"Ignorant" women have brought this society to where it is now!!!!

[*charisma*]

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[Revert alYunani]

Write the ayat where allah said he has sent male prophets. If you have the evidence.

I dont wanna be part of the discussion i am only listing a little info. Allahu Alem if there were women prophets or not but read this.

The scholers who rejected the idea of women being prophets is because of Verse (21:7)!.

We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺. Quran 21:7

They listed a few points to explain:

.there's no difference in spreading the message between prophets and messengers

.the quoted revelation might have been through dreams and that could happen to any person no matter if he is a prophet or not!

.the fact that anybody who have talked to a angle is a prophet is unacceptable because of the hadith of Jibreel who let the prophet explain to people their religion and the hadith of the leprosy, the bald-headed and the blind etc.

.the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) never said that dhi-l-Quarnayn was a prophet even if he received a revelation (18:86)

.that the verses about choosing Mariam etc, are no evidence, because Allah said the same about the whole family of Ibrahim and 'Imran but not all of them are prophets. See for example: for choosing (3:33) and here for choosing and excluding some of them (35:32)!

.the perfection quoted in the hadith is also no sign of prophet-hood, and as Khadija (May Allah be pleased with her) has been counted among the prefect women!
As Fatima (May Allah be pleased with her) is -also- not a prophet and she has been called by the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) as the master (chief) of the ladies of paradise in many hadith like in Sahih al-Bukhari.
Mariam has been described as a supporter of truth in (5:75), so if there has been a higher attribute Allah could give her then he would done so, but there's neither a hadith nor a Verse calling her a prophet

 

[xboxisdead]

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Can I specify a person or it must be all?

 

[manofIslam]

I do not need your likes. Please don't give them to me. Your likes have little value to me.

Brother, you sound like a very angry young man?!

 

[xboxisdead]

Brother, you sound like a very angry young man?!

I am not angry. I was just shocked when you liked her post about how do you know that all prophets are male. You shocked me as if I was zapped by a police zapper. Instead of teaching her, enlighten her, informing her she is wrong, you liked her post. You are further misguiding her and other people beside her and bring out doubts. That my friend is the worst form of enemy for Islam. So I look at you now and all I see is a weak man. Remember brother, when you click like and dislike you will be judged on them in the day of judgment: as either with you or against you. At first, I was observing many posts and saw you liking so many of them even ones that don't deserve like or dislike. So I was giggling to myself and saw you as trigger "like-happy". But...to click like on something that is against Islam, on something that is Kufur if believed and you liked it? Just believing angels are female make you a kafir (and angels are not male, though they came to Earth in shape of men), so how can you like someone who clearly believes prophets are female OR tell you how do you know that they are all male and some of them female, either to win an argument or fight for her sex (at the expense of her afterlife and cause fitna worldwide), and you like her?! So yeah, you got a full blunt of my energy at you. Be a man and don't act so weak, especially when it comes to your deen.

 

[iammuslim98]

Aoa. Did i deny the quran? Did my mentioning not drive a few of u to read the quran again with an urge to understand it better? If not, then it is a sad state of affairs. And the ayat the person haa mentioned has beeen interpreted differently, i always read this (21:7) (O Muhammad), even before you We never sent any other than human beings as Messengers, and to them We sent revelation. Further, does no one read or understand the context of the quran anymore.?the kuffar asked why God did not send an angel and this was His response. Further, how many women did actually interpret the Quran? Isnt the Book all about how it is interpreted?

 

[Revert alYunani]

Did i deny the quran?

Nobody accused you for denying the Quran. You asked for an ayah from the Quran and i gave it to you.
Are you an arab and understand it better? I cant understand it in arabic tbh,so i read sahih international and that and other translations all translate it as men,not human beings.

