A Sincere Seeker's Question: The Adam/Evolution Issue as My Final Checkpoint to Shahada

[caleb32455]

Assalamu alaikum to the community and scholars who might read this.


I come to you as someone who has spent considerable time studying and comparing religious frameworks across multiple domains. Through rigorous analysis, I've developed specific criteria for evaluating claimed divine revelation: logical consistency, historical accuracy, narrative coherence, theological soundness, and compatibility with established knowledge.


After extensive comparative study, I've found Islam to be genuinely the most - and frankly the only - coherent religious narrative across these domains. The Quran's historical precision (using "malik" for Joseph's era vs "fir'awn" for Moses's era), its theological consistency (divine transcendence without indifference), its narrative structure (universalistic rather than tribal messaging), and its intellectual framework (welcoming sincere questioning as shown with the angels and Abraham) all demonstrate remarkable sophistication that distinguishes it from other traditions.


However, I face one remaining obstacle that prevents me from taking shahada, despite my strong desire to do so: the reconciliation of human evolution with the Adam narrative. I fully accept evolution as established science and can easily accept Allah guiding evolutionary processes - this poses no theological problem for me. The specific issue is how to understand Adam's role given that humans clearly evolved from earlier species over millions of years.


I've developed an interpretation that I believe could resolve this tension: What if pre-Adamic humans were biologically human but lacked divine guidance - essentially highly intelligent animals focused on survival? Adam would then represent the first human elevated with divine consciousness and moral responsibility, marking the beginning of humanity's spiritual evolution and stewardship role, not biological evolution. His "creation" would be special because he received divine guidance that elevated him above mere survival instincts to become capable of civilization, morality, and relationship with Allah.


This interpretation seems textually supported by the angels' question: "Will you place therein one who causes corruption and sheds blood?" - suggesting they had already observed such behavior, implying pre-existing populations. Adam's lineage could then spread through intermarriage with existing humans, eventually reaching all modern populations while carrying both genetic heritage and, more importantly, the capacity for divine guidance.


My question to scholars and knowledgeable community members: Does Islam allow for this interpretation? Are there existing scholarly positions that address the Adam narrative in ways compatible with evolutionary science? I ask because this represents my final checkpoint - if this issue can be resolved while maintaining intellectual honesty, I am prepared to take shahada immediately.


I approach this question with the same sincere seeking that the Quran honors in its accounts of Abraham and the angels - not from arrogance, but from genuine desire to reconcile faith with knowledge. Any guidance would be deeply appreciated.


JazakAllahu khairan for your time and consideration.

 

[Al-Ansariyah]

Wa alaikum assalam
I found a great article on this. Hope this helps.

Facts vs. Interpretations: Understanding Islam & Evolution | Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research

The purpose of this essay is to offer an Islamic perspective on the theory of evolution. As we discuss this particular theory, we also aim to highlight broader issues related to Islam and science.

yaqeeninstitute.org

Assalamu alaikum to the community and scholars who might read this.


I come to you as someone who has spent considerable time studying and comparing religious frameworks across multiple domains. Through rigorous analysis, I've developed specific criteria for evaluating claimed divine revelation: logical consistency, historical accuracy, narrative coherence, theological soundness, and compatibility with established knowledge.


After extensive comparative study, I've found Islam to be genuinely the most - and frankly the only - coherent religious narrative across these domains. The Quran's historical precision (using "malik" for Joseph's era vs "fir'awn" for Moses's era), its theological consistency (divine transcendence without indifference), its narrative structure (universalistic rather than tribal messaging), and its intellectual framework (welcoming sincere questioning as shown with the angels and Abraham) all demonstrate remarkable sophistication that distinguishes it from other traditions.


However, I face one remaining obstacle that prevents me from taking shahada, despite my strong desire to do so: the reconciliation of human evolution with the Adam narrative. I fully accept evolution as established science and can easily accept Allah guiding evolutionary processes - this poses no theological problem for me. The specific issue is how to understand Adam's role given that humans clearly evolved from earlier species over millions of years.


