UK concert: Deaths after reported blast

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Not to take away from what happened but, the fact that kids are going to an Ariana Grande concert to begin with it pretty sad. I understand the reality of what kids are doing these days but, I know who she is and the types of songs she makes and I just can't imagine how any parent would let their kids go to such an event, let alone going unsupervised as many of them were.

Coincidentally, this all happens just as our lovely president is making his rounds in the middle east. Based on things we learned (and are still learning) through historical events, both recent and afar, I'm not the type of person to simply take things at face value especially "official stories" but, this really isn't the thread for that type of discussion. In either case, it's a sad situation for everyone involved. Having said that, I'm going to keep an even closer eye on what our lovely president is doing overseas because I imagine this attack will probably take the focus off what he's doing there (besides the typical site seeing and fake smiles for the camera).
 
Zeal said:
Who was the attacker?
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I think they haven't announced it yet, though they say the attacker has been identified, and another was arrested for being connected to it.
 
noraina said:
Assalamu alaykum,

I don't think this is the time to get into such political discussions. These days we are so on edge that we try to search for some way to blame those who are the victims of these injustices. Can't we just feel the same pain for all of humanity wherever they are? Injustice is injustice.

The lack of sympathy there is on both sides is disheartening.

What is happening in Iraq or Syria is heart-breaking, innocent children and civilians are killed - but that does not give *any* excuse for anyone fall to their level and do the same out of 'revenge'. We are meant to be examples in behaviour and conduct subhanAllah. We're meant to condemn all injustice, wherever it happens, even if no-one else does.

It hasn't been confirmed yet who is behind this so I'm trying to stay away from assumptions - but if it is a Muslim behind it, their actions have no basis in Islam..

What is so 'Islamic' or 'American' or 'British' or 'honourable' in killing innocent civilians and *especially* children, wherever it is in the world?

I have been to Manchester many, many times to enjoy Eid with family who live there...
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Sister i am with you, but people DO NOT THINK ..and ask questions.

Just look at Uk before, look at France, look at Germany..etc. every time only having this empathy..everybody is feeling sorry for the victims..BUT NOBODY IS THINKING!! ...How can i NOT become political? I mean if this was the FIRST of all of the bombings, i could indeed have more leaned towards the empathy side.

Look at some of the western people what savages they are and how they look at people who are fleeing from war. They see some rape cases, again i ask the question HOW COME these refugees commit such atrocities? (rape) Then we study history and see that dictators have been placed by the west and supported by the west and prevent the people of those countries to educate themselves and stay dumb. In other words it is the SAME blade that they thought by foreign policy to put dictators there and prevent education (educated stand up against injustice and start revolutions) they could manipulate and get cheap resources, now is stabbing them.

All these innocent victims..LET THEM STAND UP AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENTS. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for creation of such evil people. Action-->reaction. Let's do something to the cause of this evil. Everybody is pointing at Islam, go STUDY HISTORY of those countries and see what the west has done to those countries. There you will see that the SAME people you think are your leaders are to be blamed.

Where is Blair? Why isn't he in jail? We are pointing at such terrorist for killing innocent people, while they are a symptom, NOT the cause.

Stand up..revolt DO SOMETHING against your government ..AT LEAST with your tongue..i hear almost NOBODY say something. One is NOT able to do something by their hands, then at least speak out the truth.

How many of the people look at the people in the Middle East as if they are vermin to be exterminated. Sister, you think this will be the last bombing? You know it will not be. People of ISIS are the ones that have grown out of hatred because people in the west looks like they don't give a damn about what is happening in places far away from them, while their OWN government is doing the killing and oppression. So guys like ISIS they get so hateful to just go want to see some blood flowing.

Human lives in the west or in the east or the north or the south..have EQUAL value, however many people in the west now a days see themselves as more of a value, than others, while we are all equal in value of blood spilling..i cry for innocent person in the west, the east, the north or the south.

So this isn't just because i feel like it to be political. There is a reason why.
 
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Sister i am with you, but people DO NOT THINK ..and ask questions.

