Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

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czgibson said:
I grant that it doesn't say to hate kaffirs, but it does warn against befriending them.

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no acctully this verse warns of keeping them as close friends a word for close friends should i say that is derived from arabic that is to keep someone so close you can trust them with anything. the correct translation of this can also be protector , someone who would give there life for you asthere is no direct word for this in english it has been translated as friend however the correct translation would be protector...

to look for protection with christians and jews is what has been said not to do as there will be no protection...
 
dishdash said:
Moreover, let the revolutions start in each and every Muslim's heart, wherever they may be around the world. Once you have perfected the deen in yourself; once you have ironed out the hypocricies and excuses; once you have cured the diseases of your own hearts - THEN start to work on your family. Once they are free of that very same disease, move on to your immediate community.

Ahhhh... wouldn't it be nice....
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It would be nice. If it was possible

Remember the prophet (s) left makkah for a reason. Think about it.
 
Supporting justice is childish? Tell that to all the Muslim brothers who died fighting to protect their children and Islam. You are being foolish, brother.
 
primitivefuture said:
Supporting justice is childish? Tell that to all the Muslim brothers who died fighting to protect their children and Islam. You are being foolish, brother.
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No,im calling your behavior childish because you are pointing out who should be banned,when you havent exactly been behaving yourself on this forum.

If you are willing to practise what you are preaching,then carry on.

If not,then stop it,for your sake.
 
you kno wats funny its like the non-muslims want all muslim to leave the west! guess wat dat aint gonna happen!!!!!!
 
Rou said:
as for democracy it depends what you mean muslims dont have a problem with what democracy truly is and what it stands for...they have a problem with the democracy that the west sells...like the democracy that is going on in iraq right now...
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As far as I am aware what is going on in Iraq right now is that an elected parliament, with many members from all the major ethnic, religious and political groups, are meeting to approve Iraq's first full-term government since Saddam was ousted. Sounds like democracy to me. The electoral turnout was very high, and many of those who didn't vote failed to do so only because they were threatened by the so-called "resistance".

I by no means approve of everything happening in Iraq, and indeed much of US foreign policy in general, but I see no reason to think the Iraqi government is anything other than democratic. It is certainly far more legitimate (in the sense of being there as a result of the will of the people) than Saddam's regime ever was.

I would point out, also, that the whole reason for the current problems in Palestine is that a Hamas government was democratically elected using exactly the same process.
 
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ya_Giney said:
we dont hate non-muslims however we wouldnt call them brother or sister!
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I call non-muslims brothers too.

ya_Giney said:
you kno wats funny its like the non-muslims want all muslim to leave the west! guess wat dat aint gonna happen!!!!!!
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No,it isnt going to happen.

And erm,..where did you get that idea from?That non-muslims want Muslims to leave the west?

You're thinking too much sister.:?
 
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ya_Giney said:
i don't think so! the police will hav no rite to chuk us out!
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Every single study I have seen points to rising support for expelling Muslims and declining support for pretty much anything else to do with Muslims. This is now becoming a serious problem in the West. Take this one from Germany this week,

Germans negative on Islam, poll shows

18 May 2006

BERLIN - Germans are growing increasingly negative over Islam and concern is rising over the country's Muslim minority, a recently released poll shows.

"If one looks at this from a pessimistic viewpoint it could be seen as the start of a downward spiral toward conflict," said the Allensbach polling agency who conducted the survey for the Frankfurter Allgemeine newspaper.

Asked if they though Christianity and Islamic could co-exist peacefully, 61 per cent of those surveyed said they believed there would always be "major conflicts" between both faiths.

Some 91 per cent said they associated Islam with oppression of women, up from 85 per cent in 2004.

The statement that Islam was dominated by fanaticism was shared by 83 per cent, compared to 75 per cent two years ago, the poll showed.

A total of 71 per cent said Islam was intolerant, up from 66 per cent in 2004.

