100 years of humiliation

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JustTime said:
I can provide plenty of evidence, Wallahi
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You're already a kafir for making takfir, so why should I listen to you? ;) why should anyone! You are ridiculing a shaikh and you are an anonymous slandering troll on the web! Know your place!

https://islamqa.info/en/85102 <that's what happens when you make takfir, and you made takfir! The claim is returned to you! You are thus, unworthy of any opinion due to your takfiri nature!!!
 
Scimitar said:
You're already a kafir for making takfir, so why should I listen to you? ;) why should anyone! You are ridiculing a shaikh and you are an anonymous slandering troll on the web! Know your place!

https://islamqa.info/en/85102 <that's what happens when you make takfir, and you made takfir! The claim is returned to you! You are thus, unworthy of any opinion due to your takfiri nature!!!
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The fact your aren't even interested in evidence from the Quran and Sunnah proves that you have issues with Fiqh and Aqeedah which is why you listen to Kufar like Imran, and just because he is a "Sheikh" means nothing in light of the Quran and Sunnah.
 
Misbah-Abd said:
He has some strange ideas that contradict established beliefs of Ahlus Sunnah wa Jamaah, or just strange beliefs in general.
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The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is reported to have said, “Islam began as something strange and will return to [being] something strange just as [it was] in the beginning, so glad tidings to the strangers” - Sahih Muslim

Ibn Majah narrated that it was asked, “Who are the strangers?” The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) responded, “Those (few) who left their tribes (for Islam)” - Ibn Majah

“Live in this world as though you are a stranger or a wayfarer” - Sahih Bukhari
 
JustTime said:
The fact your aren't even interested in evidence from the Quran and Sunnah proves that you have issues with Fiqh and Aqeedah which is why you listen to Kufar like Imran, and just because he is a "Sheikh" means nothing in light of the Quran and Sunnah.
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I am interested in your evidence. What is your evidence?
 
JustTime said:
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is reported to have said, “Islam began as something strange and will return to [being] something strange just as [it was] in the beginning, so glad tidings to the strangers” - Sahih Muslim

Ibn Majah narrated that it was asked, “Who are the strangers?” The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) responded, “Those (few) who left their tribes (for Islam)” - Ibn Majah

“Live in this world as though you are a stranger or a wayfarer” - Sahih Bukhari
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That is not the strangeness that I was talking about. And the strangeness in the hadith speaks about those few who follow the Sunnah of Prophet s.a.a.w.
 
JustTime said:
The fact your aren't even interested in evidence from the Quran and Sunnah proves that you have issues with Fiqh and Aqeedah which is why you listen to Kufar like Imran, and just because he is a "Sheikh" means nothing in light of the Quran and Sunnah.
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Bro, why you label everyone as kafir who do you disagree with...?
 
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azc said:
Bro, why you label everyone as kafir who do you disagree with...?
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Yes, its this kind of thinking that holds us back from having fruitful discussions. I understand its a passionate issue but we have to stop with this automatic knee-jerk response denouncing those whom we disagree with.
 
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Salaam

anatolian said:
I too believe that we have been living the end times since WW1. That war was the practical collapse of the caliphate. We are just living it in advanced degree for the last a few decades. So, humalation only comes by your allowance of it. No one can humilate you unless you let them to do so. All those fitna ocured in the past and currently going on allowed the evils to humilate Muslims world wide.

I dislike Erdoğan and his political movement but one of the few things he did good was to put an end to the humilation of religious people by the secular elits here in Turkey. This is the main reason of their long term rule. Regardless of their bad habits religious people go on to vote them since they have realized that they have the same rights as seculars. But a deception is also going on in parralel. Now those elected "Muslims" are fooling people.

The above example applies to all Muslim lands I guess. Weakness allows the humilation and ignorance allows the deception. When Muslims defeat the weakness and ignorance then we can achieve salvation in this world.
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Wise words brother, wise words

Christian perspective, quite similar to what your saying.

 
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Scimitar said:
Assalaam alaikum bros and sisters.

Since the khilafat fell - we've been humiliated beyond the scope of imagination... I'm trying to understand the depth of this humiliation but i'm overwhelmed by it - I see the current generation of Muslims and think to myself "we don't need further humiliation, we're doing fine by our selves in that department."

If you are interested in this topic, then please contribute your thoughts on the ways we have been humiliated and oppressed in the world as Muslims over the past 100 years.

Suqoon: Every century Allah will send a champion to revive Islam - I believe we are in the last hour of time now - and to me that means the next reviver will be the Qaim - al Mahdi AS.

