Do you hate modern Western culture?

[fschmidt]

This is a generic message that I plan to post to all forums where I am subscribed. My dominant passion in life is my hatred of modern Western culture which I consider to be pure evil. There is no point for me to participate in any forum where no one shares my view of modern Western culture. Therefore I am asking - Does anyone here hate modern Western culture? If not, I will leave this forum.

 

[xboxisdead]

This is a generic message that I plan to post to all forums where I am subscribed. My dominant passion in life is my hatred of modern Western culture which I consider to be pure evil. There is no point for me to participate in any forum where no one shares my view of modern Western culture. Therefore I am asking - Does anyone here hate modern Western culture? If not, I will leave this forum.

This vote system is to be honest....silly. Hating Western culture is no different than hating Eastern culture than hating Chinese culture, than hating Japanese culture, etc. The problem with this vote is you put culture in it. All cultures are defective and have bad issues on them and need improvement and in many cases have dark histories behind them and or have evil in them somewhere or another.

I would change the OP subject to something better.

"Do you believe all the evil in the world is because we are distancing ourselves from the path of Allah and following our whims and desires and following cultures instead of following Qura'an and Sunnah?"

The above there makes total sense. All social ills and issues and oppression are because we are distancing ourselves from the path of Allah. Not culture. If "culture" contradict with Islam then we don't follow the culture...period. Culture only represent our certain habit styles and what entertainments we watch and view, but how we dress and interact with people should be followed by the footsteps of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) ....culture SHOULD NOT represent or dictate the way of living up to and including politics. Culture should not be the one that says gender roles, or distribution of wealth, or how to treat people, or how to worship or who to worship, or how marriage works or how we treat our families our parents, etc.

The biggest cause of disaster in our wake is we have put too much importance in culture. And as you can see such thing can be replaced by other cultures...look at Saudi Arabia as a great example of it.

 

[happymuslim]

Yes, I think I’m with you on this one. I’ve grown up in the west and I’ve slowly began to despise their ways as time progressed.

 

[fschmidt]

Yes, I think I’m with you on this one. I’ve grown up in the west and I’ve slowly began to despise their ways as time progressed.

Thank you. So I will remain on this forum. I am very interested in finding ways to form moral communities that would be predominantly Muslim, and I will report what I find in this forum.

 

[urkahnkhan]

Hate is a strong word. I can only speak for myself as someone who grow up his entire life in the western world and in fact I know very little about my culture I would say I don't see any benefits in the western culture except disaster and loss.

I see it rather as an unfortunate life style and way of thinking. I pity these who are blinded by it because fully knowing what is on the otherside of life's journey end tunnel! It's not looking good for people who believe in the western way of life. I can't help but see them as people throwing themselves off a cliff and then landing inside a volcano. If you truly examine it inside and out than you will realize that this qoute summarize it all.. ''Jumping from a cliff above an active volcano''

Gays have more rights than decent people and I have also found out that as time passes by it goes more and more to the dogs. Example Kevin Hart just recently stepped down from his hosting gig and apologized for anti-gay tweets he made years ago. Thats what I call hitting the bottom of the barrel.

If you knew for a fact what is on the other end of life like I do than you would have fully agreed with me today and again I would say hate is a strong word but rather an unfortunate lifestyle and way of thinking but the people who are involved with this can't see and won't stop seeing it unless guidance reaches them.

Whomever Allah guides none can misguide and whomever Allah misguides none can guide

 

[xboxisdead]

Hate is a strong word. I can only speak for myself as someone who grow up his entire life in the western world and in fact I know very little about my culture I would say I don't see any benefits in the western culture except disaster and loss.

I see it rather as an unfortunate life style and way of thinking. I pity these who are blinded by it because full knowing what is on the otherside of life's journey end tunnel? it's not looking good for people who believe in the western way of life. I can't help but see them as people throwing themselves off a cliff and then landing inside a volcano. If you truly examine it inside and out than you will realize that this qoute summarize it all.. ''Jumping from a cliff above an active volcano''

Gays have more rights than decent people and I have also found out that as time passes by it goes more and more to the dogs. Example Kevin Hart just recently stepped down from his host gig and apologized for anti-gay tweets he made years ago. Thats what I call hitting the bottom of the barrel

Oh the West is more than appraising gays. It is about hating men and boys as well. The #metoo is morphing into a nice hideous monster. Women will be glorified for aborting baby boys, lesbianism will be the norm here and men are fighting like suffocation to get their rights as each breath they lose more and more of it. The concept of father rights and organization for fatherhood only exist in the Western world. I have never seen fathers right advocate group in any Muslim country in the world. That tells you something...doesn't it?