Just look at Uk before, look at France, look at Germany..etc. every time only having this empathy..everybody is feeling sorry for the victims..BUT NOBODY IS THINKING!! ...How can i NOT become political? I mean if this was the FIRST of all of the bombings, i could indeed have more leaned towards the empathy side.

Look at some of the western people what savages they are and how they look at people who are fleeing from war. They see some rape cases, again i ask the question HOW COME these refugees commit such atrocities? (rape) Then we study history and see that dictators have been placed by the west and supported by the west and prevent the people of those countries to educate themselves and stay dumb. In other words it is the SAME blade that they thought by foreign policy to put dictators there and prevent education (educated stand up against injustice and start revolutions) they could manipulate and get cheap resources, now is stabbing them.

All these innocent victims..LET THEM STAND UP AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENTS. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for creation of such evil people. Action-->reaction. Let's do something to the cause of this evil. Everybody is pointing at Islam, go STUDY HISTORY of those countries and see what the west has done to those countries. There you will see that the SAME people you think are your leaders are to be blamed.

Where is Blair? Why isn't he in jail? We are pointing at such terrorist for killing innocent people, while they are a symptom, NOT the cause.

Stand up..revolt DO SOMETHING against your government ..AT LEAST with your tongue..i hear almost NOBODY say something. One is NOT able to do something by their hands, then at least speak out the truth.

How many of the people look at the people in the Middle East as if they are vermin to be exterminated. Sister, you think this will be the last bombing? You know it will not be. People of ISIS are the ones that have grown out of hatred because people in the west looks like they don't give a damn about what is happening in places far away from them, while their OWN government is doing the killing and oppression. So guys like ISIS they get so hateful to just go want to see some blood flowing.

Human lives in the west or in the east or the north or the south..have EQUAL value, however many people in the west now a days see themselves as more of a value, than others, while we are all equal in value of blood spilling..i cry for innocent person in the west, the east, the north or the south.

So this isn't just because i feel like it to be political. There is a reason why.
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I feel as frustrated as anyone when I see the injustices being committed against our brothers and sisters.

However, my point was that as Muslims we shouldn't do the same. One life taken unjustly is one life too many. Just because others have double-standards, it doesn't mean we should as well. Anyone who is killed here in Europe is as innocent as someone killed in a war-torn nation in the Middle East. As I've said, as Muslims we should be examples in behaviour and conduct, in mercy and justice.

And people are speaking up for those who are oppressed. Maybe their voices aren't heard as strongly, but in the UK here I've seen many Muslims and non-Muslims speaking out for those suffering in Syria or Yemen, and working hard to help them. True, these efforts cannot keep up with the awful destruction there but something is being done.

We're told to control our anger because it can lead to destruction - as we're seeing right now. And it is those with least fault who suffer the most - those kids in Manchester or Syria never did anything to anyone.

As you said, violence begets violence. If someone is upset with how current affairs are, do something *positive* to change it. Killing innocent people will not make the world a better place or lessen the suffering of others. It'll only increase it.
 
noraina said:
I feel as frustrated as anyone when I see the injustices being committed against our brothers and sisters.

However, my point was that as Muslims we shouldn't do the same. One life taken unjustly is one life too many. Just because others have double-standards, it doesn't mean we should as well. Anyone who is killed here in Europe is as innocent as someone killed in a war-torn nation in the Middle East. As I've said, as Muslims we should be examples in behaviour and conduct, in mercy and justice.

And people are speaking up for those who are oppressed. Maybe their voices aren't heard as strongly, but in the UK here I've seen many Muslims and non-Muslims speaking out for those suffering in Syria or Yemen, and working hard to help them. True, these efforts cannot keep up with the awful destruction there but something is being done.

We're told to control our anger because it can lead to destruction - as we're seeing right now. And it is those with least fault who suffer the most - those kids in Manchester or Syria never did anything to anyone.

