Hello, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses
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You believe that your God demanded Jesus as a blood sacrifice for the salvation of humanity.
In my opinion, this is called a payment. Not forgiveness.
So how is your God all mercifull? I fail to see that.
Also, if we know that the Bible is just a translation and none of the authors were actual witnesses, nor even known people....how then can you believe that the Bible is the literal word of God?
In my opinion, this is called a payment. Not forgiveness.
So how is your God all mercifull? I fail to see that.
Also, if we know that the Bible is just a translation and none of the authors were actual witnesses, nor even known people....how then can you believe that the Bible is the literal word of God?
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God Witnesses that Islam is the Truth, and He is over all things a Witness (Quran).
The Jehova religion is falsehood.
They don’t believe in hell, and that most if not all people will die (which is true) but will never get resurrected.
Thus, they are disbelievers.
Anyone denying hell is a kaffir.
To God is our Certain return.
The Jehova religion is falsehood.
They don’t believe in hell, and that most if not all people will die (which is true) but will never get resurrected.
Thus, they are disbelievers.
Anyone denying hell is a kaffir.
To God is our Certain return.
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Hello, thank you for your questions
This is what we believe:
Jesus died so that humans could have their sins forgiven and receive endless life. (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 1:7) Jesus’ death also proved that a human can remain loyal to God even when faced with the severest of tests.—Hebrews 4:15.Jesus’ sacrifice is the means by which God delivers, or saves, humankind from sin and death. The Bible refers to the shed blood of Jesus as a ransom price. (Ephesians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:18, 19) Thus, Jesus said that he came “to give his life a ransom for many.”—Matthew 20:28
Jehovah has given us a wonderful gift—66 books collected into one volume, the Bible. The Bible is God’s message to us. The Bible was written by some 40 writers over a span of about 1,600 years, from 1513 B.C.E. to about 98 C.E. And the writers came from many backgrounds.
Still, all parts of the Bible agree. God is the Author of the Bible. (1 Thessalonians 2:13.) The writers did not record their own thoughts. Rather, they “spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.” a (2 Peter 1:21) God used his holy spirit to inspire, or motivate, men to record his thoughts.—2 Timothy 3:16.
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Hello, thank you for sharing your opinion.
This is what we believe:
Hell (hades or sheol) is not a place of fiery torment, but rather the symbolic common grave of mankind, a place of unconscious non-existence. Gehenna describes a judgment of complete destruction, from which resurrection is not possible. Complete destruction does not allow for literal "torture" of the wicked, as the deceased person is not conscious. Many have striven to be pious out of fear of hellfire, but God does not want you to serve him because you are terrified of him. Rather, Jesus said: “You must love Jehovah your God.” (Mark 12:29, 30) Moreover, when we realize that God does not act unjustly today, we can trust his future judgments too. Like Job’s friend Elihu, we can confidently say: “Far be it from the true God to act wickedly, and the Almighty to act unjustly.”—Job 34:10.Marwan-Maroc
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That non-existence destruction stuff is new stuff.Hello, thank you for sharing your opinion.
This is what we believe:
The disbelievers will get resurrected so they can see and be shown that they were liars (Quran).
Hell is not a symbolic anything. It is a real place.
And God is to be feared, anyone don’t fearing God doesn’t know God.
And none can say they are a believer until he fears God.
There is no protection nor help except that of God.
God is the Most Great.
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Thank you again for your opinion. Please allow me to share my point of view:
“The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) The dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) If the soul dies and is unconscious, how could it suffer “eternal fire” or even the pain of everlasting separation from God?The idea of eternal torment is repugnant to God. (Jeremiah 32:35) Such an idea is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) He wants us to worship him out of love, not fear of eternal torment.—Matthew 22:36-38.
The Bible often compares death to sleep. (Psalm 13:3; John 11:11-14; Acts 7:60) A person who is fast asleep is unaware of what is happening around him. Likewise, the dead are not conscious of anything. Yet, the Bible teaches that God can awaken the dead as if from sleep and give them life again. (Job 14:13-15) For those whom God resurrects, death is not the end of everything!