I've developed an interpretation that I believe could resolve this tension: What if pre-Adamic humans were biologically human but lacked divine guidance - essentially highly intelligent animals focused on survival? Adam would then represent the first human elevated with divine consciousness and moral responsibility, marking the beginning of humanity's spiritual evolution and stewardship role, not biological evolution. His "creation" would be special because he received divine guidance that elevated him above mere survival instincts to become capable of civilization, morality, and relationship with Allah.


This interpretation seems textually supported by the angels' question: "Will you place therein one who causes corruption and sheds blood?" - suggesting they had already observed such behavior, implying pre-existing populations. Adam's lineage could then spread through intermarriage with existing humans, eventually reaching all modern populations while carrying both genetic heritage and, more importantly, the capacity for divine guidance.


My question to scholars and knowledgeable community members: Does Islam allow for this interpretation? Are there existing scholarly positions that address the Adam narrative in ways compatible with evolutionary science? I ask because this represents my final checkpoint - if this issue can be resolved while maintaining intellectual honesty, I am prepared to take shahada immediately.


I approach this question with the same sincere seeking that the Quran honors in its accounts of Abraham and the angels - not from arrogance, but from genuine desire to reconcile faith with knowledge. Any guidance would be deeply appreciated.


JazakAllahu khairan for your time and consideration.

 

[Al-Ansariyah]

Thread 'Position of Islam to the theory of evolution.' https://www.islamicboard.com/threads/position-of-islam-to-the-theory-of-evolution.134360856/

 

[caleb32455]

Wa alaikum assalam
I found a great article on this. Hope this helps.

Facts vs. Interpretations: Understanding Islam & Evolution | Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research

The purpose of this essay is to offer an Islamic perspective on the theory of evolution. As we discuss this particular theory, we also aim to highlight broader issues related to Islam and science.

yaqeeninstitute.org

this article is good enough for me to know that there is no clash for as long as I submit that even evolution is guided by god and its not some chance which is a position i believe in so أشهد ان لا إله إلى الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله

however to be honest this article has one major that it adreses a philosophical claim as a scientific claim. no scientist worth his salt actively says evolution as "Science" disproves god what was said is based on our "Scientific" I interpret that its all caused by chance and no god. the no god claim is not a scientific one but a philosophical question about the interpretation of the data and data can be interpreted in many ways (which this article acknowledged thats why its enough for me to know for a fact that islam came from god the all knowing.

thank you brother.

 

[caleb32455]

Thread 'Position of Islam to the theory of evolution.' https://www.islamicboard.com/threads/position-of-islam-to-the-theory-of-evolution.134360856/

you don't understand theory of evolution humans are not the last chain of the evolutionary process. think of it this way

did god create you? of course he did.
do you accept that your own life came from a single cell in your mothers womb that started multiplying till you were finally shaped? of course you do.

does this process disproves that god created you? of course it did not.

so the process of which we are created does not disprove the fact that it was god who created us. it was god who breathed soul into us then the question is.

why not apply this same logic to evolution?

 

[caleb32455]

you don't understand theory of evolution humans are not the last chain of the evolutionary process. think of it this way

did god create you? of course he did.
do you accept that your own life came from a single cell in your mothers womb that started multiplying till you were finally shaped? of course you do.

does this process disproves that god created you? of course it did not.

so the process of which we are created does not disprove the fact that it was god who created us. it was god who breathed soul into us then the question is.

why not apply this same logic to evolution?

also early muslims debated an important topic that relates to your claim. does god have physical hands like ours? if you think that he does(which i know is not scholarly consensus) then your interpretation of the hadith provided makes sense. but if god is beyond any physical form then god creating adam with his "hands" becomes metaphorical rather than literal.

 

[Ümit]

Assalamu alaikum to the community and scholars who might read this.

Aleyküm selam brother.