As you said, violence begets violence. If someone is upset with how current affairs are, do something *positive* to change it. Killing innocent people will not make the world a better place or lessen the suffering of others. It'll only increase it.
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Sister, crying doesn't solve ANYTHING in this current world. This crying ONLY helps if the people who are the ROOT cause of it, can get something out of it.


Malala Yousufi is being supported so much by those SAME warmongers and NOBODY is asking questions...

Put those tears on hold for a moment and lets clean up the root cause of it, because those innocent people that just died, there will be MANY more to come if NOTHING is said or done. Start throwing Blair and Bush in jail for life, so people who have felt injustice done to them also feel some justice is done.
 
sister herb said:
Ever heard the word conspiracy theory? Aliens! Aliens are behind every terrorist acts if you ask from me. Now back to topic, ok?
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That is the first step to following the herd sister.

I often think how come Rasullah(saws) has said that dajjal be the BIGGEST FITNA since Adam(as). We Muslims hear "biggest fitna" and see it as words, but nothing more. While these so called "conspiracy nut-jobs" do some times have some valid questions but we just throw EVERYTHING they say on a pile of things we should not pay any attention to it.

But yeah, for you for me and for everyone else, we will end up in our own grave and IF we will experience dajjal in our life time for sure things will be decided. But i guess that is in your eyes also a conspiracy theory one almost could say.
 
Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best regarding what happened/who was behind it.

However the repercussions of this will be felt by all.

Something like this only gives further ammunition. It serves no purpose, and is hardly something we condone.
 
sister herb said:
Ever heard the word conspiracy theory? Aliens! Aliens are behind every terrorist acts if you ask from me. Now back to topic, ok?
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I don't think we should joke about something like this sister.

 
Greetings and peace be with you fromelsewhere;

First, these terrorists are likely not from Afghanistan and have not suffered any losses in their families due to the US invasion.
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They could have connections with Iraq, tens of thousands died in the US led invasion, and about two million became refugees, many of them ending up in Syria. Now Syria has become destabilised.

Second, you should not take revenge, and especially not by killing innocent kids.
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A absolutely agree with you, but what was the motivation for the invasion of Afghanistan, it seems to boarder on revenge. I do not see the invasion as an act of seeking justice for the 9/11 victims.

You should seek justice instead. Grow a brain and some compassion for people who are coldly murdered due to "fanatics"
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My idea of justice is for all people of all faiths and no faith, we are all created by the same God.

who claim to be doing this in the name of God. (Personally, I like to call these people "satanists")
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I remember George Bush saying, God bless America, when he went to war. This goes against everything I believe. We are commanded to love all our neighbours as we love ourselves. We are commanded to love and pray for our enemies.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God,

Eric
 
Indefinable said:
Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows best regarding what happened/who was behind it.

However the repercussions of this will be felt by all.

Something like this only gives further ammunition. It serves no purpose, and is hardly something we condone.
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Exactly this ^.

Whoever is behind this, or any other attack, they only result in more harm and there is no way we can condone it.
 
:salam:

This only reignites the hatred. Let it be known - These terror attacks has no basis in Islam. Yet people still associate this with Islam, while Islam is the farthest from it.

This is like the one who fights fire with gasoline.. It won't work. I am also tired of telling people "Islam has nothing to do with it".

Now, we don't know if this is a Muslim or not. Islam has a lot to say about things like these. It utterly condemns it.

Allahu alam.
 
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What is sad is that some people believe these cowards whose kill civilians really represent some other victims. To me they are lunatics whose believe the lies of people whose only want power, not justice for the victims of wars in Iraq, Syria and other places. People whose fight for human rights and equality for all and justice are not those whose send these people whose carry a bomb to the middle of crowds.

The ideal situation to me would to be that we could put Bush, Blair and leaders of daesh to the same jail together. They can fight there together to the end of their life.
 
sister herb said:
Sorry but that wasn´t a joke. I disagree that some people want to see conspiracy theories behind of every corner.
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Disagree with something, there is nothing wrong with it, but you disagreeing is without real good argument, rather a "feeling". You think ISIS just being let lose was just a coincidence? If we look at the signs of the end times and ISIS..(and their black flags)..you see some very coincidence to it as there is a hadith about end times with black flags and Muslims should join them.

