the difference between islam and christianity ....

Abdullah4ever said:
An-Najm | 62 verses | The Star سورة النجم
Sura #53 | Makkah
1By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes).

2Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

3Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

4It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

5He has been taught (this Quran) by one mighty in power (Jibrael (Gabriel)).

6Dhu Mirrah (free from any defect in body and mind), Fastawa (then he (Jibrael Gabriel) rose and became stable). (Tafsir At-Tabaree).

7While he (Jibrael (Gabriel)) was in the highest part of the horizon,

8Then he (Jibrael (Gabriel)) approached and came closer,

9And was at a distance of two bows length or (even) nearer,

10So did (Allah) convey the Inspiration to His slave (Muhammad SAW through Jibrael (Gabriel) ).

11The (Prophets) heart lied not (in seeing) what he (Muhammad SAW) saw.

12Will you then dispute with him (Muhammad SAW) about what he saw (during the Miraj: (Ascent of the Prophet SAW over the seven heavens)) .

13And indeed he (Muhammad SAW) saw him (Jibrael (Gabriel)) at a second descent (i.e. another time).

14Near Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (lote-tree of the utmost boundary (beyond which none can pass)),

15Near it is the Paradise of Abode.

16When that covered the lote-tree which did cover it!

17The sight (of Prophet Muhammad SAW) turned not aside (right or left), nor it transgressed beyond (the) limit (ordained for it).

18Indeed he (Muhammad SAW) did see, of the Greatest Signs, of his Lord (Allah).

19Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs)

20And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?

21Is it for you the males and for Him the females?

22That indeed is a division most unfair!
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How is any of this proof?
 
Nicola said:
born again Christians are guarenteed salvation..Muslims are not
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Are you sure about that?


I said that too, and a christian member (who happens to be in this forum) posted this in response to it.

Your quote contradicts what James says:



Question: "Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?"


Answer: This is perhaps the most important question in all of Christian theology. This question is the cause of the Reformation - the split between the Protestant church and Catholic church. This question is a key difference between Biblical Christianity and most of the "Christian" cults. Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? Am I saved just by believing in Jesus, or do I have to believe in Jesus and do certain things?


The question of faith alone or faith plus works is made difficult by some hard to reconcile Bible passages. Compare Romans 3:28, 5:1 and Galatians 3:24 with James 2:24. Some see a difference between Paul (salvation is by faith alone) and James (salvation is by faith plus works). In reality, Paul and James did not disagree at all. The only point of disagreement some people claim is over the relationship between faith and works. Paul dogmatically says that justification is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9) while James appears to be saying that justification is by faith plus works. This apparent problem is answered by examining what exactly James is talking about. James is refuting the belief that a person can have faith without producing any good works (James 2:17-18). James is emphasizing the point that genuine faith in Christ will produce a changed life and good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but rather that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his life. If a person claims to be a believer, but has no good works in his life – then he likely does not have genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26).


Paul says the same thing in his writings. The good fruit believers should have in their life is listed in Galatians 5:22-23. Immediately after telling us that we are saved by faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9), Paul informs us that we were created to do good works (Ephesians 2:10). Paul expects just as much of a changed life as James does, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come” (2 Corinthians 5:17)! James and Paul do not disagree on their teaching on salvation. They approach the same subject from different perspectives. Paul simply emphasized that justification is by faith alone while James put emphasis on the fact that faith in Christ produces good works.

Recommended Resource: Faith Alone: The Evangelical Doctrine of Justification by R.C. Sproul.

Here is the source I took this from:
http://www.gotquestions.org/salvation-faith-alone.html
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Peace.
 
greetings and peace to you all,

The Holy Koran and the Bible were both written to inspire a way of life that people would follow. Faith is as much about doing as it is about believing and it is for each one of us to follow as truthfully as possible so that we may each gain salvation.

So if you were to ask what are the differences between Islam and Christianity, rather than look just at differences in belief look also at differences in action.