Soon having sex with little children in the Western world will be glorified and become legalized. You know how it started right? It started at the beginning....a group of people said..."You know...I don't like the idea that it says in the Qura'an that male inherit more than female...so I am going to start here by saying male and female inherit 50/50." <-- It started right here...this is it...this is the beginning of it all. That morphed into the Western world as you know it. Remember we are all children of Adam...Caucasian western people are not some people that came from an alien spaceship and are not human beings (i.e, the Romans and European and Greek people). We somehow have this misconception that they are not human beings and they are an alien species or an entire different species all together and the rest of the world are human beings who came from Adam or for some reason these Roman's and Greeks and European people sprouted from the soul of the Western land like bunch of trees and spread like weeds or something. Not really! Not at all! The origin of them always end up back son of Adam because we all come from Adam and we are all his children ...we simply had disagreement...moved on to different land and formed countries there and spread out as we speak. But we all started from a central point before spreading out and forming our own culture and civilization and and and....

Well...that main center point is the disagreement where everything started and that is the disbelieve in Allah, in his verses and in his prophets....and it had evolved to where we are. Observe the disbelieves how they speak about the Qura'an and about Allah and his prophets.......you really honestly believe from such evil source any good will come out of them???!!

Now I want you to watch any of our Arab leaders and take good look in what they say about rule of Allah! If one of them announces that inheritances is 50/50 instead of what is said in Qura'an and you like it and say yeah I want that and join it...you have left fold of Islam and you are now worshiping that man in TV instead of Allah. If people want to worship a man instead of Allah...Allah WILL DESTROY you in this world before the afterlife and throw you to eternal hellfire. Don't think for a second that he will not do it.

 

[fschmidt]

Hate is a strong word.

"Dislike" is good enough for me.

I pity these who are blinded by it because fully knowing what is on the otherside of life's journey end tunnel!

As a non-Muslim who doesn't know what happens after death, I would say that the harm done by modern culture to this life is bad enough to dislike it.

 

[anatolian]

... There is no point for me to participate in any forum where no one shares my view of modern Western culture...

These kind of discussion forums are exactly for this purpose. Even if no ones shares your views you debate with them to defend and rpove your point. Be the black sheep in the herd of all white sheep.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you fschmidt;

My dominant passion in life is my hatred of modern Western culture which I consider to be pure evil.

Like Oscar Wilde famously said, I can resist everything...............except temptation.

Sadly there is no way to remove temptation from any society, drugs, drink, casual sex, power, greed. Truthfully how can you remove them? The most you can hope to do is to fight your own demons, become the change you want to see. If you change yourself, then maybe you might influence a few others within your family or community.

In the spirit of praying for a just and compassionate world,

Eric

 

[Zafran]

salaam

western culture is like any other culture it has its good and bad bits. Now modernity (and post modernity) I have plenty of issues with which by the way doesn't just infect the west but all over the planet. One cannot deny some of the success of modernity so a nuanced critic would be more sensible.

I would also advice you to stay on this forum just to check out what people think who agree and disagree with you to get a more informative perspective.

 

[Abz2000]

cul·ture
/ˈkəlCHər/
noun
1.
the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively:
"20th century popular culture"
synonyms:
the arts, the humanities, intellectual achievement(s), intellectual activity, literature, ... more
2.
the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group:
"Caribbean culture"
synonyms:
civilization, society, way of life, lifestyle, customs, ... more
verb
1.
maintain (tissue cells, bacteria, etc.) in conditions suitable for growth.




cult
/kəlt/
noun
1.
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object:
"the cult of St. Olaf"






2
values

Principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life.
‘they internalize their parents' rules and values’





I believe that western "culture" - and by extention any culture which has been infected with trends set by hollywood and washington which are not of God -are corrupt and decadent (though i sometimes find myself prey to vices of the lower animate being). I believe that it is less hypocritical to see it as it is and to accept wrong as wrong and right as right
- rather than to attempt to portray smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol and other intoxicants, falling prey to unbridled animalistic social practices which have been limited and fine tuned by human communities with God's assistance and guidance, and to practice greedy corrupt capitalism over just morals -
(this is usually done to hide personal failings, wrongdoings, and weaknesses, due to personal insecuriies and a will to appear carefree instead of embarassed and on the guilty seat).