I come to you as someone who has spent considerable time studying and comparing religious frameworks across multiple domains. Through rigorous analysis, I've developed specific criteria for evaluating claimed divine revelation: logical consistency, historical accuracy, narrative coherence, theological soundness, and compatibility with established knowledge.

very good. You came to the right place. Islaam is logical and compatible with knowledge.

After extensive comparative study, I've found Islam to be genuinely the most - and frankly the only - coherent religious narrative across these domains. The Quran's historical precision (using "malik" for Joseph's era vs "fir'awn" for Moses's era), its theological consistency (divine transcendence without indifference), its narrative structure (universalistic rather than tribal messaging), and its intellectual framework (welcoming sincere questioning as shown with the angels and Abraham) all demonstrate remarkable sophistication that distinguishes it from other traditions.

wow. you did do your homework. I'm impressed.

However, I face one remaining obstacle that prevents me from taking shahada, despite my strong desire to do so: the reconciliation of human evolution with the Adam narrative. I fully accept evolution as established science and can easily accept Allah guiding evolutionary processes - this poses no theological problem for me. The specific issue is how to understand Adam's role given that humans clearly evolved from earlier species over millions of years.

OK, so far you sound just like me. I'm also a science guy. Everything needs to be explainable, in order with science, logical etc.
I also asked the same question about evolution and Adam (as)
you need to know a few things about what science is and how it works.

Science is a tool we humans use to understand and explain the world and universum we live in. It is a tool we share with each other and learn from people not only on the other side of the world, but also from people who lived in the past.

You also need to know that science is always in development, facts and rules of today can, and have been proven wrong in the future after we discovered more and more.
An excellent example is how we always found the newtonians laws as logical and accurate. It always worked...in fact we still use it in our everyday life. And then Einstein comes along and says that if the masses are small enough, and speeds high enough, the laws of Newton doesn't apply anomore...

As you see, the thing we proved as FACTS, were suddenly not true anymore

Therefore, science is just an approximation of the absolute truth, and it changes everytime.

We see a strange phenomenah and want to explain it. So we brainstorm and think out a hypothesis (or multiple)...and then we try to test that hypothesis and if the outcome is somewhat how we predicted, our hypothesis becomes a theory.

A theory just means that we have a workable idea that somewhat explains how something happens, but that doesn't mean anything. It can change within several years, and we even can look back and laugh at it "how can someone be such a fool to believe that".

Besides, nowadays, more and more people discovered huge gaps in the theory of evolution and they do not see that as THE EXPLANATION anymore.

I'm not saying evolution theory is false or true. We as muslims do not "believe" that things in science are true or false...We just say, "that is the best explanation to explain this, so we stick to that".

One final thing: even if evolution was true, it only applies on the development of different lifeforms. It never explains life itself. It doesn't explain the first step how some dead material...a few organized molecules suddenly contain life?
the step from "zero" to "almost zero" is still infinitely big.

The absolute truth is somewhere in the middle and is only known by Allah. We do come closer and closer to it as we learn and develop.

I've developed an interpretation that I believe could resolve this tension: What if pre-Adamic humans were biologically human but lacked divine guidance - essentially highly intelligent animals focused on survival? Adam would then represent the first human elevated with divine consciousness and moral responsibility, marking the beginning of humanity's spiritual evolution and stewardship role, not biological evolution. His "creation" would be special because he received divine guidance that elevated him above mere survival instincts to become capable of civilization, morality, and relationship with Allah.

That was also my idea once, but later I refained from that. Adam (as) was an adult as he was created. There are more objections besides that but it doesn't come to my head right now.

My idea right now is something like:
Evolution can be true or false, That is up to science to prove that. It doesn't effect the existence of Allah.
If evolution one day would be proven as absolutely factual, than that just means that Allah used evolution as a tool to create life.

But when it comes to Adam (as), he definitely was not a part of this proces.
Allah, who is perfectly capable of creating this whole universe with all its laws and forces is surely capable of creating a miracle like a human from clay. this is not a big deal for Him.

This interpretation seems textually supported by the angels' question: "Will you place therein one who causes corruption and sheds blood?" - suggesting they had already observed such behavior, implying pre-existing populations.

