Is allah great?

[Khanali12]

Allah is not so great if he threatens to throw people in hell 'forever' if you don't pray to him 5 times a day

I've heard the quote 'allah doesn't need you, but you need him' then why does he 'need' us to pray to him 5 times a day? and if not then you simply are thrown in hell?

Sounds pathetic of him if you ask me.

 

[Amor101]

Praying is just another act of worship or doing that what pleases Allah. Worship is everything we do and say. He throws you in Hell because you deserve it for not obeying Him. We are created to worship God for our own good. Sins are bad for us in this world and the hereafter. You pray for your own good.

You have two paths on this journey.

One is worshiping God and the other one is not worshiping him.
If you choose not to worship Him than you are causing harm to planet, yourself and thus you earn the displeasure of God(hell). Note Hell is gayb so we do not know how we will be alive and burn,etc..

Hopefully someone has a better answer.. You should first learn basics of Islam such as that Allah created us to worship Him and that worship is not just limited to rituals but to everything we do and say. Sins are bad for us.

P.S. Majority of scholars believe that we will not abide in Jehannam (hell) forever for not praying. We can just believe

 

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:bism: Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Allah is not so great if he threatens to throw people in hell 'forever' if you don't pray to him 5 times a day

I've heard the quote 'allah doesn't need you, but you need him' then why does he 'need' us to pray to him 5 times a day? and if not then you simply are thrown in hell?

Sounds pathetic of him if you ask me.

That's a great question. And so I want to take apart the different layers of this question and answer accordingly if Allah wills.

First, you seem to be under some misapprehension that Allah's "Greatness" is dependent on perception. It is not. For example, if you don't like George Washington, can you take away from the greatness of the title that he's endowed with which is the first president of United States? No, right.

Secondly, the literal translation of the Arabic words, "AllahuAkbar," is "God is Greater" and translators use "God is great" or "God is greatest" to denote or express this truth.

Thirdly, whatever you may imagine in the cosmos as having the attribute of "great," the phrase "AllahuAkbar" is a reminder that Allah is indeed Greater than that (thing).

Fourthly, please know that the decision is discretionary on the part of Allah as to what to do with the one who does not pray as the following authentic hadith (prophetic tradition) shows: "There are five prayers which Allah has prescribed on His servants. If anyone offers them, not losing any of them, and not treating them lightly, Allah guarantees that He will admit him to Paradise. If anyone does not offer them, Allah does not take any responsibility for such a person. He may either punish him or admit him to Paradise."

Fifthly, you assume that utilizing fear as a tool to motivate someone to act rightly is an incorrect or negative action. However, that is a subjective assumption and not based in any agreed upon objective truth. Examples: Schools use fear of a student potentially receiving a failing grade in classroom/report cards to motivate students generally to study. Policemen use the fear of potentially giving drivers a speeding ticket to ensure that drivers do not drive beyond the posted speed limits. Bosses use fear of potentially firing a person for incompetence to motivate staff persons to work competently. In all those cases, fear is used as a tool. However, that is only one aspect. In all those situations, schools, policemen, and bosses are using fear as a tool, yes. But on the opposite spectrum, schools, policemen, and bosses use rewards as well for those deserving. So, for example, schools do give A's or B's for students who do their work and do well on tests. Policemen also do have programs in place in which taking online or real-life driving classes enables any points given due to speeding tickets to be deleted. Bosses do give promotions or great references or bonuses to employees who do well. Similarly, Allah not only uses fear as a tool to motivate but also uses rewards' program such as alleviating worldly difficulties with praying the 5 daily prayers to motivate people into trying their best to fulfill their duties and also Allah erases any mistakes or sins with the words of istighfar ("forgive me Allah") should a person be unable to fulfill his/her duties as a Muslim.

Sixthly, in all of the above situations, what does fulfilling best efforts as a student, a driver, or an employee gain the individual? It gains in the case of a student the potential to go to a better college, in the case of a driver safeguards against accidents, and in the case of an employee enables rise on the office ladder. So, in all these situations, the school does not gain if the student is diligent because the school has many other students, policemen do not gain if that specific driver does not speed because there will always be some other driver who does speed, and the boss does not gain if the employee is diligent because the boss can in place hire another employee who will fulfill his best efforts towards the company. So, in all cases, the individual who does the best efforts gains. Similarly, the obligation of 5-times daily prayer is a spiritually beneficial vehicle for us as human beings towards which we should be sincere because it has the following benefits for us and none for Allah: 1) spiritual blessings, 2) gaining of divine forgiveness, 3) asking of anything as a wish directly in or after prayer which is guaranteed to be fulfilled, 4) enabling peace in the heart from divine remembrance, 5) enables better control specific to distraction, negligence, and evil from the nafs (ego), 6) removes laziness from the heart, 7) engenders humility and modesty, 8) gives the reminder to be grateful for all the worldly blessings, 9) purifies the soul, 10) is a medley of specific movement and exercise that imitates acts known to be beneficial from a scientific point of view.