Asked if there should be a ban on the building of mosques in Germany as long as the building of churches in some Islamic states is forbidden, 56 per cent agreed, said the poll.

There is even considerable backing for ending Germany's constitutional right of freedom of religion with regard to Islam, the poll showed.

Asked if strict limits should be imposed on the practice of Islam in Germany to protect the country, 40 per cent said they would support such moves.

A total of 56 per cent said they believed "a clash of civilizations" had already begun, up from 46 per cent in 2004, the poll results showed.

"The clash of civilizations has already begun in the minds of (German) citizens," concluded the Allensbach Institute.

There are about 3.5 million Muslims living in Germany out of a total population of 82 million. Turks are the biggest minority and number about 2.5 million.

DPA​

I keep saying this is serious and people keep ignoring me. But it is. When the Spanish kicked out the Muslims I bet some of them said that the Spanish had no right to do so. A lot of Jews in Germany in 1932 said the same thing.
 
HeiGou said:
Every single study I have seen points to rising support for expelling Muslims and declining support for pretty much anything else to do with Muslims. This is now becoming a serious problem in the West. Take this one from Germany this week,

Germans negative on Islam, poll shows

18 May 2006

BERLIN - Germans are growing increasingly negative over Islam and concern is rising over the country's Muslim minority, a recently released poll shows.

"If one looks at this from a pessimistic viewpoint it could be seen as the start of a downward spiral toward conflict," said the Allensbach polling agency who conducted the survey for the Frankfurter Allgemeine newspaper.

Asked if they though Christianity and Islamic could co-exist peacefully, 61 per cent of those surveyed said they believed there would always be "major conflicts" between both faiths.

Some 91 per cent said they associated Islam with oppression of women, up from 85 per cent in 2004.

The statement that Islam was dominated by fanaticism was shared by 83 per cent, compared to 75 per cent two years ago, the poll showed.

A total of 71 per cent said Islam was intolerant, up from 66 per cent in 2004.

Asked if there should be a ban on the building of mosques in Germany as long as the building of churches in some Islamic states is forbidden, 56 per cent agreed, said the poll.

There is even considerable backing for ending Germany's constitutional right of freedom of religion with regard to Islam, the poll showed.

Asked if strict limits should be imposed on the practice of Islam in Germany to protect the country, 40 per cent said they would support such moves.

A total of 56 per cent said they believed "a clash of civilizations" had already begun, up from 46 per cent in 2004, the poll results showed.

"The clash of civilizations has already begun in the minds of (German) citizens," concluded the Allensbach Institute.

There are about 3.5 million Muslims living in Germany out of a total population of 82 million. Turks are the biggest minority and number about 2.5 million.

DPA​

I keep saying this is serious and people keep ignoring me. But it is. When the Spanish kicked out the Muslims I bet some of them said that the Spanish had no right to do so. A lot of Jews in Germany in 1932 said the same thing.
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Do you have a source for this article? I find the results very disturbing!
 
dishdash said:
Not true. I call my brother brother...
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I call this brother a brother even though he isnt my brother.

..and believe it or not,even though he makes fun of me alot :rollseyes i love him like a real brother.
 
I keep saying this is serious and people keep ignoring me. But it is. When the Spanish kicked out the Muslims I bet some of them said that the Spanish had no right to do so. A lot of Jews in Germany in 1932 said the same thing.
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There will come a breaking point in europe.... and I don't think it's that far into the future...
 
Nicola said:
There will come a breaking point in europe.... and I don't think it's that far into the future...
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because the reaction was so predictable, i think the publishing of the mohammad cartoons was partially to strengthen these forces in europe.
i think the backlash has already begun.
 
dishdash said:
Just to let you know sister, any avatar that is a resemblance of a human will be deleted by the moderators - that includes yours! :)

Subhanallah...
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that avatar is FROM this site..if they didnt want people to use it..and they saw it as wrong..they wouldnt put it right? i like and ill use it..and no im not going to hell because i use such things...peace
 

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