Partially true. The angels are in this case referring to jinns. creatures, way older than humans with their own free will and everything, and they behaved very poorly in the past. So they indeed did observe such bad behavior.

Adam's lineage could then spread through intermarriage with existing humans, eventually reaching all modern populations while carrying both genetic heritage and, more importantly, the capacity for divine guidance.

There were no humans before Adam (as)

My question to scholars and knowledgeable community members: Does Islam allow for this interpretation?

as said above, partially.

Are there existing scholarly positions that address the Adam narrative in ways compatible with evolutionary science? I ask because this represents my final checkpoint - if this issue can be resolved while maintaining intellectual honesty, I am prepared to take shahada immediately.

As said before, there are niches and gray areas in Islaam where there isn't revealed much about, so we just dont know, but there are also niches and gray areas within science, and evolution theory is definitely such a gray area.
We take what we can from science, we know that evolution theory can be used to answer some but certainly not all questions and we work with that. We dont need to believe in evolution theory as factually true because it will change eventually with time.

I approach this question with the same sincere seeking that the Quran honors in its accounts of Abraham and the angels - not from arrogance, but from genuine desire to reconcile faith with knowledge. Any guidance would be deeply appreciated.


JazakAllahu khairan for your time and consideration.

 

[Marwan-Maroc]

Peace and blessings of God be upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, there is no god but God.

Evolution never happened. It’s falsehood.

Anyone who believes it is a kaffir.

Since the Glorious Quran says the first human was created by God in the heavens.

God created the first human in front of Him. Anything else is falsehood.

All reason says so. All common sense. The Glorious Quran says so. Truth says so.

No human evolved from an ape.

Let the atheists believe in that, they are fools anyway.

God is the Most Great, from Him we came, to Him we shall return.

 

[caleb32455]

Peace and blessings of God be upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, there is no god but God.

Evolution never happened. It’s falsehood.

Anyone who believes it is a kaffir.

Since the Glorious Quran says the first human was created by God in the heavens.

God created the first human in front of Him. Anything else is falsehood.

All reason says so. All common sense. The Glorious Quran says so. Truth says so.

No human evolved from an ape.

Let the atheists believe in that, they are fools anyway.

God is the Most Great, from Him we came, to Him we shall return.

thats quite the claim with absolutely no evidence to back it up, evolution is an observed fact just like gravity. saying whoever believes in it is kafir insinuates that the quran is not from god because god cant be ignorant about facts. ah and btw laws of evolution is used in the development of the very anti biotics you use. used in agriculture used in so many things you use on your everyday life so its not just a wild claim waiting to be tested . its a factual phenomena that we have laws for to utilize for our everyday use. so my advice to you is dont make wild claims about topics you dont understand because this works against islam, not for it. and i mean this on the most sincere way.

 

[Ümit]

Hello caleb,

I need to say that I do not support Marwans reaction. That is not a very islamic way to react to people who are just seeking for answers.
Islam does not allow us to attack (verbally or physically) people who just mind their own business and do not show agression towards us.
So I'm sorry for that.

However, neither do I agree with you about what you wrote in your last post. You need to get your facts straight:

thats quite the claim with absolutely no evidence to back it up, evolution is an observed fact just like gravity.

Please support evidence for this.
Evolution supposedly takes thousands, if not millions years to take place...so who exactly observed that?
You are probably gonna refer to Darwins finches which is a form of micro-evolution. Animals are capable of adapting themselves to their environment. This can be done within 3 generation rather than thousands of years. Besides, they do not turn into hawks or chickens, let alone into cats.
About gravity. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they still stand before a mystery when it comes to gravity. Yes, we obviously observe its effects, but we still cannot explain what causes it.
Is it like "a force that acts instantaneously between objects" (Newtons view) or "a curvature of spacetime caused by mass and energy" (Einsteins view)? You tell me.

saing whoever believes in it is kafir insinuates that the quran is not from god because god cant be ignorant about facts.