As the last point, while Allah does need us to worship Him because Allah is Self-Sustaining and His Greatness is not dependent on our worship, Allah has commanded this worship because this physical and spiritual remembrance is the best connection to the hereafter through which we can attain closeness to Allah and experience the same Miraj in spiritual terms that Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) was allowed to experience in physical terms. So, in spiritual terms, your soul experiences something in the vein of a heavenly ascension even if your eyes are unable to see that's what's happening. And can connecting even worth a pentaquark to true Paradise whilst we're trapped in our earthly ephemeral bodies be discounted as being in vain?

Sincere Regards & Best Wishes, :statisfie

 

[Elcocaloca]

You are like a kid who is angry on his parents that they force him to go to school. If you got in hell it's only you the one who bring him self here. Prayer is just the way you realize your self in this world among other things as a God's creature. You have a free will. But the problem is not in prayer, the problem is that you disobey God and remember Satan what did he does? Same thing. And if you ask me, God is great, why? Because even we do things that He Forbid us, after we repent He forgive us (He knows best). But if you want to be in a high place you should prove that you deserve it, if you become vicious and dirty what place you want to occupy? C'mon. And please fear God don't write that rude things.

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Also remember Ibrahim (Abraham) peace be upon him, who obeyed God in everything He ordered him. Indeed God blessed him, how many thousand years ago did he live? Around 4000 years ago. Just think about it. And we still today praise him in our prayers and still there are millions people who give his name to their children. Just think about it, it is a miracle.

 

[Zafran]

salaam

Its up to Allah swt who goes to heaven or hell - good will be rewarded with good bad will be rewarded with bad. Prayer should be seen as a blessing - Its a way of showing gratefulness and developing Taqwa. Its also a reminder that one day the creator of the world is going to ask us about the trust he gave us and what we did with it.

Seeing it as a burden or a fear based obligation is missing the whole point of the salat.

 

[Amor101]

Its up to Allah swt who goes to heaven or hell -

There is shari text which tells us of some who will go to Hell

 

[happymuslim]

:bism: Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)


That's a great question. And so I want to take apart the different layers of this question and answer accordingly if Allah wills.

First, you seem to be under some misapprehension that Allah's "Greatness" is dependent on perception. It is not. For example, if you don't like George Washington, can you take away from the greatness of the title that he's endowed with which is the first president of United States? No, right.

Secondly, the literal translation of the Arabic words, "AllahuAkbar," is "God is Greater" and translators use "God is great" or "God is greatest" to denote or express this truth.

Thirdly, whatever you may imagine in the cosmos as having the attribute of "great," the phrase "AllahuAkbar" is a reminder that Allah is indeed Greater than that (thing).

Fourthly, please know that the decision is discretionary on the part of Allah as to what to do with the one who does not pray as the following authentic hadith (prophetic tradition) shows: "There are five prayers which Allah has prescribed on His servants. If anyone offers them, not losing any of them, and not treating them lightly, Allah guarantees that He will admit him to Paradise. If anyone does not offer them, Allah does not take any responsibility for such a person. He may either punish him or admit him to Paradise."

Fifthly, you assume that utilizing fear as a tool to motivate someone to act rightly is an incorrect or negative action. However, that is a subjective assumption and not based in any agreed upon objective truth. Examples: Schools use fear of a student potentially receiving a failing grade in classroom/report cards to motivate students generally to study. Policemen use the fear of potentially giving drivers a speeding ticket to ensure that drivers do not drive beyond the posted speed limits. Bosses use fear of potentially firing a person for incompetence to motivate staff persons to work competently. In all those cases, fear is used as a tool. However, that is only one aspect. In all those situations, schools, policemen, and bosses are using fear as a tool, yes. But on the opposite spectrum, schools, policemen, and bosses use rewards as well for those deserving. So, for example, schools do give A's or B's for students who do their work and do well on tests. Policemen also do have programs in place in which taking online or real-life driving classes enables any points given due to speeding tickets to be deleted. Bosses do give promotions or great references or bonuses to employees who do well. Similarly, Allah not only uses fear as a tool to motivate but also uses rewards' program such as alleviating worldly difficulties with praying the 5 daily prayers to motivate people into trying their best to fulfill their duties and also Allah erases any mistakes or sins with the words of istighfar ("forgive me Allah") should a person be unable to fulfill his/her duties as a Muslim.

