Would you test someone if you already knew the results?

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One thing that confuses me about Allah/God is the whole “life’s a test” thing.
If something bad happens (war/natural disasters…etc) many Muslims say that is a test from God. What’s the point if he already knows our future, from the moment where born God must know whether were going to become a Muslim or not. So why not skip the whole “life test” and place us in heaven or hell, once were conceived?

Why does Allah test us if he already knows whether we pass or fail?
 
Allah knows whether you will pass or not because he always knows what will happen. However, you do have control over your actions.
 
nurofislam said:
Allah knows whether you will pass or not because he always knows what will happen. However, you do have control over your actions.
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Well if he knows why the test? And who does have control over our actions?
 
j4763 said:
Well if he knows why the test? And who does have control over our actions?
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salam.
this time now bro it is an test for us all if we die and face towards our lord we turn to him to strength our imam you worship him so he can guide you to the right path and help you so all this time it is a test for us cause the angels write it down the bad one and the good one they write down everything you doand then on the day of judgement you will be questioned. so this is an test on earth for us, bro you have control for your actions cause what you do is you who are doing it but god is helping you only if you believe in him and his messengers.
w.salam
 
peace.

It's unfair to throw someone in hell or heaven if they don't deserve it. On the day of judgement we will remember what we did here on earth and we will understand if what we did deserves punishment or reward.

If we were thrown in hell without experiencing anything that deserves this punishment, we will consider it unfair. But if we do know the reasons why we are being punished, we know we deserve them.

The same applies to heaven. The rewards will taste much better because we understand we worked for them.
 
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i was reading somewhere about why we get punished, if you get what i mean, with regards to all the free will thing and all..but then the question was answered with a question..why do we get rewarded?...
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Al-Mu'min said:
It's unfair to throw someone in hell or heaven if they don't deserve it. On the day of judgement we will remember what we did here on earth and we will understand if what we did deserves punishment or reward.

If we were thrown in hell without experiencing anything that deserves this punishment, we will consider it unfair. But if we do know the reasons why we are being punished, we know we deserve them.

The same applies to heaven. The rewards will taste much better because we understand we worked for them.
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How will we know we deserve our punishments or our rewards? Before the Earth was formed, God decided whether I, for instance, would go to Heaven or Hell. Well before I was born that decision had been made. So what can I do either way to change that? Suppose I have a choice before me: God knows what I will do. Can I change that, can I make a different decision other than the one that God has already decided that I will make?
 
Hijabi_19 said:
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i was reading somewhere about why we get punished, if you get what i mean, with regards to all the free will thing and all..but then the question was answered with a question..why do we get rewarded?...
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for believing in Allah and being patient and submitting to Allah
 
j4763 said:
One thing that confuses me about Allah/God is the whole “life’s a test” thing.
If something bad happens (war/natural disasters…etc) many Muslims say that is a test from God. What’s the point if he already knows our future, from the moment where born God must know whether were going to become a Muslim or not. So why not skip the whole “life test” and place us in heaven or hell, once were conceived?

Why does Allah test us if he already knows whether we pass or fail?
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That's interesting.
My atheist husband says the same thing: "Why should I worry about choosing a religion - if God already knows whether I will be a believer or not?"
To be honest, I never have an answer to that. :rollseyes

Peace.
 
nurofislam said:
for believing in Allah and being patient and submitting to Allah
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hehe..i didn't mean that i didnt know the answer..i'm jus saying that the question answered the first question nicely..:)
 
salam
look at it this way....ill give an example we can all relate to.

i got to school and my teacher tells me "I will not give you the exam because I know that you will not do well on it, and therefore you will not pass this course and are doomed to take it again."

does that sound fair???
 
no worries..though i must say i loved the way you gave the example about exams..:D
 
j4763 said:
Why does Allah test us if he already knows whether we pass or fail?
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For numerous reasons. First of all there is the issue of justice, and the fact that justice must be witnessed and appreciated. Secondly, there is the fact that our striving towards God allows us to better appreciate His attributes and come closer to Him, and we would not have had that opportunity if we were placed directly in paradise.

Something I wrote before on free-will and predestination:
Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Hi
Thanks for your post. Your argument started off with God's predestination and then you moved to the famous atheist argument known as the 'problem' of evil, and then you switched back to the argument against pre-destination.

Let's start with predestination. Yes, God knows everything that will happen. But you neglect the fact that God transcends time and space; He is above and beyond our universe. So He is not restricted by time into past, present and future as we are. He sees all events past, present and future.

Do you agree that our universe has a definite future? i.e. that there is a definite course that our universe is going to take, and that every individual in our universe has a definite future. Predestination or no predestination everyone will agree with the fact that there is a definite future. If person X can only do either A or B, there is a definite course he will take, we just don't know whether it is A or B. But we know that he cannot do both. He has one specific choice which he will choose.

So if we agree that there is a definite course which the universe will follow, whether people have free-will or not, then it makes no difference whether we also state that there is a divine entity beyond this universe who knows what that definite course is that we will take. If it did not contradict our free-will to say that there is a definite course, then neither does it contradict it to suggest that there is someone beyond time and space who knows what that definite course is.

If we took all the future happenings in person X's life and made them into a movie which person Y watched, that has no impact on person X's free-will. X still has the choice, but Y simply knows which ones he will choose.

Now we come to your version of the problem of evil when you ask, "Why did God create such a person knowing they would be evil?" This question is no different from the question of why God created evil. We have discussed this question in great detail in this thread, but briefly, if there was no opposition to peace, justice, and faith, then where would the test be in establishing peace, justice and faith in God?

Regards
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And see also this by Dr. Jeffery Lang:
http://www.islamicboard.com/showpost.php?p=273965&postcount=12

Regards
 
J4763;

#1. If you had a certain child that you knew would lie when asked a certain question, would you allow that that question to be raised?

#2. Would you punish the child for being a liar?

Thanks
Nimrod
 
predestine... well my thoughts on it is that Yes God does know the future.. He knows all the choices you have and what each choice you are given what they will lead out to... for instance

you are out on a date-- and that date as aids you know he as aids and so does the other partner of course... now you have two choices here.. choose no to not have sex or yes to have sex...

God knows which decision will lead up to what... basically so it is not like your future is intirely made up.
 
nimrod said:
J4763;

#1. If you had a certain child that you knew would lie when asked a certain question, would you allow that that question to be raised?

#2. Would you punish the child for being a liar?

Thanks
Nimrod
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#1 No point in asking the question if you know the childs going to lie, so no i wouldn't ask.

#2 Yes.
 
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