Facts do not prove nor disprove God. We need to stop this childish behaviour. And like I said in my previous post: Facts are just an approximation of the absolute truth. What we consider as facts can be something laughable at within couple of years.

ah and btw laws of evolution

Laws? since when do we consider evolution as a law?

is used in the development of the very anti biotics you use. used in agriculture used in so many things you use on your everyday life so its not just a wild claim waiting to be tested .

Please provide evidence. a link to a genuine article would be enough.

its a factual phenomena that we have laws for to utilize for our everyday use.

Yes we have.

so my advice to you is dont make wild claims about topics you dont understand

Again, I do not support his reaction towards you, but your claims are just as wild as his.

because this works against islam, not for it. and i mean this on the most sincere way.

I appreciate the sincerity, however the acts of one individual should not have any bearing on Islaam.
It is wrong to think: "He acts in such a wrong way, because Islaam taught him that".

 

[Ümit]

We are still here to help you in your search for the truth. Do not get discouraged or distracted because of bad reactions from certain people. Stay objective in your search for the truth. There are enough people here willingly to help you with your questions.

 

[caleb32455]

Hello caleb,

I need to say that I do not support Marwans reaction. That is not a very islamic way to react to people who are just seeking for answers.
Islam does not allow us to attack (verbally or physically) people who just mind their own business and do not show agression towards us.
So I'm sorry for that.

However, neither do I agree with you about what you wrote in your last post. You need to get your facts straight:

Please support evidence for this.
Evolution supposedly takes thousands, if not millions years to take place...so who exactly observed that?
You are probably gonna refer to Darwins finches which is a form of micro-evolution. Animals are capable of adapting themselves to their environment. This can be done within 3 generation rather than thousands of years. Besides, they do not turn into hawks or chickens, let alone into cats.
About gravity. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they still stand before a mystery when it comes to gravity. Yes, we obviously observe its effects, but we still cannot explain what causes it.
Is it like "a force that acts instantaneously between objects" (Newtons view) or "a curvature of spacetime caused by mass and energy" (Einsteins view)? You tell me.

Facts do not prove nor disprove God. We need to stop this childish behaviour. And like I said in my previous post: Facts are just an approximation of the absolute truth. What we consider as facts can be something laughable at within couple of years.

Laws? since when do we consider evolution as a law?

Please provide evidence. a link to a genuine article would be enough.


Yes we have.

Again, I do not support his reaction towards you, but your claims are just as wild as his.

I appreciate the sincerity, however the acts of one individual should not have any bearing on Islaam.
It is wrong to think: "He acts in such a wrong way, because Islaam taught him that".

I very much respect the way you conduct this issue. you were very respectful and thoughtful so thank you for that. you're just confused about the difference between a natural phenomena and a theory explaining this very natural phenomena. you can't say evolution is not true because i poked hole in the theory(which is an acceptable scientific approach to say hey data don't line up) but that wouldnt disprove the phenomena. einstein didnt make newton obselete and quantum mechanics didnt make einstein obselete their laws and theories are true to this day. while newtons laws are only true on earth. theory of relativity is true on large objects in the cosmos. they both complete our understanding on a natural phenomena which is gravity for example and there work complete each other.same with evolution evolution is absolutely a natural phenomena and we came along way since darwin darwin didn't know geneology for example, we do so we make the picture of evolution more complete, not less. and as for how can we observe it through multiple areas, fossil records genetic sequencing there are many many proofs and and as I said practical application for it to be dismissed as a mere possibility. it is there and it is true. and here's a scientific paper to give you an idea on how evolution actually is helping us understant ourselves better improve medicine for us

Darwinian evolution in the genealogy of haemoglobin - Nature

Frequencies of mutations between reconstructed ancestor and descendant sequences of codons for metazoan globin chains show that natural selection guided protein evolution. Mutations which improved haemoglobin function were accepted at an accelerated rate in the first vertebrates. Rates...