Sixthly, in all of the above situations, what does fulfilling best efforts as a student, a driver, or an employee gain the individual? It gains in the case of a student the potential to go to a better college, in the case of a driver safeguards against accidents, and in the case of an employee enables rise on the office ladder. So, in all these situations, the school does not gain if the student is diligent because the school has many other students, policemen do not gain if that specific driver does not speed because there will always be some other driver who does speed, and the boss does not gain if the employee is diligent because the boss can in place hire another employee who will fulfill his best efforts towards the company. So, in all cases, the individual who does the best efforts gains. Similarly, the obligation of 5-times daily prayer is a spiritually beneficial vehicle for us as human beings towards which we should be sincere because it has the following benefits for us and none for Allah: 1) spiritual blessings, 2) gaining of divine forgiveness, 3) asking of anything as a wish directly in or after prayer which is guaranteed to be fulfilled, 4) enabling peace in the heart from divine remembrance, 5) enables better control specific to distraction, negligence, and evil from the nafs (ego), 6) removes laziness from the heart, 7) engenders humility and modesty, 8) gives the reminder to be grateful for all the worldly blessings, 9) purifies the soul, 10) is a medley of specific movement and exercise that imitates acts known to be beneficial from a scientific point of view.

As the last point, while Allah does need us to worship Him because Allah is Self-Sustaining and His Greatness is not dependent on our worship, Allah has commanded this worship because this physical and spiritual remembrance is the best connection to the hereafter through which we can attain closeness to Allah and experience the same Miraj in spiritual terms that Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) was allowed to experience in physical terms. So, in spiritual terms, your soul experiences something in the vein of a heavenly ascension even if your eyes are unable to see that's what's happening. And can connecting even worth a pentaquark to true Paradise whilst we're trapped in our earthly ephemeral bodies be discounted as being in vain?

Sincere Regards & Best Wishes, :statisfie

Great answer I found this very beneficial [emoji16] I just hope the person who started the thread can soak it in. [emoji17]

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Allah is not so great if he threatens to throw people in hell 'forever' if you don't pray to him 5 times a day

I've heard the quote 'allah doesn't need you, but you need him' then why does he 'need' us to pray to him 5 times a day? and if not then you simply are thrown in hell?

Sounds pathetic of him if you ask me.

This is typical Atheist thinking and approach. If you feel that "this and that" is ridiculous in the belief of God and religion then why do you feel the need to spend or "waste" your time and energy asking the question in the first place? Do you not have better things to do?

Then surely you have shown that you are not content with your current atheist beliefs hence why you are here asking these questions in the first place. You show some arrogance in your statements dismissing religious beliefs that you feel do not correlate with your own desires but at the same time cannot reconcile your atheist beliefs in your heart. This is why you are here. You are not happy or content.

We really want to help you but as I have already stated to you previously, in order for us to help you search for the truth, you need to be open to guidance and the truth.

 

[nocturnalman]

Allah is not so great if he threatens to throw people in hell 'forever' if you don't pray to him 5 times a day

I've heard the quote 'allah doesn't need you, but you need him' then why does he 'need' us to pray to him 5 times a day? and if not then you simply are thrown in hell?

Sounds pathetic of him if you ask me.

He also promised people who believe in him and go good to put them in Paradise forever.
Go to a random person who did not create you ,did not give you life ,did not give you ears ,eyes ,limbs etc ...and ask him if he would give you a million dollars for no reason.I bet he won't even give you 1000 dollar.

The reason some people ask such questions is because in reality they think that their existence is independent and it does not come to their minds that there was a point where they were non-existent.Where have you been 100 years ago ?

Have we ever wondered that God could have created us with a snake as a companion who would bite us 5 times a day ? Could the creator not have created us and afflicted us with horrible stomach pain 5 times a day ? Could he not have created us in a way so that we would just eat to diminish hunger ? Yes ,he could have ,but he is so generous he gave us even the experience of joy in eating.
Which favours of Allah are you denying ?
Did you know that he has power to do anything without anyone being able to question him ?

Realize that he could have created you and put you in hell straight away ,he is the creator he is able to do anything and no one can stop him.But he is so merciful and generous ,he put you on earth ,gave you siblings ,made you enjoy what you like ,makes you cry and after that makes you smiley again for what you have endured ,we even have a creator who is thankful ,imagine that ,the ONE who created you ,is thankful for the good things you do.How many humans deny the favours you do to them ?
If God would ask you to pray for what he gave you ,you would have to stand in prayer forever.Yet he simply asks you to remember him 5 times a day (which is what your souls needs ) and commands you to do good things and for that he even promises you a life after this life that will be forever better ,and no one will drive you ou of it.

We all should be thankful and say to ourselves Alhamdulillah ,that our Lord is merciful and generous.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Allah is not so great if he threatens to throw people in hell 'forever' if you don't pray to him 5 times a day

I've heard the quote 'allah doesn't need you, but you need him' then why does he 'need' us to pray to him 5 times a day? and if not then you simply are thrown in hell?

