questionair for the Muslims

[Iconoclast]

There are more extremists in this religon than any other religon.

Sadly.

What is an extermist? i believe a person who goes to the extrem to prove his point .

So if we muslims were extermist the others would fail to exist so we are not extermist ...Sadly <--- if i may say

kay:

 

[Iconoclast]

What is an extermist? i believe a person who goes to the extrem to prove his point .

So if we muslims were extermist the others would fail to exist so we are not extermist ...Sadly <--- if i may say

kay:

by :fail to exist" i mean all would be muslims by now.

 

[HeiGou]

Unlike some other religions which claim that God entered in a covenant with a certain group of people and that this group is genetically better than all other human beings,

For the record, Judaism, and I assume this is the group being libelled, does not claim that.

or closer to God, Islam on the other hand teaches that no colour, race, tribe, or lineage is better than any other. Islam teaches that all humans are equal in the sight of Allah and that the only thing that can distinguish them in His sight is their piety and worship.

Like Christianity then. Fine.

1)Islam is the only religion whose sources are authentically preserved and thus remains immaculately free of all human tampering and interpolations.It was revelead to the Prohpet Mohammed SAW who was a ummi ( could not write or read ) the verses came in parts as all willed and in accordence to the rising questions of the people. the holy book of god was inscribed in ppls hearts and soul ....so that makes sence why it came in parts..

That is not true on several levels. There is no objective evidence that the Islamic sources are "authentically" preserved except in the Islamic historical and religious tradition. You can claim that but only if you mean something different to what I mean. You are assuming that "Ummi" means illiterate - do you have a pre-Quranic usage of the word to mean that? And of course several other religions have just as good claims - the Mormons for instance.

2)The Islamic scripture is free of mythical elements that are incongruous with modern man's understanding of the world.

Umm, jinns? Camels being born from rocks? Talking ants? Solomon controlling the wind? All these stories may be true in a religious, but they are certainly a challenge to any modern person's understanding.

3)The Qur'an-the Islamic scripture-is fully compatible with the established facts of science;

If you interpret it in that way - but traditionally Muslims have interpreted it in other ways which are not fully compativle with the established facts of science and many Muslims are still holding out against some well established facts of science like Evolution.

6)In regards to most of the teachings of Islam, their benefits can be easily demonstrated by evidence of the human experience and by the objective observation of facts. Take for instance Islam's ban of alcohol: statistics reveal that abstention from intoxicants alone could spare humanity from untold misery and suffering. The valuable resources squandered for intoxicants can alone solve all poverty related problems of the world.

That last claim is a nonsense and are you aware that red wine is good for you if taken in moderation?

Add to this, the Islamic pillar of Zakah [Charity]. If only the world's rich were to part with 2.5 % of their excess wealth, humanity would have tackled the problem of poverty very easily.

Evidence? Besides, the non-Muslims have nearly all the wealth on the planet. If they followed Muslim tradition and only spent it on their fellow non-Muslims that would still leave a lot of poor people.

 

[united]

No He does not. It is a parable. And "bridegroom" here clearly does not refer to a human bridegroom but to God.

Matt.25
[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.​

.[/indent]

Wouldn't the parable be pointless if polygyny was forbidden? I would even call it blasphamy.

 

[Iconoclast]

For the record, Judaism, and I assume this is the group being libelled, does not claim that.
my friend get ur facts and priorities right.
u claim to be an atheist ...right? the one who believes that there is no God. (atheism) judisim is a religion that belives in god and you agree whith them so u "belive"


Like Christianity then. Fine.
jews had Torha And Christins were given the bible which were fabricated with....


That is not true on several levels. There is no objective evidence that the Islamic sources are "authentically" preserved except in the Islamic historical and religious tradition. You can claim that but only if you mean something different to what I mean. You are assuming that "Ummi" means illiterate - do you have a pre-Quranic usage of the word to mean that? And of course several other religions have just as good claims - the Mormons for instance.

Authentically u talk about outta of holy books reveled by allah show be one person that knows his holy book by heart? we muslims have 6 yr olds reciting the verses by heart..........ALLAH has preserved it in OUR HEARTS.
and what is litercy to you reading and writing ONLY? no wonder litracy is Knowledge to me which more that to read and write.....it is.hmm how do i put it...... learning from experiance and use of the human brain... by the way as an athiest "who created a human brain"?


