muslims in non muslim lands


8 years old but needs to be publicised..

this british born professor/scholar must be much more appreciated
 
no shariah law...only islamic guidelines
no force or repercussions ..freedom to practice or leave islam too.
freedom of lifestyle choice,gay etc
no shariah courts..only advisory role.

our focus should be self reformation and our own communities reformation..there is enough to do there,im sure youll agree
 
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

AHMED PATEL said:
no shariah law...only islamic guidelines
no force or repercussions ..freedom to practice or leave islam too.
freedom of lifestyle choice,gay etc
no shariah courts..only advisory role.

our focus should be self reformation and our own communities reformation..there is enough to do there,im sure youll agree
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The more I am reading your posts, the more I am seeing a modernist-progressive narrative emerging. Modernists take the view that religion must be 'reinterpreted' in light of societal norms and values. In doing so, they change the message of Islam and water it down to appease the Western audience. Hence in your other thread you mentioned 'many old fatwas have no relevance now', and here you are suggesting Shariah Law is to have no role today. Shariah is not simply a guideline we can dispense with, neither is Islam limited to self-reformation and introspection. The Shariah is the Deen of Islam covering all aspects of life, whether it is Prayer, Zakah, Fasting, Jihad, marriage, divorce, inheritance, penal law, transactions, Da'wah and so on. It is the divinely revealed religion, the only religion acceptable in the Sight of Allaah and the only success in this life and the Hereafter. A Muslim accepts Islam in its entirety and submits to every ruling. We do not try to outguess the religion and make it submit to us.

These ideas about accepting homosexuality or even advocating it, and considering apostasy as simply a freedom of choice are alien to Islam. Did not Allaah سبحانه وتعالى cause the city of the people of Lut to be turned upside down, raining upon it stones of baked clay? And yet being gay is being treated by some as merely a 'lifestyle choice'!

And what's with all these videos about how to live as a British Muslim, how to integrate, how to do this and that?! Some have been living as British Muslims their whole lives. They don't need to be taught how to live there. There are Muslims who are doctors, dentists, optometrists and pharmacists. There are Muslims who are solicitors and members of parliament. There are Muslims who are engineers, teachers, lecturers and professors. There are Muslims working in security and in the airports. Muslims are among the most generous groups in the UK. So, they don't need to be given lectures on how to integrate and contribute to society.

Also, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to socialise with non-Muslims if someone doesn't want to. If some Muslims prefer to stay in their own communities and are busy in the affairs of the Masjid, living in a 'cocoon' as you call it, that is their freedom. Just as it is the freedom of non-Muslims to stay in their own communities and those who don't wish to socialise with Muslims. Nobody should be forced to adopt a particular lifestyle, customs or values.

And lastly, I am fed up of all of these threads about the failure of the Muslim community to do this or to do that. Of course there are problems and failures. But there is good in the Muslims of today as well. Just as not every problem is due to a conspiracy theory or foreign policy, neither is every problem down to a failure of Muslims. We should be just as concerned about the plight of Muslims around the world as we are about ourselves. I totally disagree with the idea of not looking beyond our own community. We should have a balanced approach, not going to any extreme. The Ummah is one body and when any part of it is suffering, the whole body is restless. May Allaah سبحانه وتعالى guide us all and protect us, Aameen.
 
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As I have said previously discuss the videos with mufti amjad mohammed.and wifaqul ulema.
But watch them first.fully.
 
If I met this Molvi one day I would want to have a Mubaahalah with him. Wouldn't waste time with a little debate or discussion. Straight to a Mubaahalah. See if he'll accept that. I guarantee that he will not.

ثم نبتهل فنجعل لعنة الله على الكاذبين​
 
AHMED PATEL said:
As I have said previously discuss the videos with mufti amjad mohammed.and wifaqul ulema.
But watch them first.fully.
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The videos are around an hour long so it is difficult to go through them. But based on the points you have mentioned in this thread as well as previously, a worrying picture is coming to light. It seems there is a sympathy for organisations like Quilliam Foundation (which used to be government funded) who purport the same issues such as Shariah having no place in the 'modern' world, being 'inhumane', homosexuality not being a sin in Islam, remaining silent on international issues, etc. On your twitter link there was also support for failed government policies like Prevent, which basically victimise Muslims and promote Islamophobia. Needless to say that these have no credibility whatsoever.