www.nature.com

so what you're doing is hoping that evolution somehow changes is not the right approach because new evidence support it everyday its a huge field of science and if you want specific proofs is 99% of our genes are shared with chimpanzees. fossil records of different human species like neanderthals homo erectus homo habilis. intermarriage between us homo sapiens and other homo species as we have traces of neanderthal dna in our very body

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1040618212001085

and the things i mentioned above are data are facts so yeah evolution is an established fact as a phenomena. and i accept that god guided it. but calling me kafir because i believe data? thats dangerous to islam. again you are a very respectable person and you were one of the people who made me take the final step of shahada so thank you.

its just ive spent years studying and islam felt like home to me. because it respected my curious nature. so i am heavily invested in islam so when someone tries to contradict stated facts to protect an interpretation that might be wrong i get mad, not because he called me kafir but because i put islam in high regard that people like those dont give islam the justice it deserves.
also you say scientists might be wrong and i say so does scholars interpretation it might also be wrong. so we have to see where the facts are at and thats the islamic tradition i fell in love with.

 

[Ümit]

I very much respect the way you conduct this issue. you were very respectful and thoughtful so thank you for that.

thank you very much

you're just confused about the difference between a natural phenomena and a theory explaining this very natural phenomena.

??

you can't say evolution is not true because i poked hole in the theory

I never said that. I didn't utter anything about the truthness of the evolution theory. I just stated what a theory means in science.
In science we do not just believe in a theory. any theory. We accept that it has its flaws, we accept that in the near future we propably find new things which prove or disprove it or some aspects of it, but for now, it does answer a lot of questions and it is the best explanation we have today so we stick to it for now. That is a theory. nothing more, nothing less.

(which is an acceptable scientific approach to say hey data don't line up) but that wouldnt disprove the phenomena.

Which phenomena? where did I disprove any phenomena? The phenomena we are talking about is the various life forms we see around us. And we try to explain that variety with evolution. I never denied this phenomena.
Brother calm down. You are all over the place. We are not your enemy. I am just trying to point out how you should see these things.

einstein didnt make newton obselete and quantum mechanics didnt make einstein obselete

not obsolete. I never said that. It was however incomplete...limited.
we still use Newtons laws nowadays...its easy, intuitive comprehendable and still very accurate in our daily lives. We do not need those complex formulas Einstein discovered when we want to calculate the speed of a cruising plane.
We can do that of course, but we will get an overshoot on accuracy we do not even want to know. In the same way if you want to calculate the speed of an electron in a certain environment, you cannot get enough accuracy with only the laws of Newton.

their laws and theories are true to this day. while newtons laws are only true on earth.

Becauce it covers only a part of the bigger picture.

theory of relativity is true on large objects in the cosmos

No. Newtons laws is true on large objects. You can perfecly calculate gravitational forces of stars or orbits of planets with just Newtonian Laws. It doesn't apply on quantum mechanics however, because it isn't accurate enough. Einsteins theory is more complete and it applies for both sides...however using his formulas in everyday life is like shooting pigeons with a cannon.

they both complete our understanding on a natural phenomena which is gravity for example and there work complete each other.same with evolution evolution is absolutely a natural phenomena

nope. The phenomena is the rich variety of lifeforms present on Earth. And evolution is an attempt to explain that.

and we came along way since darwin darwin didn't know geneology for example, we do so we make the picture of evolution more complete, not less.

as I said...there are massive hole in the theory of evolution. We know that. And we accept it because we do not have a better explanation without involving God....and it answers a lot of questions.

and as for how can we observe it through multiple areas, fossil records genetic sequencing there are many many proofs and and as I said practical application for it to be dismissed as a mere possibility. it is there and it is true. and here's a scientific paper to give you an idea on how evolution actually is helping us understant ourselves better improve medicine for us

Darwinian evolution in the genealogy of haemoglobin - Nature

Frequencies of mutations between reconstructed ancestor and descendant sequences of codons for metazoan globin chains show that natural selection guided protein evolution. Mutations which improved haemoglobin function were accepted at an accelerated rate in the first vertebrates. Rates...

www.nature.com

An article from 1975! Do you know what steps we took since 1975? How many breakthroughs we have had? The view on Darwin have been changed massively since then.

so what you're doing is hoping that evolution somehow changes is not the right approach

no i dont. As said, we know it does not explain everything but it is still useful and therefore we just accept it.

because new evidence support it everyday its a huge

no it doesn't

field of science and if you want specific proofs is 99% of our genes are shared with chimpanzees.