Umm, jinns? Camels being born from rocks? Talking ants? Solomon controlling the wind? All these stories may be true in a religious, but they are certainly a challenge to any modern person's understanding.

they exist and yes an ant can speak ALLAH does what he wills
http://www.geocities.com/islamimiracles/miracles_of_Allah_Almighty.htm
take a look



If you interpret it in that way - but traditionally Muslims have interpreted it in other ways which are not fully compativle with the established facts of science and many Muslims are still holding out against some well established facts of science like Evolution.
Evolution? .............u mean ur forefathers were monkies before ...... come
on now be serious. U R AN ATHEIST.u don't belive in god so why do u belive the sicence. btw allah told thought us science all before the word existed. search the net for islam and sience and visit the link i sent u.



That last claim is a nonsense and are you aware that red wine is good for you if taken in moderation?
"if taken in moderation"........show me one drinkers who keeps to his word and says i will just have one glass.....intoxication has its dangers ,.,,,,so it was forbidded............by the way so is milks,dates good for health.....and many bounties of ALLAH all mighty


Evidence? Besides, the non-Muslims have nearly all the wealth on the planet. If they followed Muslim tradition and only spent it on their fellow non-Muslims that would still leave a lot of poor people.

Who said the muslims give thier zakat ( poor due ) in accordence to the Holy book


We are all humans made by ALLAH .....lets just keep that to it and say we all lack perfection....

 

[united]

2 Samuel
13Meanwhile David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron; and more sons and daughters were born to David.

1 Kings 11
Talks about Solomon and his numerous wives.

2 Chronicles 11
Rehoboam's Family
18Then Rehoboam took as a wife Mahalath the daughter of Jerimoth the son of David and of Abihail the daughter of (K)Eliab the son of Jesse,
19and she bore him sons: Jeush, Shemariah and Zaham.

20After her he took (L)Maacah the daughter of Absalom, and she bore him Abijah, Attai, Ziza and Shelomith.

21Rehoboam loved Maacah the daughter of Absalom more than all his other wives and concubines. For (M)he had taken eighteen wives and sixty concubines and fathered twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters.

22(N)Rehoboam appointed Abijah the son of Maacah as head and leader among his brothers, for he intended to make him king.

23He acted wisely and distributed some of his sons through all the territories of Judah and Benjamin to all the fortified cities, and he gave them food in abundance. And he sought many wives for them.

Deuteronomy 21 talks about rules pertaining to a person with two wives
15"If a man has two wives, the one loved and (I)the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him sons, if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved, ...

And before you say that these examples are from the Old Testament:
Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

 

[HeiGou]

For the record, Judaism, and I assume this is the group being libelled, does not claim that.

my friend get ur facts and priorities right.
u claim to be an atheist ...right? the one who believes that there is no God. (atheism) judisim is a religion that belives in god and you agree whith them so u "belive"

Well we should all get our facts and priorities right. Where have I claimed to be an atheist? Where, for that matter, have I claimed there is no God?

Is your response relevant in any way? Do you agree that Judaism does not care about genetics?

Like Christianity then. Fine.

jews had Torha And Christins were given the bible which were fabricated with....

That's a response? To what?

Authentically u talk about outta of holy books reveled by allah show be one person that knows his holy book by heart? we muslims have 6 yr olds reciting the verses by heart..........ALLAH has preserved it in OUR HEARTS.
and what is litercy to you reading and writing ONLY? no wonder litracy is Knowledge to me which more that to read and write.....it is.hmm how do i put it...... learning from experiance and use of the human brain... by the way as an athiest "who created a human brain"?

I wonder why Muslims think this is proof of the Quran's unaltered state? I mean I can see that it is proof of something, but to me it mostly looks like proof that people make their children learn the Quran.

Umm, jinns? Camels being born from rocks? Talking ants? Solomon controlling the wind? All these stories may be true in a religious sense, but they are certainly a challenge to any modern person's understanding.

they exist and yes an ant can speak ALLAH does what he wills
[Link only for registered members]
take a look

I do not deny that God can do whatever He wants, but these are certainly "mythological" elements in the Quran in the sense they are not scientific and they require a super-natural force to make them work.

If you interpret it in that way - but traditionally Muslims have interpreted it in other ways which are not fully compativle with the established facts of science and many Muslims are still holding out against some well established facts of science like Evolution.

