the difference between islam and christianity ....

[- Qatada -]

Yes they do contradict the Quran...though I expect these scriptures have been tampered with..:rollseyes

You never know, are there actually any of the original hebrew scriptures remaining?

 

[Muslim Soldier]

I don't think that abolishing was a word I used. It certainly is the same as changing. I understand the logic for God revealing the verses He did in the order He did. That is not the point. Your Brother wondered if people got upset at Christianity changing all the time. Well weren't Muhammed's followers the best of Muslims? It did not seem to bother them that God had a plan that they could not make out clearly. They understood. Why would it upset anyone?

And there comes the major difference. Muhammad was sent by God. The Popes and Bishps aint.

 

[Muslim Soldier]

Can I have some instances please...Because True Christianity cannot adapt to modern society...it is a radical religion.
Any alteration in the doctrine has been done by man..and is not the word of God...only a fool would follow such man made doctrine.
God never changes..Those plans and prophecies bring us right up until the end of this world they still stand and will happen...Daniel, Zechariah, Luke, Matthew, Jeremiah, Revelation we still have plenty of prophcies to be fulfilled.

Perhaps you dont know about the origins odf the trinity. Do you?

 

[Muslim Soldier]

Pork stuff

Jews arent allowed to eat pork.
Christians accept that fact

Jesus said I hacve not come to change the religion
Christians accept this too

Maths says 1+1=2 do christians accept this?
If yes pork is haraam(forbidden) for them

 

[Nicola]

But Paul and James are men aren't they? And you mentioned earlier that the bible is not actually the word of God, so by following their laws - aren't you actually following the laws of men? (as you mentioned earlier 'I take the Bible literally word for word...')


How can you differentiate between what Paul made lawful and what Jesus made lawful?


Just trying to get a better understanding.


Peace.

Sorry I don't know if you are asking me this question...if so I believe every word in the Bible is from God and not man made....

But I believe man is trying to alter the Gods word to suit their own perversions of the flesh besides other matters..but when they do this they are not following Jesus teachings..but their own.

Look at the Protestant Reformation why they split from the RC church..

I believe we are going to see a parting within the Protestant church soon...because of the Gay issues.

It isn't Gods words that are changing but man trying to fit it around their own agenda.


I believe Paul was guided by Jesus.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

This is what Jesus tells us

Mar 7:18 And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,


(ESV) since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?"

What about strychnine?

Peace

 

[Nicola]

You never know, are there actually any of the original hebrew scriptures remaining?

some of the scriptures according to the Gospel of Barnabas..
It was written in Italian first then spanish...in the late sixteenth century.

Faithful Muslims who do not have works will be in Hell for 70,000 years. ch.137 p.319

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Mary gave birth to Jesus without pain ch.3 p.9

Unlawful to hate anything except sin. ch.86 p.199

God is a father. ch.133 p.307

God is our Father. (-no sons, though) ch.17 p.31,33

There shall be no envy in Heaven ch.177 p.401

Jesus would sleep in like manner [die] and be speedily awakened. Ch.193

'Weep not, for Lazarus sleeps, and I am come to awake him.' The Pharisees said among themselves: 'Would to God that you did so sleep!' Then Jesus said: 'My hour is not yet come; but when it shall come I shall sleep in like manner, and shall be speedily awakened.' Then Jesus said again: 'Take away the stone from the sepulchre.' Said Martha: 'Lord, he stinks, for he has been dead four days. 'Jesus said: 'Why then am I come hither, Martha? Believe you not in me that I shall awaken him?'

 

[- Qatada -]

It was written in Italian first then spanish...in the late sixteenth century.

But if its written in the 16th century, isn't that 1500 years after Jesus (peace be upon him)?

My question was if there really are any original hebrew scriptures remaining from Jesus which havn't been altered in any way, and are the exact words that God revealed to Jesus.


Peace.

 

[snakelegs]

nicola,
as i understand it you go to hell if you don't believe jesus is god?
what if you live in rural china and have never heard of christianity?
i think muslims absolve those who have never been introduced to islam.

 

[Panatella]

the difference between islam and christianity is the difference between a clear glass and a painted window.

sister i think that is a bit offensive we should all remeber surah al-kafiroon, and just allow the kuffr to beleive wateva as long as we know the truth.

