Greatest Objections to Christianity?

[fromelsewhere]

Perhaps that wouldn't happen if not for the arrogance of certain other people who like to pontificate on the difference between the West and the Islamic world in recent scientific and technological achievement, and use it to draw all kinds of self-serving conclusions about Islam and Muslims.

Again and again... the blame game. :hiding:

 

[Futuwwa]

Again and again... the blame game. :hiding:

What blame game would that be? If you are tired of Muslims engaging in such pissing contests but have no issue with others doing it, even to the point of objecting to having it pointed out that others do it too, perhaps it is because you like to do it yourself? Butthurt over getting pissed back at?

 

[Scimitar]

yeah...... anyway,

In the Left Corner, Paul Williams representing Islam and in the Right Corner, Bob The Builder (Chris) representing Christianity - topic: Crucifiction & Resurrection, FULL LENGTH VIDEO plus FINAL WORD by Paul Williams!

Grab some pop corn,

 

[HakimPtsid]

There are many things I find disdain in Christianity but I don't find it to be completely as bad as Atheists think it is.

On the bad and less appealing side of Christianity there are many doctrines I don't agree with - like the original sin and demonizing of God-given pleasures, it is also what Nietzsche described as 'slave religion', which is the essence of Mainstream Christian Orthodoxy.
Compared to Islam, the man/God relation is not satisfactory in Christianity.

The scriptures themselves (The Bible) is a more complex issue. I am very fond of Judaism, so I do like the "Tanakh/Torah". When it comes to the "New Testament", it is a different issue for me. I find that through the lens of Judaism, the Gospels, the Acts and the book of Revelation are very interesting things to study - BUT I am thoroughly against the letters of the self-appointed Apostle Paul, I think he is a significant game-changer in the perversion of Allah's original message to the Israelites - even from a Non-Islamic point of view.

I don't agree with the doctrine of 'word made flesh' or "God-incarnate", it has no place in original Jewish teaching and is a complete sham.

I do feel more of a logical explanation in the so-called "Christ-consciousness", which isn't a "new agey" idea - it has roots in the early Gnostic view of Yeshua/Jesus/Isa. The idea that Jesus was spreading ancient mystery school (post-Egyptian) knowledge is a more saner explanation to all of his cryptic sayings (and allusions to the Pineal Gland etc).

But in the context of Islam, yes Jesus was only a prophet of Allah - a special one but by far not one of the most important.

Christianity does have many layers and it's sad that the most spread of them are one of self-suppression.

On the brighter side, I think much good has come out of Christian Esotericism/Occultism but it highlights more than anything else that Christianity is a broken system (compared to Judaism and Islam)

We've all got Esoteric/Mystical schools of thought in our religions but Christianity is the one that has been constantly cutting off it's own hands to spread new non-Biblical doctrines - hence why there are so many denominations.


On the trinity, the idea of a trinity in itself isn't an inherently bad conception of a supreme being or ultimate reality (like Allah) but the issue lies in the person of Jesus himself. The idea of a literal man being a literal part of the absolute God is just absurd. And the Torah verses used to try and legitimize this doctrine is not supported by their original Hebrew texts. It's a complex issue that has been created later on, it was non existent in the original Torah.

 

[JustTime]

Christianity is the religion of selfishness and is based on self-centered ideals. The difference between Islam and Christianity is that Islam teaches us to sacrifice for God while Christianity teaches God sacrifices for humanity on the outside both views have their pros and cons, it's clear this very fundamental and pivotal Christian concept breeds arrogance, selfishness and narcissism.

God doesn't need us and even Christians would acknowledge this, but we need God and this too would be accepted by Christians yet they reject what we the Muslims preach and that is total 100% submission to our creator with no intercession and pure Monotheism and belief in the One God the lord of the worlds, this was indeed the message of Abraham which the Christians claim to follow, as well as the Jews yet the deviate from the monotheism taught by their predecessors the Jews in exchange for the tales and lies of Paul whom even the disciples of Jesus mistrusted yet his extravagant lies and cult built around Jesus are the foundations for modern day Christianity.

This is aside the fact that Christianity was never a unified faith with a central orthodoxy like Islam with the establishment of the Khilafah after the Prophet's lifetime and that lasted generations, as well as our scholars who taught Fiqh and Aqeedah to maintain Islam and purity and Allah has promised to keep Islam pure the Quran of today is the same Quran from the time it was revealed.

