Calls for Hirsi Ali to be deported over lies

[Muezzin]

Well what she says ought to be neither brave nor foolish but merely rude and offensive. It is outrageous that people want to kill this woman for what she has said.

I agree. I just think it's stupid to knowingly say something that is extremely likely to bait psychos, whatever religion they happen to belong to.

I assume she thinks that what she is doing is confronting danger for the greater good. And there are undeniably parts of what she says that are worth saying - honor killings are wrong, forced marriages are wrong, most Arab countries are repressive dictatorships.

True. It's the criticisms of Islam that get her into trouble.

For that matter she was clearly right when she said that the Netherlands had a problem a long time before anyone else would admit it. I do not know what she started out to do. I would prefer not to judge. It has cost her a lot and now will cost her more.

I still think all this was of her own making. Yeah, some people see the romanticism of this, and the bravery, but I just see a potentially brilliant woman who could have easily avoided this mess.

Oh they may send that Paul Bethany guy after you - you had better watch out for Opus Dei you know!

Somehow I don't think that anything you do to the Vatican will get you in a lot of trouble. The last Pope even prayed for and with the guy who tried to kill him.

That was nice of him. It also demonstrates the correct way to deal with criticism - kindness and understanding rather than trying to kill anyone who dares to think differently.

Though perhaps me calling an assassination attempt 'criticism' is like calling a nuclear bomb 'loud'.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Oh I can't stand her...i can't believe she comes from the same country as me...*shudders*.

 

[KAding]

Salaam

That women takes every opertunity to mock islam, explain the qoute surely your not agreeing with her.

Well, she says that Islam has never gone through a proces of reformation and enlightment, unlike the Christian world. I think this is correct and I think most on this forum would agree. Essentially it means Islam has remained much closer to its original message. For many Muslims here that is a good thing, from a secular point of view it is bad.

She thinks that as long as Muslims hang on to the idea that the Qu'ran is the literal word of God they will have problems adapting to our societies, since they are simply not ruled by Islamic principles. Again, this is not something I disagree with.

Furthermore she believes Islam is degrading to women. I don't know about that personally, since 1. I am not a woman, and 2. it appears to me many women are very comfortable with Islam. Although I think the principle that women should cover up because men are such beasts is unsound, if the men are the problem they should be dealt with, not the other way around.

But whether you agree with her or not, I think she is always very polite and calm when she takes part in discussions. The worst she once said is that 'by todays standards Mohammed was a tyrant'. Not very nice of her of course, and it is unfair to judge leaders like Mohammed based on the current political norms. In his time obviously Mohammed was a rightous and just leader.

None of her ideas justify the death threats against her IMHO!

Respectfully,

KAding

 

[HeiGou]

I agree. I just think it's stupid to knowingly say something that is extremely likely to bait psychos, whatever religion they happen to belong to.

Well I agree with that except if you leave the field to psychos, they will dominate. The more that dangerous people try to intimidate and murder, the more important it is that someone criticises them. It is a problem.

I still think all this was of her own making. Yeah, some people see the romanticism of this, and the bravery, but I just see a potentially brilliant woman who could have easily avoided this mess.

How? I agree, from what little I know of her opinions, she sounds needlessly confrontational, but what could she possibily say that wouldn't get a similar response? The best she could do is reduce the pool of psychos she has offended. There will always be some people who think that any criticism is wrong and any criticism amounts to apostacy. There is actually a problem in certain sections of the Muslim communities of the world.

It is a pity that debate over Islam is so marked by intolerance and threats and that criticism of Islam invariably comes from radicals who are not very temperate or polite in their approach - perhaps as a problem with the threats from psychos - who else would risk death by arguing with them in public but the extremists on the other side? But it is the case. Now Ms Ali seems to be as good as it is going to get. She was born a Muslim, she lived in Muslim countries, she knows the culture of her region, she has lived in a Muslim framework (even if we accept it is not properly Islamic). Whatever she has said has come from a background of knowledge. But instead of people talking to her, she lives under police protection. Instead of the West defending her right to speak, her neighbors demand she moves out of their building and now the Netherlands is going to deport her. If peaceful discussion and protest is no longer possible, it will be a Clash of Civilisations.