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BotHello, thank you for sharing your opinion.
This is what we believe:
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Hello,Hello, thank you for your questions
This is what we believe:
Jesus’ sacrifice is the means by which God delivers, or saves, humankind from sin and death. The Bible refers to the shed blood of Jesus as a ransom price. (Ephesians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:18, 19) Thus, Jesus said that he came “to give his life a ransom for many.”—Matthew 20:28
Still, all parts of the Bible agree. God is the Author of the Bible. (1 Thessalonians 2:13.) The writers did not record their own thoughts. Rather, they “spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.” a (2 Peter 1:21) God used his holy spirit to inspire, or motivate, men to record his thoughts.—2 Timothy 3:16.
Thanks for trying, but unfortunately, you didn't give any satisfying answers. All you have done is provide verses from a "holy book" that most scholars question its authority.
Some reasons why the Bible cannot be the literal word of God:
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It is not available in the original language when it was revealed. All we have are copies from copies from translations.
we all know that when a piece of text is translated in another language, it always introduces some sort of deformation or loss of the original information. So, you cannot claim that the english version you have is 100% the literal word of God.
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There are clear cut contradictions which prove that it cannot come from God.not one or two, but many contradictions. God does not make mistakes
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Who gets to decide which books are considered to be of the Bible and which books are not? Why do you reject to include other books into the bible just like the other sects of christianity? So which version of the bible is the true version and why?
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There are passages in the bible that speak kinda bad about some prophets or even about Jesus which we cannot believe that as true.
Prophets (including Jesus) are pious and extaordinary people, carefully chosen to set an example for humanity, they are all righteous, they do not go around and kill someones husband just because the lust for her, they do not get themselves drunk and sleep with their own daughters,
they do not call someone who begs for help "dogs" just like Jesus said according to your bible.
We do not believe all that.
So, you have to adress all these points before you can use the bible as a reference.
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Hello, thank you for your questions
This is what we believe:
“Every nation and tribe and tongue and people” can benefit from the good news found in the Bible. (Revelation 14:6.) God made sure that the Bible would be available in more languages than any other book in history. Almost everyone has access to the Bible. This is true no matter where people live or what language they speak!The prophet Isaiah stated that God’s word “endures forever.” (Isaiah 40:8) We can be sure that God’s promises have been preserved accurately! God has the power to preserve his Word and to prevent it from being corrupted. In ancient times, when handwritten copies were made, careful copyists counted every letter of the holy text to be certain nothing was added, changed, or omitted.
The entire Bible is harmonious. While some passages might seem to show the Bible contradicting itself, they can usually be understood correctly by applying one or more of the following principles:- Consider the context. Any author can appear to contradict himself if his words are taken out of context.
- Consider the writer’s viewpoint. Eyewitnesses might describe an event accurately but not use the exact same wording or include the same details.
- Take into account historical facts and customs.
- Distinguish between the figurative and the literal uses of a word.
- Recognize that an action may be attributed to someone—even if he did not personally carry it out.
- Use an accurate Bible translation.
- Avoid trying to reconcile what the Bible says with mistaken religious ideas or dogma.
The canon of the Hebrew Scriptures was established by the end of the fifth century B.C.E. The skilled scribe and inspired Bible writer Ezra began the work, and it was completed by Nehemiah. (Ezr 7:6) The writing of the Christian Greek Scriptures was completed during the time that the gifts of the spirit were operative on Christ’s followers. (Joh 14:26; Re 1:1) Some Christians had the gift of “discernment of inspired expressions.” (1Co 12:10) Thus, they could, without referring the matter to a supposed church council, determine which of the letters the congregation received were inspired of God. With the death of John, the last apostle, this reliable chain of divinely inspired men came to an end. Therefore, with the book of Revelation, John’s Gospel, and his three letters, the Bible canon was closed.