Yet the bible is divided into multiple Gospels which have authenticities that are disputed based on what is "cannon" and what isn't with the only ones to verify it various individuals hundreds of years after Jesus's lifetime at councils.

Another flaw in the existence of Christianity and its utter lack of centralization is that even in the earliest days of the religion the teachings of Christianity varied from one teacher to the other because it was a religion forced into the shadows and remained as such for over 300 years meaning that over this coarse of time Christianity had anything but a unified theology that taught pure monotheism and incorporated local teachings and largely becoming syncretic with the paganism of Europe and this legacy continued for almost a thousand years to attract converts from across Europe.

Christianity in short is the most broken and unfulfilling religion on earth.

 

[azc]

http://www.quranicstudies.com/books/the-mystery-of-the-crucifixion/

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[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you JustTime;

Christianity is the religion of selfishness and is based on self-centered ideals.

If Christians truthfully followed the Gospels they should put God first, their neighbour second and their self last. this is the meaning behind the greatest commandments, we can do nothing greater than this. We should love and pray for our enemies too. The fear of God is the start of Wisdom.

Blessings;

Eric

 

[eesa the kiwi]

What is/are your greatest objection(s) to Christianity and why?

What school or branch of Islam do you consider yourself a part of?

For the first question, relatively detailed responses are preferable to one-sentence replies.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Ümit]

Greetings and peace be with you JustTime;



If Christians truthfully followed the Gospels they should put God first, their neighbour second and their self last. this is the meaning behind the greatest commandments, we can do nothing greater than this. We should love and pray for our enemies too. The fear of God is the start of Wisdom.

Blessings;

Eric

Love our enemies maybe not...because sometimes they only want to see us getting destroyed...Satan is a clear enemy to us to give you the worst example. we should never love satan.

Be merciful to them is maybe better if they mind their own business and are harmless of course.

 

[eesa the kiwi]

I think for me one of the biggest turnoffs is the complete disregard of jesus alayhis salams teachings

Even in today's bible which has been distorted and altered by man you can still see the command to follow the law and worship one God alone

Then you have the teachings of Paul which completely oppose what jesus alayhis salam said. Eat pork, dont pray bowing down. The law no longer applies One indivisible God is now taught as three. I would argue Christian's dont follow christianity they follow paulianity

Subhanallah use your intellect. If God sends to you a prophet you don't follow a man who claims he saw a dream then proceeds to change distort and delete the teachings of your prophet so the religion he taught is barely recognizable

 

[Abrahamic_seek]

I have studied this a lot and the biggest objection according to me is first that God is all powerful so his religion should be mighty and clear. Why then is it that their scriptures are contradictory and anonymous writings that historically are not the acctual sayings of Jesus. Is one supposed to through historical analysis prove that it might be that Jesus recurrection really happened? This is absurd. Historical analysis says that the verses in the Synoptics are completely contradictory to modern christianity, for example the gospels chistology and their view on Jewish law and tradition. They tell us that we shoudl interpret it as the church did. But the church's interpritation is not historical and the only historical church interpritation is the book of Acts. Acts speaks against modern christianity so they claim that we have to interpret this only reliable church interpretation as the church inteprets the intepritation. And Allah knows best.

 

[anatolian]

Allah can create a rectangular circle by the way. The logical impossibility of it exists in our human minds. The Divine Logic is not something we can comprehend.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

JustTime

Christianity is the religion of selfishness and is based on self-centered ideals.

This is a big generalization. Maybe its my luck but the ones Ive encountered are some of the most civilized people Ive ever met. Have you ever met one?

And judging by the problems we have we should be careful about casting stones.

Just to give an example.

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Dr Rowan Williams answers questions from the audience in Lincoln Cathedral, following a lecture entitled "Faith, Hope and Charity in Tomorrow's World"

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Ümit;

Love our enemies maybe not...because sometimes they only want to see us getting destroyed.

We call people enemies because they want to harm us in some way, maybe to love and pray for them is a way to win them over. I remember the story of the prophet; pbuh; that when he had his enemy at his mercy, he let him go.

The normal human reaction would be to slay your enemy when you have the chance; but profound and powerful things can happen when you pray for them. I am sure that everything the prophet pbuh; did, that he would have prayed about it first.