Evolution? .............u mean ur forefathers were monkies before ...... come
on now be serious. U R AN ATHEIST.u don't belive in god so why do u belive the sicence. btw allah told thought us science all before the word existed. search the net for islam and sience and visit the link i sent u.

I have searched for links between Islam and science and I have to say that I am not impressed. But that does not matter. Science does not need belief. It needs an open mind and nothing more. Religion needs belief. But thank you for proving my point - science accepts Evolution, Islam, as practiced by many around here, does not.

That last claim is a nonsense and are you aware that red wine is good for you if taken in moderation?

"if taken in moderation"........show me one drinkers who keeps to his word and says i will just have one glass.....intoxication has its dangers ,.,,,,so it was forbidded............by the way so is milks,dates good for health.....and many bounties of ALLAH all mighty

I have been known to have a glass or two but no more. Most people I know drink in moderation. I will agree that excessive aocohol consumption is bad for you, but then the same could probably be said for Lamb Bhuna.

Evidence? Besides, the non-Muslims have nearly all the wealth on the planet. If they followed Muslim tradition and only spent it on their fellow non-Muslims that would still leave a lot of poor people.

Who said the muslims give thier zakat ( poor due ) in accordence to the Holy book

Not me that's for sure. I wonder if Muslim countries have the most unequal wealth distribution of any societies on Earth. What do you think?

 

[Iconoclast]

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my friend get ur facts and priorities right.
u claim to be an atheist ...right? the one who believes that there is no God. (atheism) judisim is a religion that belives in god and you agree whith them so u "belive"

jews had Torha And Christins were given the bible which were fabricated with....

Authentically u talk about outta of holy books reveled by allah show be one person that knows his holy book by heart? we muslims have 6 yr olds reciting the verses by heart..........ALLAH has preserved it in OUR HEARTS.
and what is litercy to you reading and writing ONLY? no wonder litracy is Knowledge to me which more that to read and write.....it is.hmm how do i put it...... learning from experiance and use of the human brain... by the way as an athiest "who created a human brain"?



they exist and yes an ant can speak ALLAH does what he wills
http://www.geocities.com/islamimiracles/miracles_of_Allah_Almighty.htm
take a look


Evolution? .............u mean ur forefathers were monkies before ...... come
on now be serious. U R AN ATHEIST.u don't belive in god so why do u belive the sicence. btw allah told thought us science all before the word existed. search the net for islam and sience and visit the link i sent u.


"if taken in moderation"........show me one drinkers who keeps to his word and says i will just have one glass.....intoxication has its dangers ,.,,,,so it was forbidded............by the way so is milks,dates good for health.....and many bounties of ALLAH all mighty

Who said the muslims give thier zakat ( poor due ) in accordence to the Holy book


We are all humans made by ALLAH .....lets just keep that to it and say we all lack perfection....

i Quote from Surah AL Baqara
6
As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.

7
Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

8
And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.

9
They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.

10
In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.

11
And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.

12
Are not they indeed the mischief-makers ? But they perceive not.

13
And when it is said unto them: believe as the people believe, they say: shall we believe as the foolish believe ? are not they indeed the foolish ? But they know not.

14
And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.

15
Allah (Himself) doth mock them, leaving them to wander blindly on in their contumacy.

16
These are they who purchase error at the price of guidance, so their commerce doth not prosper, neither are they guided.

17
Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindleth fire, and when it sheddeth its light around him Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see,

18
Deaf, dumb and blind; and they return not.

19
Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder and the flash of lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears by reason of the thunder-claps, for fear of death, Allah encompasseth the disbelievers (in His guidance, His omniscience and His omnipotence).

20
The lightning almost snatcheth away their sight from them. As often as it flasheth forth for them they walk therein, and when it darkeneth against them they stand still. If Allah willed, He could destroy their hearing and their sight. Lo! Allah is able to do all things.

21
O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil).

22
Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better).

 

[HeiGou]

Wouldn't the parable be pointless if polygyny was forbidden? I would even call it blasphamy.

You think? Christian nuns traditionally refer to themselves as "Brides of Christ". No one seems to think that is blasphemy although come to think of it.....

 

[united]

You think? Christian nuns traditionally refer to themselves as "Brides of Christ". No one seems to think that is blasphemy although come to think of it.....

No. Because as a Muslim I believe that a man is entitled to more than one wife.

 

[Trumble]

No. Because as a Muslim I believe that a man is entitled to more than one wife.