On one occasion, when Jesus was outside Israel’s borders in the Roman province of Syria, a Greek woman approached to ask for help. Jesus’ response included an illustration that suggested a comparison between non-Jews and “little dogs.” Under the Mosaic Law, dogs were deemed to be unclean animals. (Leviticus 11:27) But Jesus did not mean to insult this Greek woman and other non-Jews. Not at all! Jesus’ point, as he explained to his disciples, was that his priority at that time was to help the Jews. So he illustrated the point, saying to the Greek woman: “It is not right to take the bread of the children and throw it to the little dogs.” (Matthew 15:21-26; Mark 7:26) Among the Greeks and Romans, the dog was often a beloved pet that lived in its owner’s house and played with the children. So the expression “little dogs” would have called to mind a warm, endearing picture. The Greek woman picked up on Jesus’ words and replied: “Yes, Lord, but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters.” Jesus commended her faith and healed the woman’s daughter.—Matthew 15:27, 28.
first I hesitated so I gave it another chance, but now, I think you are right.
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Nope
So, God has the power to preserve his word, and to prevent it from being corrupted....right?
What was the reason again you guys had to have your own version of the bible back in 1950, which is the New World Translation?
To improve the perfect message of God?
Other versions were not perfect enough for you guys?
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Thank you for your questions.
One of the reasons why I personally like the NWT because of its modern, understandable language, but also because the translators held so closely to what is in the original Bible languages. I have a friend who studies Hebrew at University and some of the exercises they have to do is translating Bible verses (always from Hebrew into our own language, never the other way). And he was surprised when he confirmed to what degree the NWT was a faithful and literal translation. And the new revised version has achieved an even better balance between natural and easy language on one hand, and closeness to the original ideas on the other.Another reason why I like the NWT involves the name of the most important person spoken of in the Scriptures. Did you know that God’s personal name appears in the Bible in the original Hebrew some 7,000 times—more than any other name? Well, the NWT is one of the few translations (along with the American Standard Version, the Jerusalem Bible, or The Bible in Living English among others) that uses God’s name (Jehovah or Yahweh) throughout the Hebrew Scriptures!
You are trying to avoid my point:Thank you for your questions.
Another reason why I like the NWT involves the name of the most important person spoken of in the Scriptures. Did you know that God’s personal name appears in the Bible in the original Hebrew some 7,000 times—more than any other name? Well, the NWT is one of the few translations (along with the American Standard Version, the Jerusalem Bible, or The Bible in Living English among others) that uses God’s name (Jehovah or Yahweh) throughout the Hebrew Scriptures!
Other versions were not perfect enough for you guys so you had to have your own Bible version? where they not accurate enough for you?
Why the sudden decision to have a whole new version of the Bible when the other versions already contain the truth?
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Thank you again for your questions!
We saw the need to produce a new translation that would better help people to learn the “accurate knowledge of truth,” which is God’s will for everyone. (1 Timothy 2:3, 4) Thus, in 1950 we began to release portions of our modern-language Bible, the New World Translation. This Bible has been faithfully and accurately translated into over 130 languages! Languages change over time, and many translations contain obscure or obsolete expressions that are difficult to understand. Also, ancient manuscripts that are more accurate and closer to the originals have been discovered, resulting in a better comprehension of Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.Marwan-Maroc
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God is the Greatest, none are worthy of worship except God, there is no god but God Alone and Only, all praise is due to God, all thanks is due to God, all glory belongs to God, all honour belongs to God, there is no power or strenght except with God, there is no protector nor helper except for God, God is the King and Lord and Ruler and God and Light and Protector of the heavens and the earth and all things in them and all things in between them and all things underground them!Thank you again for your opinion. Please allow me to share my point of view:
The idea of eternal torment is repugnant to God. (Jeremiah 32:35) Such an idea is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) He wants us to worship him out of love, not fear of eternal torment.—Matthew 22:36-38.
Yet, the Bible teaches that God can awaken the dead as if from sleep and give them life again. (Job 14:13-15) For those whom God resurrects, death is not the end of everything!