Your thoughts about the various manifestations of humiliation and oppression are welcome in this thread in sh'Allah. Please provide references and links to the data you source from thank you and JazakAllahu khair for reading.

Scimi
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Imo if you know your standing trial then you have to be on your best behaviour.

Its too late to be heedless of punishment because your ignorance can no longer save you.

The realisation comes to people at some point in life..

How we approach the opposition is very much a test of who we were.

And who the authority is with becomes very apparent.

I can't be as easily dismissive of today's generation as you are.

..to my own dismay, the rebuttle carries too much weight..

Its been years and I still hear it.

But if it's been years and they still hear you, then you have nothing to worry about.

..i just don't want to slip anymore.. so i won't intentionally.

And when they say, we have done everything today.

I know that i no longer can.
 
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I always wondered why the Ottomans were called the caliph, like who appointed them? was there a referendum?

The mughals of India ruled over a much larger muslim population! The british even used to taunt the ottomans that they rule over muslims than the caliph, so how is his title even justified?
 
rebelutionary said:
I always wondered why the Ottomans were called the caliph, like who appointed them? was there a referendum?

The mughals of India ruled over a much larger muslim population! The british even used to taunt the ottomans that they rule over muslims than the caliph, so how is his title even justified?
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Sultan Mehmed II claimed the Caliphate in 1453 on the basis of having conquered Constantinople, as prophesized in the Hadith. Later, after Sultan Selim I conquered Egypt, the last nominal (as in, hadn't actually ruled during the last two and a half centuries) Abbasid Caliph Al-Mutawakkil III handed over caliphal authority to him.

So yeah, by conquering a city and by capturing and shaking down a guy who had previously been recognized as caliph ;D
 
rebelutionary said:
I always wondered why the Ottomans were called the caliph, like who appointed them? was there a referendum?

The mughals of India ruled over a much larger muslim population! The british even used to taunt the ottomans that they rule over muslims than the caliph, so how is his title even justified?
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If you read the history of Islam you will see that both the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates took the title by force, by a coup or revolution. Ottomans were not the first ones who took it by force. Umayyads even killed the members of ahlul Bayt for it. Imam abu Hanifa organized a military coup against the Umayyads considering them illegitimate. The reason of the Ottomans can be justified with the same mentality. Manluks were so weak and arrogant in their last period. The Portugal navy bombarded Jeddah and thretened to invade Mekka and Medina. Ottomans were the most powerful Muslims back then and offered to help the Mamluks with an army but they rejected it out of arrogance. Then Selim I thought it is time to take the control and took the control of the holy land by force
 
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anatolian said:
If you read the history of Islam you will see that both the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates took the title by force, by a coup or revolution. Ottomans were not the first ones who took it by force. Umayyads even killed the members of ahlul Bayt for it. Imam abu Hanifa organized a military coup against the Umayyads considering them illegitimate. The reason of the Ottomans can be justified with the same mentality. Manluks were so weak and arrogant in their last period. The Portugal navy bombarded Jeddah and thretened to invade Mekka and Medina. Ottomans were the most powerful Muslims back then and offered to help the Mamluks with an army but they rejected it out of arrogance. Then Selim I thought it is time to take the control and took the control of the holy land by force
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Yes nobody's clean if were being honest about it, we live in this world not a utopia, that's for the next life, though we can always learn from the past and try and make the world a better place (eg. Muslims (whatever our differences) need to reduce fitna between ourselves and work together to create prosperous society, etc).

Ottoman empire lasted till the end, the Mughals defeated by the British way back.
 
Junon said:
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Yes nobody's clean if were being honest about it, we live in this world not a utopia, that's for the next life, though we can always learn from the past and try and make the world a better place (eg. Muslims (whatever our differences) need to reduce fitna between ourselves and work together to create prosperous society, etc).

Ottoman empire lasted till the end, the Mughals defeated by the British way back.
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Islam justifies using force sometimes. The questions are when, by whom and against whom.
 
By the way I need to tell I do not condone the murder of Ahlul Bayt by the Umayyads. I just gave it as an example of previous actions.
 
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Former Dean of Islamic Law at Qatar University Abd Al-Hamid Al-Ansari Speaks Out in Support of US Presence in the Middle East. A refreshing and extremely rare admission of reality from the middle east. An arab muslim who unlike the majority concedes that the pathetic state of arabs is down to their own failings and not the fault of anyone else. Among other things Al-Hamid Al-Ansari speaks of the fantasy world arabs seem to inhabit concerning such things as their imaginary victories over Israel and touches on the marginilisation of women in muslim societies.

 
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