The problem with you is you do not take things serious and rather look at it from a sober perspective.

"And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners." Qur'an 8:30

You THINK this was back then and this aya is not necessary anymore? You THINK nobody is really plotting and planning against Muslims and Islam anymore?

Your path you are walking is a VERY dangerous path i must say, because you UNDERESTIMATE those people that are plotting and planning against Muslims, but not only Muslims, humanity at large.

You THINK there are no followers of iblies among humans? Allah has told us so many times in the Qur'an sheytan is a enemy to you.

Following a logical and rational way is rather to overestimate somebody, than to underestimate. Islamic way of life is OVERESTIMATE things, rather than underestimate things. Go ponder sister, you might be older than me, but that doesn't mean you know better than me on some aspects. Take this free warning as a gift, instead of blowing it away as a nonsense, because the day maybe could come that you will regret having done that.
 
I talked about those more or less common conspiracy theories. Here have been mentioned already 9/11 theory and one from the era of the cold war. I see just bunch of lunatics whose follow the false leaders whose lie to them that they are fighting for justice. Those leaders may use black flags but the color of flag doesn´t make them worthy to follow.

As well, some members here hadn´t any information who is behind of this cowardly act but conspiracy theories were ready. If you can´t blame aliens, blame Nato/Nasa/CIA/FBI... And this comes the danger:

looking for guilty part from those sweet theories, is the first step to give justification to the groups whose gives example to kind of attacks.

Nobody knows yet was there daesh behind of this but it´s easy to see that they have given the example and idea for attacking against civilians like this way.
 
Most people in the "west" do not view people from the Middle East as savages, nor do they believe Islam is some terrorist ideology. You need to stop listening to those who would tell you this in some misguided attempt to stoke your anger and anxiety.

People ARE standing up against their governments, and the endless wars and interventions. Ask yourself why they have not been successful?

1. Saudi Arabia wants to uphold its monarchy and is against the idea of an "Islamic Republic" (Iran, Syria, Libya, etc.). It has a political motivation to subvert these republics through sowing chaos in the region and getting western nations to help. The campaign against the Shia is part of this.
2. Saudi Arabia is financing and spreading Salafist/Wahhabist Islam around the world. Look at the "Red Mosque" (Lal Masjid) in Pakistan--the kids who study there are taught to despise "infidels" and other Muslims, and they learn nothing but select portions of the Quran. In interviews, these kids don't even know what the meaning of the passages are, they just memorize. 99% of all terrorists come from this "branch" of Islam.
3. Israel uses its power and influence to encourage western governments to act against their own interests and engage in military intervention in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia is happy to go along with some of this (the removal of Assad, bombing of Houthi rebels, etc.).

So this isn't as simple as western people standing up agains their own governments, when we have Muslim nations (and Israel) encouraging military strikes in the Middle-East.

Whenever the west seems to be retreating from the stage in the ME, we suddenly get these terrorist attacks, which then act as a justification for putting boots on the ground in places like Syria. The terrorists who carry out these attacks are the stooges of the House of Saud and the Israeli/neocon lobby.

You say westerners are acting like savages less than 24 hours after (apparently) some jihadist just blew up a bunch of innocent women and children. So the solution to savagery is to behave like even more of a savage?
 
I actually work near the area..

Amazing how social media works these days.

I got whatsapp messages, pictures and tweets just as the ambulances were going past.

Met two young concert goers not long after.

Totally unjustifiable act.

For those who make the similarity between terrorism victims and collateral damage in war zones..

No matter the political and religious point of view.

People should act according to the situation.

I dont even know what a warzone is..

Or how to act accordingly.


Anyway to follow up...

Nearby shopping mall evacuated today..suspicious package.

Several arrests linked to last night made in the city.

Nearby hospital in the city on lockdown last night.. after reports of an unrelated gunman.. denied by local council.
 
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