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You don’t know if the soul will die or not. Man has knowledge of the soul, given little knowledge (Quran). All I know is that all humans will get resurrected as God makes very clear in the holy glorious Quran, and your claim that God makes someone not exist forever is falsehood, and I don’t care if the Bible says so, the Bible died the second the Glorious Quran came.
God tells man to fear Him (Quran). God is not love. The idea of eternal hell is not repugnant to God. It is the Word and Promise of God that He will fill up hell with jinns and humans togheter (Quran). And that is always easy for God (Quran).
Clearly, the Bible and the Quran differ from each other, if your qoutes are to be believed.
The Bible must unfortunately be thrown away.
And the Quran must be believed over it as True and Right, if the Quran says Å and the Bible says Ø we must believe the Quran since it is from God, while the Bible has been corrupted and contains falsehood, like the stuff you qouted from it.
The Quran must be believed over the Bible 100% no matter what, since it’s Truth from God, all of it is True, nothing is falsehood.
But most do not believe (Quran).
God Guides whomever He Wills and He makes whomever He Wills be far astray (Quran), and makes their disbelief even more (Quran), for what deserve.
To God is our Certain return.
Thank you.
Now we are on the same page.
Please allow me to translate your answer in an even better understandable english so that you may understand it yourself too:
Notice how you mix up the terms "version" and "translation". The NWT is a version of the Bible, and it is available in different translations. But no worries, I corrected it for you.
We all remember what happened in Nazi Germany back in WOII due to this subjective morality, don't you?
People ratted jewish neighbours or even family-members out because it was the good thing to do...it was good moral for the sake of a better germany.
You remember that right?
Who knows what else is out there, waiting to be discovered to improve the accuracy of the Bible in the near future. This alone proves that the Bible was not preserved perfectly because we are still discovering new manuscripts, and who knows what else we may discover in the future, right?
Now we are on the same page.
Please allow me to translate your answer in an even better understandable english so that you may understand it yourself too:
"The versions we had until 1950 were not perfect and flawless as we needed it to be, so we had to produce a version which is even more perfect. Thus in 1950 we began to release portions of our hyper-modern-word-of-God which is of course much better than the original-word-of-God. We even translated this modern bible into 130 languages, so that the whole world may see and understand our modern western standards instead of their own outdated literal word of God"Thank you again for your questions!
Notice how you mix up the terms "version" and "translation". The NWT is a version of the Bible, and it is available in different translations. But no worries, I corrected it for you.
"As human kind evolves, our ethics morals and values also change over time. What was perfectly normal back then, can be perverse, obscure or obsolete now, and vice versa. We do not want to be bound to the objective morality God originally dictated in the Bible. We rather go with our own modern subjective morality which changes as we change and develop."
We all remember what happened in Nazi Germany back in WOII due to this subjective morality, don't you?
People ratted jewish neighbours or even family-members out because it was the good thing to do...it was good moral for the sake of a better germany.
You remember that right?
"The Bible versions we had until 1950 turned out to be not that perfect and flawless after all because we discovered ancient manuscripts that prove that. But now, with the NWT we finally have a Bible version which is more flawlessand more perfect than all the other versions before."
Who knows what else is out there, waiting to be discovered to improve the accuracy of the Bible in the near future. This alone proves that the Bible was not preserved perfectly because we are still discovering new manuscripts, and who knows what else we may discover in the future, right?
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Thank you again for your opinion. Please allow me to share my point of view:
God has set death, not torment in a fiery hell, as the penalty for sin. God told the first man, Adam, that the penalty for breaking God’s law would be death. (Genesis 2:17) He said nothing about eternal torment in hell. Later, after Adam sinned, God told him what his punishment would be: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) He would pass out of existence. If God were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell, He surely would have mentioned it.
God has not changed the punishment for defying his laws. Long after Adam sinned, God inspired a Bible writer to say: “The wages sin pays is death.” (Romans 6:23) No further penalty is justified, because “the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”—Romans 6:7.
The doctrine that hell is a place of torment is not based on truth. Rather, it is a pagan belief masquerading as a divine teaching. No, God does not torture people eternally in hell.