Sounds pathetic of him if you ask me.

I can't say I approve of the manner in which you ask your questions. Everyone's been reasonably patient with you so you need to tone down your language.

I won't warn you again.

 

[Khanali12]

I can't say I approve of the manner in which you ask your questions. Everyone's been reasonably patient with you so you need to tone down your language.

I won't warn you again.

I am not sure what you are referring to.

 

[happymuslim]

Allah is not so great if he threatens to throw people in hell 'forever' if you don't pray to him 5 times a day

I've heard the quote 'allah doesn't need you, but you need him' then why does he 'need' us to pray to him 5 times a day? and if not then you simply are thrown in hell?

Sounds pathetic of him if you ask me.

I think that most of your questions should be answered in this article inshallah [emoji18]

https:/islamstepbystep.wordpress.com/human-convenant-with-allah/

 

[STN]

:bism: Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Of course Allah is great. There are so many Kufars and enemies who use such foul language yet Allah's mercy knows no limits that they still function, get food and live happily on Allah's land disbelieving in Him. SubhanAllah, Allah is so merciful, just read this
Narrated Abu Huraira, the Prophet (saw) said, "The dunya is a prison for the believer and Paradise for the kafir (disbeliever)," [Sahih Muslim, vol.4, #7058]

Imam Ahmad narrated from Abu Hurayrah , that the Prophet said, “The dunya is a prison for the Believer and a garden of paradise for the Kafir.”

If this does not show Allah's endless mercy and greatness then i don't know what will to you. Look at the world around you today, the land of Kufars is prospering by Allah's mercy and grace despite their disbelieving. This world is paradise for the disbelievers because Allah will give them all they desire in this world. They will be compensated for their deeds to enjoy this world fully as they will get nothing in the Hereafter. Where as a believer may or may not be blessed with much in this world but one even on the lowest level of Paradise will be granted all his heart desires.

One of the arguments the Kufar make is Allah will throw people into hell so He must not be very loving (Nauzbillah). What they intentionally omit is their arrogance and the oppression they do against Allah by disbelieving in Him , they do not praise Allah or pray to Him but the oppression of all oppressions, they deny Allah's existence or associate lies about Him (Nauzbillah). But despite all of this, they still want heaven and think hell is unjust.

I ask you if you created something (since we're unable to do that, lets take an example of creating a software on computer) and that software didn't work like you intended, how angry will you be ? Cursing and hitting your computer. Now see, the Creator of this huge universe, the King of Kings, Allah (SWT) WHO has no shortage of His creation praising and glorifying Him every moment - WE ARE HIS creation and look at our arrogance and Kufr, look at our audacity that we are questioning with our stupid intelligence that this prayer is too much (Nauzbillah) YET look at Allah's mercy...there is no rain of fire upon us, the earth is not crushing us for our arrogance. Allah! we are living and breathing and eating His creation without praising Him and His creation have become so arrogant that they are questioning His mercy!.

Allah deserves prayers and praise every second of our life but no, Allah is so merciful that He only prescribed 5 times a day and the rest to do matters of the world and still He will give Jannah to us, still He will be pleased. If your software acted arrogantly and started questioning you even for a second, you will kill it immediately!.

The afterlife is a must for there are so many oppressors in this world, there has to be punishment for enemies of Islam, for the corrupt leaders of the world oppressing and stealing from poor, for killers and murderers and rapists, for victims and most importantly for people who did Kufr against Allah. It is logical, you are so ironic in your logic, if one body part of yours doesn't work like it should it makes you angry and you complain but you don't see it wrong when you disobey One Creator Allah (SWT) who is more worthy of our praise, of our remembrance than anything else in our life.

Of course people with weak intelligence can not understand greatness of Allah. Look at the sky and how its endless. Humans have only seen a fraction of the whole universe, we have NOT even observed the full universe and never will and Allah (SWT) is the Creator of this universe and everything. Imagine that for a second, how Almighty and Powerful and Great Allah (SWT) is. Now lets look at the smallness of things, the bacteria, the virus they are so small we can't see them yet they have fully functioning systems and defense mechanisms, go deeper inside them - atoms and quarks and even smaller things than that. Allah made them all, everything is made by Him. How is Allah not great?

Believe me brother, your arrogance will not hurt Allah but you will only hurt your soul. I think you have been watching too many of the Kufar's and atheists videos and they are nothing more than quoting Holy Quran out of context or selectively quoting Holy Quran or Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) life to serve their, NO, devil's agenda. Atheists are pretty stupid, you know ----? poop? crap - ---- can't be made by itself but these idiots think the whole universe came into existence all by itself.

If you research, you will find that Prophet Mohammad (SAWW) was nothing but a man of mercy for his Ummah and even non-Muslims and the Holy Quran is from Allah.

May Allah guide me and you to the right path! Ameen