I think the following rude comment also could use such a reminder.

Salaam
Christians will see the cross placed in hell-fire with them cause they took Isa to be god, may allah guide the misguided one's.

 

[Panatella]

But the 'god' Jesus did, right? Did he not order that those who commit blasphemy are to be executed?

Actually, no.

 

[Panatella]

The point is that you can't prove anyhow if you're going to die the next moment whether you're going to heaven or hell. You simply don't have tangible, physical proof. If you can show me you have a ticket with you, signed by God Himself, saying that you're a recipient of Paradise, I'd even consider it. The problem is you don't have it and you can't prove it.

Exactly. This is the exact point that any athiest will present any member of any faith. Christians can't prove this. Muslims can't prove their faith is right. No religion can. That is what faith is.

 

[nimrod]

Muslim Knight, to say "produce proof" is rather pointless in this type of subjective discourse. It becomes a study in probabilities after the fact.

You can’t offer “proof” nor can I.
I can however offer this hurdle:
Which is harder to do, write a book based on more than 44 different authors and have it fit together, or to have a book based on a single author?

I would say the Christian Bible has met the higher hurdle.

Offer me an argument that an un-biased person would accept in favor of Islam over the Mormon faith. Both faiths rest’s on the revelations of a single man. Both faiths must find some way of disagreeing with earlier biblical teachings. Neither one has a single tangible proof.

So if you request proof, then offer logical convincing proof in favor of Islam over Mormonism.

Ansar Al-‘Adl, I read that thread as it was being posted, it suffered the same fault as Muslim Knight, along with many Christian arguments, proof is in the eye of the beholder.

Ansar Al-‘Adl the closest comparable biblical occurrence you will find is when Jesus/God turned Moses’ sister leprous for disrespecting Moses. There is much difference between what you and I discussed on the other thread though.

Abdullah for Ever, quoting the Qur’an isn’t proof for anyone other than a Muslim.
As has already been shown by me on another thread, the old saw about all differences being due to the bible being corrupted just doesn’t stand up to reason.

Muslim Soldier, Jesus’ biblical teachings grant Nicola’s salvation. Now if you were to discuss “once saved always saved” that would be different topic.
Jesus forgave/absolved sins during his time on earth, what other “just a prophet” did that?
Did Muhammad do that?

Abd Majid, is all scripture written for all believers for all time? At Paul’s time drinking poison or being bitten by poisonous snakes wasn’t harmful to God’s messengers. According to scripture, after that came the time for the “Love to grow cold”. We are in that time now.

Fi_Sabilillah, salvation is first by faith, no two ways about it. Faith without works for the mature Christian is no faith at all. The point doesn’t refute anything Nicola has posted. It simply means the subject is a bit deeper than one would assume at first glance.

Muslim Knight, show me a scanned copy of your ticket signed by God, I have been wondering what they look like.

Snake Legs, your last post to me contained the makings of an interesting discourse, for the time being I will leave it alone and thank you for the information. I wouldn’t want to side track this thread.

Nastain, I like your sub-signature “anti arrogant”. I could probably use some lessons in that.

As to the body of your post; The Gospel of Barnabas must meet the same hurdles as any other supposed writings revealed by God.

They MUST agree or some how fulfill earlier scripture. The gospel you speak of fails.

Muslim Soldier, Jesus said that if you deny him, he will deny you. One of the things according to that same source is that Jesus the man was the Son of God on Earth, deny that and you deny Jesus.

If you can’t accept that Jesus, the man, was God’s son in the flesh (Never mind that Jesus the man was/is God), even though there is Old Testament scripture supporting it, it doesn’t leave us a lot of common ground to work from.

Muslim Soldier, as an aside, what logical credible, argument can you offer to show that the copy of Barnabas’ gospel the world has access to has not suffered any altering?

Abd’ Majid, I understand your post least of all.

If I have understood the teachings of Islam from what I have read on this site is that Muhammad fulfilled the exact role you indicate you don’t understand.

If I have understood things correctly, Muhammad came about to scare people back into the straight and narrow way.