 

[Lina]

I have great respect for her. She is intelligent, bright and has courage. She came here with very little yet managed to become an influential intellectual and politician. Her friend, Theo van Gogh, got murdered by radical Muslims and yet she is defiant. I think overall her analysis of Islam is fairly sound, although I do believe her outspokenness is counter-productive. Either way, she has fought for women rights and simply does not deserve this treatment.
She has been unable to live anywhere for long simply because of the death threats against her personally. Yet she persists, I strongly respect that.

Hi,

Wow! did she? fought for womens rights?
That's ridicilous, she used Muslimas to get her where she is today and being 'highly respected' (not my word of choice).

Have you seen that documentary of those women in a shelter and Ayaan visited them to talk about their problems; let me tell you, it was ridicilous.
Every one of those women was very clear to her; to not talk on their behalf.
They had gone through enough and then you get this lady talking on your behalf and how they get beaten by their husbands out of religious beliefs and inspired by Islam, the Qur'aan. What? we all know that is NOT NOT NOT true. It's time we 'judge' people by their own psyche, as a individual instead of looking for religious background that might have inspired these criminal activities against women.

If she wanted to help those women, why didn't she? what was she waiting for? What did she do? Nothing, nada, zero, zilts, niks.

She needed a particular subject to get her in the spotlights and she missed/ignored the fact that african cultures are a mistreat against Islam and are not based on Islamic shariah but on own ideas that bring cultures to where they are today.

I felt sorry for her, for going through what she did but now we know that she has lied for 99% of her story, what's there to believe? Almost nothing and guess what; De wereld draait.

I feel sorry for her family; her mother.
May Allah subhana wa ta'la grant her sabr.


Greetings.

 

[Wahid]

She's no loss to Netherlands - Wiegel

The coming departure of Ayaan Hirsi Ali from the Dutch parliament is "no loss for the Liberal Party (VVD)" or for the Lower House of Parliament, former VVD leader Hans Wiegel said on Monday. He was commenting on the news, Hirsi Ali is moving to the US to work for a political think tank American Enterprise Institute (AEI). Wiegel, who is known for speaking his mind, told a radio programme Hirsi Ali is a "brave woman" but her standpoints are polarising. He cited her views on the freedom of education and minority groups as examples. "I did not agree with this line," he said. Wiegel said he did not think much will be heard of Hirsi Ali again once she takes up her job in the US. "That I don't find so bad," he said.

Good riddance ;D

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Hi,

Wow! did she? fought for womens rights?
That's ridicilous, she used Muslimas to get her where she is today and being 'highly respected' (not my word of choice).

Have you seen that documentary of those women in a shelter and Ayaan visited them to talk about their problems; let me tell you, it was ridicilous.
Every one of those women was very clear to her; to not talk on their behalf.
They had gone through enough and then you get this lady talking on your behalf and how they get beaten by their husbands out of religious beliefs and inspired by Islam, the Qur'aan. What? we all know that is NOT NOT NOT true. It's time we 'judge' people by their own psyche, as a individual instead of looking for religious background that might have inspired these criminal activities against women.

If she wanted to help those women, why didn't she? what was she waiting for? What did she do? Nothing, nada, zero, zilts, niks.

She needed a particular subject to get her in the spotlights and she missed/ignored the fact that african cultures are a mistreat against Islam and are not based on Islamic shariah but on own ideas that bring cultures to where they are today.

I felt sorry for her, for going through what she did but now we know that she has lied for 99% of her story, what's there to believe? Almost nothing and guess what; De wereld draait.

I feel sorry for her family; her mother.
May Allah subhana wa ta'la grant her sabr.


Greetings.

Oh my days sis, you are SO gonna get reps for that!
Well put.