Sahih International: And We sent not before you, [O Muhammad], except men to whom We revealed [the message], so ask the people of the message if you do not know.
Pickthall: And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men, whom We inspired. Ask the followers of the Reminder if ye know not?
Yusuf Ali: Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message.
Shakir: And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the followers of the reminder if you do not
Muhammad Sarwar: The messengers that We had sent before you were only men to whom We had given revelation. Ask the People of the Book if you do not know.
Mohsin Khan: And We sent not before you (O Muhammad SAW) but men to whom We inspired, so ask the people of the Reminder [Scriptures - the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel)] if you do not know.
Arberry: And We sent none before thee, but men to whom We made revelation -- question the People of the Remembrance, if you do not know
Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran: We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺.

But okay,maybe this translation could be wrong.With men maybe it means human beings here.What about the verse 12:109
And We sent not before you [as messengers] except men to whom We revealed from among the people of cities. So have they not traveled through the earth and observed how was the end of those before them? And the home of the Hereafter is best for those who fear Allah; then will you not reason?

Is the translation still not correct and they should have said human beings instead of men? Then alright,since we cant find a solution,the best thing to do is to read the tafsir.Read the tafsir of ibn kethir on these 2 verses and you will see if they mean men or human beings.I will let you read it yourself,if you really care to know

Just think,how would a female prophet lead men in prayer when females cant lead men in prayer or pray before men.What about when she is on her period,we cancel prayer that day? Astagfirullah.Makes no sense.
But again despite all these evidences i still say Allahu Alem.He knows if there was a female prophet or not.I cant dare to say something so big,but i am just sharing info,for you for myself and for others.

 

[iammuslim98]

Umme Waraqa was appointed by the prophet saww to lead prayers. The word Rajaal has been used whixh means:men,people, lads etc. It is all about interpretation. Otherwise, as per ur explanation, God is also a male, because we use the term He for Him. Whereas we all know, the word he is sometimes used exclusive of gender identity. And are u seriously comparing 'male' interpretation to justify urself. When you couldn't even stand a person saying its good that no one is attracted to females. U have some sheer hatred for women, feel sorry for u

 

[iammuslim98]

Also when we talk about mankind does it mean we are referring to men only? And menses is an excuse. Every qaum had a different sharia. christian women go to churches even during their periods. It was islam that imposed this rule. There was also a group that was allowed drinking. Kosher meat is more limited when it comes to consuming meat as compared to halal meat, is that also wrong ?

 

[Revert alYunani]

Umme Waraqa was appointed by the prophet saww to lead prayers. The word Rajaal has been used whixh means:men,people, lads etc. It is all about interpretation. Otherwise, as per ur explanation, God is also a male, because we use the term He for Him. Whereas we all know, the word he is sometimes used exclusive of gender identity. And are u seriously comparing 'male' interpretation to justify urself. When you couldn't even stand a person saying its good that no one is attracted to females. U have some sheer hatred for women, feel sorry for u

So all those i listed that translated the Quran including sahih international are wrong and you give a better interpretation? Did you read the tafsir? Seems like you give a better explanation than ibn kethir too.

You say Umm Waraqa was appointed to lead prayers.Before deceiving others lets first say that this hadith has two unknown narrators so its considered weak or deficent.And it doesnt say that she was leading men in prayer,rather people of her household,could be children,teens,old women,young women.So even if it is sahih it still mentions no males but the people of her house.

A people who appoint a woman as their leader will never succeed [Al-Bukhari]
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about a man who prayed ‘Asr behind his wife. He replied:It is not permissible for a woman to lead a man in prayer and his prayer offered behind her is not valid, because of a great deal of evidence to that effect, and the man mentioned must repeat his prayer.”

Otherwise, as per ur explanation, God is also a male, because we use the term He for Him. Whereas we all know, the word he is sometimes used exclusive of gender identity.

so if it doesnt mean man but it means human beings according to your explanation God is human being? astagfirullah

U have some sheer hatred for women, feel sorry for u

Look to what level you bring the discussion.I reply to a question that you yourself asked,hoping to have a constructive discussion which we all benefit,and you bring the convo to this level as we are some teens in tictoc.I have no hatred for women,if you read my posts in this thread you would see i have been against men and not women.If men were the ones who give birth and have periods and are weaker physically and not allowed to lead men in prayer etc than id happily say man are not fit for prophethood.Its not about what gender is better is about what gender fits more to that role.I am giving you gems,if you dont want to accept the truth is up to you.


and where i couldnt even stand a person saying its good that no one is attracted to females?? what are you even talking about

 

[Revert alYunani]

christian women go to churches even during their periods

churches didnt exist in time of Isa saws so going to churches is not even part of what was revealed to Isa

 

[iammuslim98]

Places of worship have alwwys been there.. I m not saying God is a human, but we do refer to God as Him, why not they or her?