Instead of telling my children that i smoke because cigareettes are firm and round and because i'm free and independent and like to relax - i simply tell them that it's a bad and costly habit which i picked up as a youngster and which i plan to stop doing someday, and that they should never learn the habit due to it's addictive qualities and the fact that unlike non-smokers - smokers often get agitated when they don't smoke.

Usury is another element of western non-muslim culture which is destroying the economies and moral fabric of the people of the planet, and until this is admitted by thinkers - the problem of criminals setting the trends and running the cults via mass media and puppet leaderships and fake democracies will get worse until almost EVERYONE on the planet lives under tyranny and is complaining to and begging God for justice and assistance like the israelites under pharaoh and the downtrodden commoners and slaves under the
Makkan leadership.

Anyways - ultimately it's a learning process and it's better to sort things correctly in the brain instead of deceiving ourselves through flawed vindication.


The following lucky strikes adverts give a good indication as to the mind-flow of western culture and the method in which following forefathers and respected people are used to create acceptance of a given commodity/idea.

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Just? Right? Correct? Good?
How ro measure?

Before someone else gets it first!

A childish cult who believe their "dad in heaven" (who they wish never existed) left the confectionary and drugs cabinet open when he left.
Thing is He's not dad and the indulgent person's own physical and psychological health and social abilities will decline if the books aren't followed.
And judgement remains.

Ask h w bush if you like..... he knows now.

https://www.newsweek.com/george-w-bush-chased-pussy-drank-whiskey-708653

George H. W. Bush is a lead character on the cast of Lil' Bush, he plays the father of George W. Bush and teaches him to to be a "Decider" and blame his problems on Donald Rumsfeld and Usama bin Ladin, yet he fails to teach him diplomacy and the importance of peace and hope.

 

[emem.masorong]

I do not hate them. In fact, I am thankful in some of it's aspects. I love them. You know love... Love is... From Allah.

 

[xboxisdead]

I do not hate them. In fact, I am thankful in some of it's aspects. I love them. You know love... Love is... From Allah.

You have me thinking....what part of the Western culture you love? You said you love them, right? Which part of it you love?

 

[DanEdge]

Greetings,

Western culture has: produced the Backstreet Boys and Beethoven, Billy Graham and Martin Luther, institutionalized and abolished slavery, led to the birth of Nazism and it's utter destruction, communism and individualism, created flat earth theory and quantum mechanics, stick figure theatre and Les Miserable. Hate us, love us, as you like. Or use your free-thinking mind to evaluate all these contradictory elements, embrace those you profit from, reject those you despise. Western culure is so broad, any perception of it seems to say more about the perceiver than the object. It's a wild, insteresting, terrifying, wonderful world out there.

As for me -- a product of the West -- I love it. I'm one of Anatolian's black sheep on this forum. I embrace no particular religion, have no problem with gays (they're family, after all), love to sing and rap in public, hate Republicans and Democrats equally, and I'm probably the best freestyle hip hip dancer you know.

Dan Edge

 

[fschmidt]

Western culture has: produced ...

I asked about modern Western culture, not traditional Western culture. I love traditional Western culture but I hate modern Western culture. Western culture started to decay around 1920 and became more bad than good around 2005. By now it is pure evil and is incapable of producing anything good.

 

[M.I.A.]

i cant really hate it,

so many cultures around the world are flawed.

i can understand that it has little bearing on people who are unwilling to follow it, western culture at present is full of personal choice for those that are able to make personal choices.. and that cant be said about all nations.


i personally changed simply due to the fear of god.. i genuinely believe that being steadfast and morally upright... limits the amount of damage other people can do to you.. in their unawareness.

and i have encountered that in people regardless of the religion or the race they belong too.


(And thats when you should say... but allah swt is the one who punishes or forgives.. not people! .....yes quite.)




...i dont expect you to do the same, because thats not who you are.


really i would say that "we" deceive ourselves.. giving importance to the influences of media and pop culture, when in reality the future is written in our own actions.

you hate something which is non existent..

only those that follow its calling actualize it.


in reality you cant fight against it ..as fighting is portrayed to you.

you cant convince people to change based on what you say is a better way.





but you have an understanding of how things have changed over the decades..

and they are constantly changing.




hate in itself is not a bad word, but responding to the things you hate is in essence the deciding factor of what goes on tomorrow..

and teaching people not to slip in a world of punishment is more important than hating a world of punishment.



...at present.


but genuinely i have no idea what you put forward for tomorrow.


ironically the religion was not sent to a perfect people.

i have no idea what made them change.




maybe it is all just violence and bloodshed.

maybe its just my conscience that brings me down for days when i do wrong or my wandering mind that perceives your intellect in your words.. i was totally unaware of it for a long time.