As you say, we should not love Satan.

Blessings,

Eric




Greetings and peace be with you Junon;

Salaam

Maybe its my luck but the ones Ive encountered are some of the most civilized people Ive ever met. Have you ever met one?

And judging by the problems we have we should be careful about casting stones.

Thanks for your kind words of encouragement, I feel blessed that I have met some wonderful Muslims too.

Blessings,

Eric

 

[Olivia1]

What is/are your greatest objection(s) to Christianity and why?

What school or branch of Islam do you consider yourself a part of?

For the first question, relatively detailed responses are preferable to one-sentence replies.

Thank you for your time.

I know this question was written a long time ago, but I thought I could give a different perspective that might be useful to future readers.

There are are so many different versions of Christianity, so it’s difficult to pinpoint a single major objection. I read the Bible cover to cover to see what it had to say, rather than being told what to believe by a pastor or rabbi, and I found much of it to be similar to the Quran. There were some differences, which I attribute to the Bible being changed over time.

If a person was reading the Bible and had never seen the Quran before, it would be easy to believe that it is divine (because some concepts in it really are divine). And anything that is partially from god would be preferable to complete manmade ideas like Hinduism or Atheism. For a person who who grew up in the West, Christianity would be the most obvious way to get close to God.

I do not object to Christianity because of anything inherently wrong with what Jesus had to say, but because I find Islam to be better. Islam has a complete way of life, an unchanged book, laws that are based on logic, and a slew of Hadith that help us to apply our faith into our lives. In other words, Christianity simply isn’t as complete as Islam is.

( any other objections, such as the trinity or the original sin,etc, are dependent on which sect of Christianity you are referring to and therefore won’t apply to all sects).

 

[CarefulThinker]

I would like to share my views on this having originally coming from a Christian/Catholic background.

Over the years I have found myself withdrawing from a lot of the mainstream Christianity because of attitudes I have seen for myself.

But one of the biggest issues I have concerning Christianity is this concept of "Trinity Worship" because it just does not make any sense. One can clearly see in The Bible there is reference to only ONE Creator. ONE Supreme Being. It clearly shows The Messiah did the will of The Creator, many times.

If anyone knows of the "Shield of the Trinity" (can read up on Wikipedia) it makes no sense.

Another problem I see with Christianity is this "KJV Onlyism" cult. I thought at one time the KJV was the standard to go by, but because I have a desire to learn "truth" my eyes were opened and realized there are issues with the KJV, considering I learnt there is text in the KJV that is not even in the oldest manuscripts to date.

 

[Silas]

I have similar issues with Christianity, and especially Catholicism.

I was raised Catholic, although my family wasn't particularly observant.

The Trinity never made sense to me, and still doesn't. It was something that was developed and codified long after the crucifixion. Likewise, the idea of Christianity as a universal religion intended for everyone was also a problem, since Jesus makes it pretty clear that he was coming to save the Jews.

But even worse was the Catholic tradition of putting Mary on equal footing with Jesus. One only has to go to a Catholic mass to see how prominent Mary is. It is cult-like.

Islam makes perfect sense to me. Christianity does not.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Silas,

Islam makes perfect sense to me

Religion is about challenging us to do something. In order for Islam to make perfect sense, you would need to embrace it and do something.

Blessings,
Eric

 

[eesa the kiwi]

I have similar issues with Christianity, and especially Catholicism.

I was raised Catholic, although my family wasn't particularly observant.

The Trinity never made sense to me, and still doesn't. It was something that was developed and codified long after the crucifixion. Likewise, the idea of Christianity as a universal religion intended for everyone was also a problem, since Jesus makes it pretty clear that he was coming to save the Jews.

But even worse was the Catholic tradition of putting Mary on equal footing with Jesus. One only has to go to a Catholic mass to see how prominent Mary is. It is cult-like.

Islam makes perfect sense to me. Christianity does not.

Have considered converting to Islam? Sounds like you have all the ingredients for being a Muslim inshaAllah

 

[Silas]

Have considered converting to Islam? Sounds like you have all the ingredients for being a Muslim inshaAllah

I am still studying the faith, so perhaps one day inshaAllah

My friends already tease me about being a "closet Muslim" lol