 

[Revert alYunani]

Places of worship have alwwys been there.. I m not saying God is a human, but we do refer to God as Him, why not they or her?

a similar question was asked in islamqa.Here it is https://islamqa.info/en/answers/986...-he-when-referring-to-allah-may-he-be-exalted

I advise you skip the first paragraphs or you will have your feelings hurt.It says how ignorant people who make this question are. I am impressed how right [MENTION=16760]xboxisdead[/MENTION] was and how he foretold this.I mean you come with your own explanation of Quran ignoring the translations from others and the tafsir,you want female interpretors of the quran,you talk about matriarchal society,you bring one very weak almost hadith to claim that women can lead everybody in prayer,I think your problem is why arent women the one in charge.Please learn more and dont make this a battle between genders.You are blessed more than men if only you knew.I find it fruitless and a waste of time to keep discussing with you if you keep ignoring what i am saying,so salam alaikum may Allah guide you.

 

[Islami.Mu'mina]

I am not angry. I was just shocked when you liked her post about how do you know that all prophets are male. You shocked me as if I was zapped by a police zapper. Instead of teaching her, enlighten her, informing her she is wrong, you liked her post. You are further misguiding her and other people beside her and bring out doubts. That my friend is the worst form of enemy for Islam. So I look at you now and all I see is a weak man. Remember brother, when you click like and dislike you will be judged on them in the day of judgment: as either with you or against you. At first, I was observing many posts and saw you liking so many of them even ones that don't deserve like or dislike. So I was giggling to myself and saw you as trigger "like-happy". But...to click like on something that is against Islam, on something that is Kufur if believed and you liked it? Just believing angels are female make you a kafir (and angels are not male, though they came to Earth in shape of men), so how can you like someone who clearly believes prophets are female OR tell you how do you know that they are all male and some of them female, either to win an argument or fight for her sex (at the expense of her afterlife and cause fitna worldwide), and you like her?! So yeah, you got a full blunt of my energy at you. Be a man and don't act so weak, especially when it comes to your deen.

you’re automatically assuming his intentions and telling him to renew his shahada because he liked a post that stated a question. Further down this thread, she had said things that are wrong, but for that post, she asked a question. I believe all prophets are male but I was going to like her post myself because I wanted an answer with specific evidence to the question she asked. Don’t be so quick and rash to assume things

 

[*charisma*]

Umme Waraqa was appointed by the prophet saww to lead prayers. The word Rajaal has been used whixh means:men,people, lads etc. It is all about interpretation. Otherwise, as per ur explanation, God is also a male, because we use the term He for Him. Whereas we all know, the word he is sometimes used exclusive of gender identity. And are u seriously comparing 'male' interpretation to justify urself. When you couldn't even stand a person saying its good that no one is attracted to females. U have some sheer hatred for women, feel sorry for u

Assalamu Alaikum,

We should not interpret things without proper knowledge. We need to be objective when learning matters about the deen, not subjective. Your information or impressions about the female status in Islam are incorrect/misguided. There are no scholars which support your view that there were any female prophets. This, however, does not lower the status of important female figures in Islam.

 

[xboxisdead]

you’re automatically assuming his intentions and telling him to renew his shahada because he liked a post that stated a question. Further down this thread, she had said things that are wrong, but for that post, she asked a question. I believe all prophets are male but I was going to like her post myself because I wanted an answer with specific evidence to the question she asked. Don’t be so quick and rash to assume things

I am a man to accept my mistake. Thank you sister! My Allah forgive and for anyone I hurt with this paragraph please forgive me.