As the human population is divided roughly 50:50 (there are slightly fewer men), isn't there an inherent problem with that?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Regarding the issue of whether Islam existed before the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), that is clarified here:

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=48987&dgn=4

Basically it's clear to anyone who thinks about it for a split second that Adam was not a Muslim in the sense in which the term is most widely understood today. He had no knowledge of Muhammad (pbuh), no knowledge of the five pillars of Islam and no knowledge of the Qur'an.

So to claim that Islam has existed since the beginning of humanity is a misleading use of the word. It's like me saying "alcohol is allowed in Islam, you know." I could respond to the many protestations of Muslims that this would naturally engender by saying "Of course, I mean 'alcohol' in the specific sense of 'any organic compound in which a hydroxyl group (-OH) is bound to a carbon atom of an alkyl or substituted alkyl group'. Some of these occur naturally in humans even if they've never had an alcoholic drink in their lives."

Peace

 

[united]

As the human population is divided roughly 50:50 (there are slightly fewer men), isn't there an inherent problem with that?

It is not an obligation for a man to marry four wives. He has the option. This is especially useful when there has been a war and many men have been killed. Also note that although the Prophet (saw) married 11 times, only one of the wives was previosly unmarried the rest were widows or divorcees.

 

[united]

Greetings,


Basically it's clear to anyone who thinks about it for a split second that Adam was not a Muslim in the sense in which the term is most widely understood today. He had no knowledge of Muhammad (pbuh), no knowledge of the five pillars of Islam and no knowledge of the Qur'an.


Peace

Islam here means following the laws of Allah. Today, it means following the laws of Allah as taught by Muhammed (saw) (which is where we get our knowledge of Allah from). Of course, Adam (as) did not need to follow Muhammed (saw) because he was a prophet in his own right and hence got his knowledge directly from Allah.

 

[Woodrow]

was thinking of what has not been said above ...

...it is the only religion that allows poligamous marriages (isn't it?)

I can not think of a single religion that did not allow polygamy. Some Christian denominations still practice it. Among the polytheistic religions it is and has been very common.

Islam actually was the first major religion to limit the number of wives. The restrictions on having more then one wife are so strict, it is virtualy impossible for a Muslim living today to have more then one wife and still adhere to the rules.

 

[HeiGou]

I can not think of a single religion that did not allow polygamy. Some Christian denominations still practice it. Among the polytheistic religions it is and has been very common.

Which Christian (and the Mormons are not Christian) denominations are those?

Islam actually was the first major religion to limit the number of wives. The restrictions on having more then one wife are so strict, it is virtualy impossible for a Muslim living today to have more then one wife and still adhere to the rules.

The first, right after Christianity you mean? The restrictions are not enforcible but are up to individual judgement. They are not strict at all. And no Muslim I know of has ever had any problems meeting them provided they can afford to marry more than one. The fact that somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of Muslim men marry more than once ought to show that.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

Hello

Check this website out, it will tell you about the most beautiful religion in the world, Islam:

http://thisisislam.islamacademy.com

Bye
Qurratul Ayn

 

[snakelegs]

Which Christian (and the Mormons are not Christian) denominations are those?

what makes a christian a christian? the mormons' formal name is church of jesus christ of latter day saints. seems pretty christian to me.

 

[syilla]

our prayers/salah are more systematic...

 

[Woodrow]

Which Christian (and the Mormons are not Christian) denominations are those?



The first, right after Christianity you mean? The restrictions are not enforcible but are up to individual judgement. They are not strict at all. And no Muslim I know of has ever had any problems meeting them provided they can afford to marry more than one. The fact that somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of Muslim men marry more than once ought to show that.

"The fact that somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of Muslim men marry more than once ought to show that." That seems to be a very high number when you consider that at least 85% of the worlds Muslims live in countries were poligamy is illegal. Would you give a source for that number?

"Which Christian (and the Mormons are not Christian) denominations are those?" My answer to that would be immediatly refuted as you would state they are not Christian. I was thinking of many of the non-trinitarian denominations that refer to themselves as Christian. This is one area us Muslims have with identifying exactly who are Christians. Apparently, because somebody believes themselves to be Christian, worship Christ and reads the Bible is not a suitable definition. There are nearly 15,000 denominations that call themselves Christian. If you consider the sud-denominations within them the number rises to about 40,000. Each claiming to be the True Christian and the others being false. Would you please identify the denominations that are true Christian so that we may avoid future confusion?