Yesterday's Ramadhan reminder seems very apt for this thread:
Day 11 / Juzz 11:-

'And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the Meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Qur'an other than this or change it." Say, "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me..." [10:15]

Truth is Truth and it never changes for anyone. The arrogance of Mankind throughout time has been for them to demand that faith and religion be changed and tailored for them. But Allah intends for Man to change through the faith and religion that He sent Messengers with.

It's not for us to change and twist things to suit us; we are neither gods nor upholders of universal power. We are merely slaves following what has been revealed, to the best of our ability in true humility - till the Day the truth is showcased and all becomes apparent to us.

~ Fajr Literary​
 
Huzaifah ibn Adam said:
If I met this Molvi one day I would want to have a Mubaahalah with him. Wouldn't waste time with a little debate or discussion. Straight to a Mubaahalah. See if he'll accept that. I guarantee that he will not.

ثم نبتهل فنجعل لعنة الله على الكاذبين​
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have one with me!!!

Scimi
 
anatolian said:
Is it halal to do Mubaahalah with a Muslim?
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Yes. The Salaf used to do it for certain issues, as did many great `Ulamaa from the past. Sahaabah-e-Kiraam as well. Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn `Abbaas رضي الله عنهما invited to a Mubaahalah those who opposed his Fatwaa with regards to the Mas'alah of Zhihaar. Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood رضي الله عنه invited to a Mubaahalah those who opposed his Fatwaa with regards to the `Iddah of a woman whose husband has passed away. They used to say, "Whosoever wishes, we will have a Mubaahalah with him on such-and-such."

Imagine, these are issues you might consider to be "trivial", yet they were even willing to have a Mubaahalah over it. There are many examples. Once, Imaam ibn Hajr al-`Asqalaani رحمة الله عليه even had a Mubaahalah with another person with regards to ibn `Arabi. Imaam ibn Hajr made Takfeer of ibn `Arabi, and this person regarded ibn `Arabi as being a very great Wali of Allaah Ta`aalaa, so Imaam ibn Hajr actually called him to a Mubaahalah over this matter. Again, this was between Muslims.

Imaam ibn al-Qayyim رحمة الله عليه said:

" السُّنَّة فى مجادلة أهل الباطل إذا قامت عليهم حُجَّةُ اللهِ ولم يرجعوا ، بل أصرُّوا على العناد أن يدعوَهم إلى المباهلة ، وقد أمر اللهُ سبحانه بذلك رسولَه ، ولم يقل : إنَّ ذلك ليس لأُمتك مِن بعدك " انتهى من"زاد المعاد" 3 /643​

"The Sunnah when it comes to debating with the people of Baatil is that, after the Hujjah (evidence) is established against them, and yet they do not retract (their Baatil), but rather, they choose to persist upon it obstinately, then (the Sunnah) is to call them to a Mubaahalah, and Allaah Sub-haanahu wa Ta`aalaa had commanded His Rasool صلى الله عليه وسلم with this, and He did not say to him, "This is not for your Ummah who will come after you." [Zaad-ul-Ma`aad, 3/643]

Normally, I would only call for Mubaahalah with an Aalim (if he is on Baatil), because he knows the truth yet he chooses to propagate Baatil. I wouldn't call for Mubaahalah with a layman, because he doesn't know the truth; he just thinks he understands it, and so he can have a Mubaahalah and end up being destroyed. Because, he might think something is not part of Deen but actually it is, and he had simply never heard about it or learnt it.

That's why in this thread I mentioned that if I met that Molvi, I would ask for a Mubaahalah with him, because he has studied. He knows what is the reality, yet for Nafsaani reasons he chooses to propagate Kufr and Baatil. There is no excuse. He known that what he is saying is Baatil and in contradiction to the Qur'aan and Sunnah, yet he is deliberately misleading those who choose to follow him.
 
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I hope to be speaking with the author soon.

The need for contextualisation and thus an awareness of our challenges and strategic solutions is more important than ever.

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