Yeah...just like we share 99% of our genes with an onion. What does that proof?

fossil records of different human species like neanderthals homo erectus homo habilis. intermarriage between us homo sapiens and other homo species as we have traces of neanderthal dna in our very body

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1040618212001085

and the things i mentioned above are data are facts so yeah evolution is an established fact as a phenomena.

mutation or micro evolution does not proof evolution. Species are capable of adapting to their environment. They do not become different species.

and i accept that god guided it. but calling me kafir because i believe data?

i did not call you a kafir. I would not dare. And we interpret data. We do not believe in them. Data is data...nothing wrong with that. Its the way of how you interpret that data that dictates your belief.

thats dangerous to islam.

Like said...what some individual does or says has nothing to do with Islaam.

again you are a very respectable person and you were one of the people who made me take the final step of shahada so thank you.

thanks. I appreciate that. So you did take your shahadah? Congratulations brother.

its just ive spent years studying and islam felt like home to me. because it respected my curious nature. so i am heavily invested in islam so when someone tries to contradict stated facts

i just wanted to make you aware what facts are and how truth can change when we change our viewpoint.

to protect an interpretation that might be wrong i get mad, not because he called me kafir but because i put islam in high regard that people like those dont give islam the justice it deserves.

I can agree with that.

also you say scientists might be wrong and i say so does scholars interpretation it might also be wrong. so we have to see where the facts are at and thats the islamic tradition i fell in love with.

I did not argue with that. Like said, there are niches and gray areas on both sides.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

[caleb32455]

I did take my shahada, and yes I can accept your position i just misunderstood you on some areas so im sorry for that, while i dissagree with minor details but who knows that might change one day, I agree with most of what you said and i agree with the core of your arguments

 

[Ümit]

I did take my shahada, and yes I can accept your position i just misunderstood you on some areas so im sorry for that,

Im very glad to hear that brother. No worries about misunderstanding. We all have that every once in a while.

while i dissagree with minor details but who knows that might change one day,

we could discuss these points. I do not have a problem with that.

I agree with most of what you said and i agree with the core of your arguments

Thank you very much.
I am also a science person. I do care a lot about science and logic. I always look for logic behind stuff. Everything needs to have a logical explanation. So I struggled a lot with questions like this...and as i found more and more answers...my faith became stronger and stronger.
My advice to you: never stop searching for answers. Dare to ask critical questions

Islaam encourages us to learn and develop...to question everything.
Success brother

 

[Marwan-Maroc]

thats quite the claim with absolutely no evidence to back it up, evolution is an observed fact just like gravity. saying whoever believes in it is kafir insinuates that the quran is not from god because god cant be ignorant about facts. ah and btw laws of evolution is used in the development of the very anti biotics you use. used in agriculture used in so many things you use on your everyday life so its not just a wild claim waiting to be tested . its a factual phenomena that we have laws for to utilize for our everyday use. so my advice to you is dont make wild claims about topics you dont understand because this works against islam, not for it. and i mean this on the most sincere way.

The Quran says that the first human was created by God in the heavens, evolution says the first human evolved from a monkey.

Adam, peace be upon him, was put in the Garden etc etc, after having been created by God, after God told the angels and the accursed devil to prostrate to Adam (in respect), don’t you remember? Do you believe the Quran or a theory created by the kaffir Darwin?

You are deluded in thinking evolution is a fact.

So you think the first human evolved from a monkey?

Evolution never happened. It’s falsehood. Science is falsehood.

You are not a kaffir for believing in evolution, but all I’m saying, it goes against the Quran.

God is the Most Great.