..everything has a habit of taking on a life of its own. words, pictures, actions... whatever you choose.






....i keep wanting to put a star wars quote in! plz stap!

 

[xboxisdead]

Greetings,

Western culture has: produced the Backstreet Boys and Beethoven, Billy Graham and Martin Luther, institutionalized and abolished slavery, led to the birth of Nazism and it's utter destruction, communism and individualism, created flat earth theory and quantum mechanics, stick figure theatre and Les Miserable. Hate us, love us, as you like. Or use your free-thinking mind to evaluate all these contradictory elements, embrace those you profit from, reject those you despise. Western culure is so broad, any perception of it seems to say more about the perceiver than the object. It's a wild, insteresting, terrifying, wonderful world out there.

As for me -- a product of the West -- I love it. I'm one of Anatolian's black sheep on this forum. I embrace no particular religion, have no problem with gays (they're family, after all), love to sing and rap in public, hate Republicans and Democrats equally, and I'm probably the best freestyle hip hip dancer you know.

Dan Edge

Well...only this world is your paradise...so you better find a place in this world that you love and make you happy and content. If it is the Western world then so be it.

 

[CarefulThinker]

I have noticed that the moral values of society, in reference to western society, is going downhill, at a exponential rate. Moral values is in my opinion the foundation of any society, once those moral values deteriorate, the foundation crumbles. And the modern western society values of today are just disgusting. I don't know if this makes any sense, but it feels as if the world is literally being flipped upside down. We see it today, bad is called good, and good is bad. Any people that want to have good morals are considered to be intolerant. Today it is all about tolerance.

 

[xboxisdead]

I have noticed that the moral values of society, in reference to western society, is going downhill, at a exponential rate. Moral values is in my opinion the foundation of any society, once those moral values deteriorate, the foundation crumbles. And the modern western society values of today are just disgusting. I don't know if this makes any sense, but it feels as if the world is literally being flipped upside down. We see it today, bad is called good, and good is bad. Any people that want to have good morals are considered to be intolerant. Today it is all about tolerance.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why. The mere fact you are baffled and shocked and don't know what sort of unnatural energy that is doing to this make me for full confidence be set in my believe that Western world is going down to destruction and there is zero hope for it to be ever fixed.

I am going to put it here in quotation to seal it on stone and not paper: "The Western/culture world have zero chance of fixing itself. Zero!"

So I am not losing sleep. I don't care what happens to the Western culture. It could go inflames for all I care. But if you want me to help little bit in why it is in that stage....I will be nice....."1) The Western world is a world that have distance itself from the path of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa). It is a worth of Atheism, agnostic, Christianity, Jewish, etc. Anything but Islam!" As such you people worship man instead of worshiping Allah. They worship the imperfect instead of worshiping the perfect and they obey the laws of the imperfect to the perfect. They worship a creation with a gender..instead of the creator who have no gender who is not male or female. They worship the creation who have a beginning and an end instead of the creator who have no beginning or an end. They worship a creation who begot a son instead of the creator who DOES NOT begot a son or a daughter. They worship a creation who have need to be confined in a space and need oxygen and gravity and must be confined in an atmospheric planet, instead of a creator who is not confined in a space, who does not need oxygen or an environment. So because of that alone and sufficient is that reason is why the Western world and all other non-Muslim world will be destroyed and will fail.

Now if you want another reason and to be honest there should be no other reason because everything else connects back to the main reason ...but I will say it still....you remove men, destroy men, emasculate men, remove fatherhood from families and you have what you have. No more morals. It is a wild forest. I am going to give hint to all non-Muslim people out there who hate Islam or Muslims...you want to destroy any Muslim country or country...attack the young youth men and boys. Destroy them with sex, drugs and alcohol and remove fathers from family and you have destroyed the country and wiped it clean and you did not even need to throw a bomb on a country. The non-Muslim people know this already and they are targeting the Muslim country.

 

[fschmidt]

We see it today, bad is called good, and good is bad.

Isaiah 5:20

Any people that want to have good morals are considered to be intolerant. Today it is all about tolerance.

Today it is all about lies and what is called tolerance is actually intolerance. Western culture is much more intolerant now than in the past, but it is intolerant of good and tolerant of bad/evil. If you criticize evil, you are guilty of "hate speech". If you address a man who pretends to be woman as "he" then you are guilty of mis-pronouning. If you refuse to bake wedding cakes for marriages that you don't consider valid, you will be punished. And if you post anything truthful to a forum of modern culture, you will be banned.