat and say alhemdulilah ;D who cares where it's from as long as it's halal and delicious.

Tacos are definitely not Turkish.

Tacos al pastor are