Does Islam tolerate other beliefs?

[glo]

I came into Islam as a revert. I was a Christian, and then a Buddhist prior to learning I was truly Muslim. I don't think I would have ventured very far into Islam, if I had been met with intolerance because of my previous Religious beliefs. From personal experience I believe Islam is very tolerant of other beliefs.

I think it is different if you are showing an interest in another faith, and people are hoping that you will convert.
Most religions show a high level of tolerance towards those who revert.
That doesn't mean they show the same tolerance towards those who have no inclination to convert.

Peace.

 

[syilla]

ways of tolerance are very subjective...

 

[Dawud_uk]

assalaamu alaykum,

to the non-muslims, peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

i am tolerant of someone else's right to hold a different belief and practices in their religion. in an islamic state it would even be our duty to defend you physically if necessary to help you in that.

however i am not really very tolerant of that belief itself when it is disbelief and i will Insha'Allah (God willing) do what i can, as long as it is permissable in islam, to change those incorrect beliefs.

this is because i have a love of the rest of humanity and want them to share this beautiful thing called islam.

so i respect someones right to believe Jesus is the son of God and part of a trinity of 3 persons as 1 person, i just happen to think it is crazy, crazy thing and want to correct people away from such wacked ideas.

up to you whether you think that is tolerant or intolerant.

assalaamu alaykum / peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

Daw'ud

 

[Sabi]

I think it is different if you are showing an interest in another faith, and people are hoping that you will convert.
Most religions show a high level of tolerance towards those who revert.
That doesn't mean they show the same tolerance towards those who have no inclination to convert.

Not so in islam at least.

in an islamic state it would even be our duty to defend you physically if necessary to help you in that.

Exactly. This is the unique thing about islam that is missing frm all other traditional religions around. That is why Sabi`een and ultra Orthodox Jews support the islamic din. I do not know if there are any Christian groups that support the din.

So I will translate the above into modern English.

Deepest appologies sir, but you have not proven your qualifications here yet with an Ijaza in any of the islamic sciences. So your re-translation is as good as anyone else without one.

Are you fluent in Classical Arabic? If so, where are your qualifications from? Is there a way for you to proove this to us so that we may consider your translation as valid?

:brother:

 

[HeiGou]

in an islamic state it would even be our duty to defend you physically if necessary to help you in that.

From whom do the dhimmis need protecting? As far as I can see they all do pretty well as long as they are not in certain countries.

 

[HeiGou]

Are you fluent in Classical Arabic? If so, where are your qualifications from? Is there a way for you to proove this to us so that we may consider your translation as valid?

Before I page Mr Pot, perhaps you might like to tell us all about your fluency in Classical Arabic?

 

[Sabi]

Before I page Mr Pot, perhaps you might like to tell us all about your fluency in Classical Arabic?

Please forgive me I am not claiming to be. There was truely no offense intended sir, I was simply asking, and if you are a scholar then you will have my full attention. The world needs more scholars.


:brother:

 

[HeiGou]

Please forgive me I am not claiming to be. There was truely no offense intended sir, I was simply asking, and if you are a scholar then you will have my full attention. The world needs more scholars.

Really? You claim to stand in judgement on Whoever-it-was' re-statement. You have heard the expression He who is without sin? If you're not claiming to be able to judge Whoever-it-was (Joe I think, and I assure you we are not the same person), why are you judging him?

 

[Sabi]

You have heard the expression He who is without sin? If you're not claiming to be able to judge Whoever-it-was (Joe I think, and I assure you we are not the same person), why are you judging him?

So sorry :uhwhat I only just noticed that you were not Joe. That is what I should expect might happen when one answers for someone else. I am not aware of what sin I have comitted though and am not sure why you seem to be attacking me here.ffended: Can anyone help explain?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I am not aware of what sin I have comitted though and am not sure why you seem to be attacking me here. Can anyone help explain?

You lashed out at Joe for no real reason. He pointed out that the verse quoted from the Qur'an had been translated into fake 16th century English, and that he would therefore update it. He did this pretty accurately, only leaving out the phrase saying 'god loves those who are just'. No knowledge of classical Arabic is needed for this operation.

The common use of fake 16th century English in Qur'an translations is something that mystifies me. Open translations by Asad, Picktall and Yusuf-Ali, and there it is, plastered all over the page. Why? Is this some sort of attempt to project the perceived grandness of the language of Shakespeare or the King James Bible onto the content of the Qur'an? If so, then why do the translators not learn about Jacobean grammar and avoid their distracting errors, which are surely unsuitable for a "perfect" book?

Peace

 

[Sabi]

You lashed out at Joe for no real reason.

:rollseyes but I honestly did not want to lash out at Joe at all. I only wished to asked him some innocent questions about his scholastic background in Classical Arabic. I would like to know what Joe thinks. :? If Joe thinks I have lashed out at him I will certainly appologize to him instead of to HeiGou like last time (did not read carefully). ffended:

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

:rollseyes but I honestly did not want to lash out at Joe at all. I only wished to asked him some innocent questions about his scholastic background in Classical Arabic. I would like to know what Joe thinks. :? If Joe thinks I have lashed out at him I will certainly appologize to him instead of to HeiGou like last time (did not read carefully). ffended:

Fair enough. Personally, I haven't got a problem with people being curious. However, as I said, no knowledge of classical Arabic was necessary for the task that Joe set himself of 'translating' from fake 16th century English to modern English.

Anyway, why am I saying all this? It should be Joe or HeiGou you're talking to. Apologies for sticking my nose in.

Peace

 

[Woodrow]

I think it is different if you are showing an interest in another faith, and people are hoping that you will convert.
Most religions show a high level of tolerance towards those who revert.
That doesn't mean they show the same tolerance towards those who have no inclination to convert.

Peace.

Up until the time I reverted last year, I myself never would have believed I would ever revert. My Muslim friends and relatives had absolutly no hope of ever seeing me revert. I called myself a Buddhist, but in reality was an agnostic and did not have much good to say about any religious belief system. I had absolutly no inclination to revert, in fact I often did my best to get my friends of any religion to give up what I considered their supperstitions.

 

[glo]

Up until the time I reverted last year, I myself never would have believed I would ever revert. My Muslim friends and relatives had absolutly no hope of ever seeing me revert. I called myself a Buddhist, but in reality was an agnostic and did not have much good to say about any religious belief system. I had absolutly no inclination to revert, in fact I often did my best to get my friends of any religion to give up what I considered their supperstitions.

Just goes to show ... you never know what's round the corner!

I guess I didn't word my post well at all.
I didn't mean it to sound like people are waiting to pounce on a potential convert. lol

Aside from whether people are looking to convert or nor, take this forum as an example.
From my own experience and that I observe in others I can only say that those who ask questions in a reasonable and respectful manner, receive replies which are polite, informative and equally respectful.
That is great! And in that sense, as a non-Muslim, I feel that people tolerate me. That, however, is me, personally.

When I read some of the remarks that are made about the followers of my faith as a group, I feel that they are very much intolerant of my beliefs.

So, my verdict whether Islam is tolerant of my belief or not, is to date undecided. :rollseyes

I hope this has explained it better.

Peace.

 

[Joe98]

Are you fluent in Classical Arabic? ……..Is there a way for you to proove this to us so that we may consider your translation as valid?

I translated the “above“ from ancient English to modern English.

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