I believe that both faiths inspire a love for God, brotherly love, forgiveness, community values, family values, good morals, the power of prayer, and hope of eternal life.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding,

Eric
 
Eric H said:
greetings and peace to you all,

The Holy Koran and the Bible were both written to inspire a way of life that people would follow. Faith is as much about doing as it is about believing and it is for each one of us to follow as truthfully as possible so that we may each gain salvation.

So if you were to ask what are the differences between Islam and Christianity, rather than look just at differences in belief look also at differences in action.

I believe that both faiths inspire a love for God, brotherly love, forgiveness, community values, family values, good morals, the power of prayer, and hope of eternal life.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding,

Eric
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Problem is Eric...both can't be right can they?...It isn't just a way of life we must think about...it is either eternal life or death.

I trust my eternal life on Jesus Christ alone, the whole history of the Bible leads us to know a messiah would dwell on this earth and would bring us salvation...

I believe Gods plan from the beginning was to bring us back into communion with him and we can't do that without the payment of innocent blood.

I Can't believe a man who heard voices, those messages contradicts everything God ever tells us....those messages lead us away from the truth...

It contradicts on far to many issues from the importance of sin and the final plan of salvation....to the final battle at the end time.. these two religions have nothing in commom besides the mentioning of a few prophets names. Nothing else at all.

Muslims I believe... like to think that Islam is a kind of follow on from Christianity the last message..Christianity denys that point blank.


Christians know that Jesus Christ was the final plan for redemption..nothing else was ever needed...we have the word of God already in the Bible...The Bible gives us the prophecies both in Daniel and Revaltion that take us up to the very end of this world and they are different from the Qurans...The Bibles prophecies will be fulfilled, they will not be altered in anyway...Because it's Gods will and God does not change.
 
Abd'Majid said:

:peace:
can you prove that drinking poison doesnt harm a christian believer?
:peace:
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Actually I do know of a Muslim in Pakistan who was posioned in a drink by his auntie when he became a Christian and gave his life to Jesus, the posion had no affect on him. She chased him out of the house when she realised that it hadn't worked.

With faith in Jesus you can overcome anything at all. I know people who have been healed of cancer with only weeks to live also.
 
Nicola said:
Not I...but Jesus tells us this.
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The point is that you can't prove anyhow if you're going to die the next moment whether you're going to heaven or hell. You simply don't have tangible, physical proof. If you can show me you have a ticket with you, signed by God Himself, saying that you're a recipient of Paradise, I'd even consider it. The problem is you don't have it and you can't prove it.
 
We know Christ was lashed and tortured by the Romans. We know Christ was nailed to the cross.

We also know this was very painfull.

To emphasise: THIS WAS VERY PAINFULL.

Christains believe, the GREAT PAIN was suffered to wipe away the sins of all people.

Therefore if you sin, it is the same as if you were a Roman soldier driving a nail into his hand. And if you follow the teaching of Christ, you will not sin.

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nimrod said:
Snake Legs, “did Mohammad teach this? I mean is it in the Qur’an or is this from a hadith?”

Read this thread http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-islam/20274-true.html and tell me what you think. It is also helpful to read the entire page in the link Amani provided:
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=22809&dgn=4

Thanks
Nimrod
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nimrod,
i have read some of the material you gave the links for and yes, i think you are right...at least according to a number of hadiths.
 
Snake Legs, Thanks for the reply, judging from a few replies I had wondered if anyone had read the links.

Ad-Da’iyah and Muslim Soldier, did you not read the links I provided?

Ansar Al-‘Adl, Jesus refused to stone the adulteress, what do you make of that? (Jesus fulfilled and completed the time of the Law, that is why we were given the New Testament)

I don’t want to side track the thread, so I won’t say much more than that.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Greetings and peace Nicola,

Perceived truth and beliefs cause mankind so much grief, there is probably as much disagreement about truth between all the Christian denominations as there are between Christians and non- Christians.

Like you I trust my eternal salvation on Jesus Christ, but as we journey through life we come into contact with people of many diverse beliefs and no beliefs. I have friends and family who do not share my beliefs, and I would like to believe they can also gain salvation.