 

[iammuslim98]

Scholars have assumed a lot wrong about islam as well. Secondly, do u really believe their knowledge can exceed beyond a certain limit. What's wrong in saying that women should start interpreting quran also. There are so mny questions which the scholars fail to answer. Like the question this selfmade scholar failed to answer why not refer to God as her or they? Like you said, understanding the perspective is important. In this way, the verse to cover up is specifically for that time when the kuffars used to catcall and annoy the muslim women.

 

[iammuslim98]

There isnt any scholarly evidence of prophets being sent to india and china..should we assume that God ignored such a huge chunk of people? The ayat 78 of surah ghafr says there are prophets Allah told us about and then there are he didnt. There is no clear mention of 124000 prophets in the quran, except for a few tafseers and hadith, should we say that yes, there is not even a slightest possibility? I highly doubt it.

 

[*charisma*]

Scholars have assumed a lot wrong about islam as well. Secondly, do u really believe their knowledge can exceed beyond a certain limit. What's wrong in saying that women should start interpreting quran also. There are so mny questions which the scholars fail to answer. Like the question this selfmade scholar failed to answer why not refer to God as her or they? Like you said, understanding the perspective is important. In this way, the verse to cover up is specifically for that time when the kuffars used to catcall and annoy the muslim women.

Why do you believe only males are scholars? There are female scholars too. Scholars can make mistakes, they are human, but that is what the majority opinion is for. However, you are not a scholar or close to it. If there's a question which you don't know, then you ask. The he/she/they question involves the language barrier. We don't ascribe Allah to any gender. However in Arabic, "he" is both masculine and neutral, and the royal "we" connotes highness. "She" is not gender neutral. "They" is not singular it is plural. Ascribing either of these words to Allah would be blasphemous.
Secondly if you're going to disregard the ayah about hijaab and mis-contextualize it, then again you are making a mistake. Hijaab is not worn because of nonMuslims or catcalling, and you are also making the assumption that muslim women are not catcalled or annoyed these days. Do you live under a rock?

There isnt any scholarly evidence of prophets being sent to india and china..should we assume that God ignored such a huge chunk of people? The ayat 78 of surah ghafr says there are prophets Allah told us about and then there are he didnt. There is no clear mention of 124000 prophets in the quran, except for a few tafseers and hadith, should we say that yes, there is not even a slightest possibility? I highly doubt it.

I don't understand your point here? Islam was sent to all of mankind. We follow both Quran and Sunnah, not just Quran. You have to have both.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Scholars have assumed a lot wrong about islam as well.

That is a gross misstatement. Scholars do not assume things about Islam. Rather, they base their opinions based on their study of the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Secondly, do u really believe their knowledge can exceed beyond a certain limit.

That does not mean in anyway that you have somehow gained knowledge beyond the limits of all the scholars of the Ummah!

What's wrong in saying that women should start interpreting quran also.

There is nothing wrong with that. There have been several female scholars as well. Mother of all the believers, 'Aishah :raha: was one of the greatest scholars and a mufassir.


A woman or a man cannot suddenly start interpreting the Qur'an on his own. He or she has to first study and reach the level of a mufassir. Not all scholars are mufassir. It needs specialized study.

the verse to cover up is specifically for that time when the kuffars used to catcall and annoy the muslim women.

Islam is for all times and all places. The command to cover up was revealed in Madinah Munawwarah, which was a Muslim dominated city at that time. Before you fall prey to any such misguidance, learn and seek knowledge from proper sources.

Had the command to cover up was only meant for a non-Muslim environment, Allah :swt: would not have specifically mentioned so many close relatives in Surah Al-Noor and in Surah Al-Ahzab.

There isnt any scholarly evidence of prophets being sent to india and china..should we assume that God ignored such a huge chunk of people?

Allah :swt: says:
And for every nation is a messenger. [Yunus: 47]

and for every people is a guide. [Ar-Ra'd: 7]

And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. [An-Nahl: 36]

This means that Allah :swt: has sent Prophets and Messengers to India and China as well, even though we do not know anything about those prophets.