As an aside, why couldn’t a divine being choose different approaches when dealing with different people and differing times?
Is it against the rules or something?

Muslim Knight, according to the teachings of Jesus, the lawful excuses/reasons for divorce is adultery only, he didn’t institute a half measure.

Jesus never condemned anyone for drinking wine, only for being a drunkard. Jesus went further and commanded a tradition to be carried out after his earthly time that involved breaking bread and drinking wine.

Muslim Knight, exactly who was the apostle that saw the vision of the sheet being let down from heaven?

Ansar Al-‘Adl, what man in the Old Testament was the word “blaspheme” associated with? Where is the word “Blaspheme” used in regard to man insulting man?

I know the argument you are trying to have here, but there is already a thread started on a different section of this site dealing with that, so I won’t side track this thread with that argument.

Fi_Sabilillah, I would suggest that your post number 78 is an argument used against Islam often, what is your response to those nay sayers?

Why wouldn’t your answer to those nay sayers, not be an equally good answer for Nicola, to give in response to what you posted?

Fi_Sabilillah, Jesus bestowed upon his apostles the right to loosen and bind things in Heaven, that is why I can, without sin, eat pork yet a Jewish person can’t.

Muslim Soldier, the teachings of the trinity is a simple result of man trying to understand a complex subject. I have posted a riddle on this site, I have yet to have it answered.

http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...st-someone-if-you-already-knew-results-6.html

When you say Jesus didn’t come to change man’s understanding of what God finds pleasing, is to a degree misleading.

Snake Legs, your post raises some interesting questions, I think they are deserving of a thread of their own, don’t you?

If you will start a thread on the subject of “What about the salvation of those who never heard”? I will offer what ever input I can, for what ever it is worth.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Nicola]

But if its written in the 16th century, isn't that 1500 years after Jesus (peace be upon him)?

My question was if there really are any original hebrew scriptures remaining from Jesus which havn't been altered in any way, and are the exact words that God revealed to Jesus.


Peace.

Your question to me was concening the Gospel of Barnabas not the NT...of which I asnswered and showned you scriptures that contradicts the Quran.

 

[north_malaysian]

Jews say those who believe in Torah will go to heaven.
Christians say those who believe in Gospel will go to heaven.
Muslims say those who believe in Torah, Gospel, Psalm, Koran, Scriptures of Abraham will go to heaven.

God says - He decides who'll go to heaven. None of us (silly homo sapiens) can say or confirm who goes to hell or who goes to heaven becoz:

1) we are stupid creatures, not as genius as God.
2) God created heaven and hell, so ONLY GOD dcides who will go in ither which one.

P/S:- Christians, whatever u r saying about divinity of Christ - it has NO EFFECT UPON US MUSLIMS in this forum. It's like saying Pyramids in Giza were built by the Eskimos. No one would believe it.

 

[Mohsin]

Your question to me was concening the Gospel of Barnabas not the NT...of which I asnswered and showned you scriptures that contradicts the Quran.

Translation errors are bound to occur, I mean gospels are not exactly extensively protected from eroor like Hadith is in Islam. But generally it fits with islam.

But i do not confess i don't know that much about this Gospel.

1) When was it found?
2) When is it dated back to?

 

[HeiGou]

Jews say those who believe in Torah will go to heaven.

Actually Jews are a little quiet on the whole Heaven issue. It is an important concept in Christianity and Islam but less so in Judaism.

Christians say those who believe in Gospel will go to heaven.
Muslims say those who believe in Torah, Gospel, Psalm, Koran, Scriptures of Abraham will go to heaven.

I assume Christians say whoever believes in God, not the Gospel. And of course Muslims who those who believe in what Muslims call the Torah, what Muslims call the Gospels, and what Muslims call the Psalms will go to Heaven. There is a slight difference.

 

[syilla]

can a christian drink alcohol?

 

[HeiGou]

can a christian drink alcohol?

Well you would have to ask a Christian and it would depend on which sort of Christian you asked. But as Jesus turned water into wine it would be hard to see how a Christian could argue it was forbidden.

 

[Ghazi]

I think the following rude comment also could use such a reminder.

Salaam

How is this rude, this is fact.