God chooses whom he wills, God knows the truth and he will judge each one of us. I believe there is the need to pray for each other that we may all gain salvation.

People of all faiths die to sin in some way, we each rely on God’s mercy to forgive us and grant us salvation.

In the spirit of praying to a forgiving God

Eric
 
nimrod said:
Snake Legs, Thanks for the reply, judging from a few replies I had wondered if anyone had read the links.

Ad-Da’iyah and Muslim Soldier, did you not read the links I provided?

Ansar Al-‘Adl, Jesus refused to stone the adulteress, what do you make of that? (Jesus fulfilled and completed the time of the Law, that is why we were given the New Testament)

I don’t want to side track the thread, so I won’t say much more than that.

Thanks
Nimrod
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just to confuse the matter a little more. this is the signature of one of the members, R_Mujahed.

Forgive Him Who Wrongs You;
Join Him Who Cuts You Off;
Do Good To Him Who Does Evil To You;
And Speak The Truth Even If It Be Against Yourself.
Inscribed On The Prophets (PBUH) Sword

this does not sound like the words of the same mohammad quoted in some of those hadiths, does it?
 
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Askm.I would like to advice my fellow friends and those from christianity to find and read the Gospel of Barnabas. Insyaallah it will throw some lights to this issue.Wallahuaklam
 
Nastain said:
Askm.I would like to advice my fellow friends and those from christianity to find and read the Gospel of Barnabas. Insyaallah it will throw some lights to this issue.Wallahuaklam
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

The Gospel of Barnabas is a work purporting to be a depiction of the life of Jesus by his disciple Barnabas. The two earliest known manuscripts have been dated to the late sixteenth century, and are written in Italian and in Spanish; although the Spanish version survives now only in an eighteenth century copy. It is about the same length as the four canonical gospels put together (the Italian manuscript has 222 chapters); with the bulk being devoted to an account of Jesus' ministry, much of it harmonised from accounts also found in the canonical gospels. In some, but not all, respects it conforms to the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins; and consequently its authorship and textual history remain the subject of continued controversy.

The Gospel is considered by the majority of academics (including Christians and some Muslims) to be late, pseudepigraphical and a pious fraud; however, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work edited to conform to Islam, perhaps Gnostic (Cirillo, Ragg) or Ebionite (Pines) or Diatessaronic (Joosten), and some Muslim scholars consider it genuine. Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus; Islamic views are treated below.​
 
Nastain said:
Askm.I would like to advice my fellow friends and those from christianity to find and read the Gospel of Barnabas. Insyaallah it will throw some lights to this issue.Wallahuaklam
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I can understand Islam wanting to cling on to anything to do with Christianity but anyone who studies the Gospel of Barnabas will clearly see it is a fake gospel.
 
HeiGou said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas
The Gospel of Barnabas is a work purporting to be a depiction of the life of Jesus by his disciple Barnabas. The two earliest known manuscripts have been dated to the late sixteenth century, and are written in Italian and in Spanish; although the Spanish version survives now only in an eighteenth century copy. It is about the same length as the four canonical gospels put together (the Italian manuscript has 222 chapters); with the bulk being devoted to an account of Jesus' ministry, much of it harmonised from accounts also found in the canonical gospels. In some, but not all, respects it conforms to the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins; and consequently its authorship and textual history remain the subject of continued controversy.

The Gospel is considered by the majority of academics (including Christians and some Muslims) to be late, pseudepigraphical and a pious fraud; however, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work edited to conform to Islam, perhaps Gnostic (Cirillo, Ragg) or Ebionite (Pines) or Diatessaronic (Joosten), and some Muslim scholars consider it genuine. Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus; Islamic views are treated below.​
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Nicola said:
I can understand Islam wanting to cling on to anything to do with Christianity but anyone who studies the Gospel of Barnabas will clearly see it is a fake gospel.
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Hahah. You people do not want to belive it because it shows the true christianity. The unaltered, not edited, orignal christiaity. The same as shown by the Quran. Hence, you stamp it FAKE!
 

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