Message to CSIS & FBI

[Ghazi]

I have figured out what kafir is. What is munafiq?

Someone who pretends to be a muslim.

 

[ACC]

Yes you can call me Muslim, as our religion or way of life is our identity. Come on you said islam is a joke so back it up. Why should I debate with the likes of Ali Sina who hate islam and do not represent the facts truthfuly much like joachim katz or whatever his name is. you rely on ignorance in your beleifs i rely on truth and knowledge. i am sure at least you can be reasonable and recognize the truth that is why i am willing to debate with you. Islam is superior to everything but islam allows you to practice your faith peacefully and a protected people no matter what a few apostate rulers do in the middle east, as they will ber brought down too.

Maybe something was lost in the translation. I never said Islam was a joke, I was using the fact that others can use serious research as well that would contradict your beliefs. It was an example. Besides, I would probably be banned for saying something like that, so it would be foolish. Others believe that they live in truth and knowledge as well, not just you.

We will only find out when we die.

But, please feel free to create the debate thread if you like. It would be interesting, and I may even interject here and there.

 

[Vishnu]

I guess when someone sais they hate the West so much and they wish it would become an Islamic Nation they really mean:

"I hope the West falls because they are not Islamic Nations, but I still enjoy economiclly suceeding because of the freedoms and systems they have in place. I love the Islamic Nations but I could never live there because I would have no freedom and would become opressed like the people in Somalia who can't watch the World Cup because it is "western"...."

 

[samobosna96]

I couldnt have said this any better. I guess the taliban was paradise on Earth to some.

the taliban did some things that were good but they did a lot that was bad. islam give a high status to women but the taliban lowered they status with their laws. the taliban did irradicate the poppy flower growth which is used to make herion, but the US coalition let the North Alliance continue to grow it and tribal factionsd that were allied with the Northern Alliance in hopes of defeating the taliban with the revenues. I do not wish to see the Talibans version of islam but rather the islam of the Prophet Muhammad SAWS in Afghanistan.

but i must go and do some things but inshallah ta'ala i will be back and we can discuss more. and inshallah ta'ala i will pst something on christianty because this religion must be understood, ask any of yout jewish friends if they consider christians to be monotheists.... the jewish people i know said christians are not monotheists but inshallah wwe can discuss this in the comparative religion room....

 

[Vishnu]

Do you think Christians are monothiests?

 

[Ghazi]

I guess when someone sais they hate the West so much and they wish it would become an Islamic Nation they really mean:

"I hope the West falls because they are not Islamic Nations, but I still enjoy economiclly suceeding because of the freedoms and systems they have in place. I love the Islamic Nations but I could never live there because I would have no freedom and would become opressed like the people in Somalia who can't watch the World Cup because it is "western"...."

Actually It turns out it was all propaganda the courts never banned the world-cup I'll post the article later on look out for it.

 

[catmando]

Oh my Hindu friend, what rights do I have in the west? These so called right you speak of can be taken away in canada for any just cause that can be defened in a democratic state. that means a Muslim is a terrorist and is a threat to national security therefore take his rights away. I have no rights here as a Muslim. What Islamic countries do you speak of? there are none, these countries do not implment islam the way iof the rightly guided caliphs so there are apostates. And islam allows people to practice their faith all they want but in Islamic state they cant go out yelling in the streets down with islam just as i cannot go out in the streets and say down with canadians homosexual values....

O Canadian Muslim why then did you move to Canada? You have freedom of speech AND religion there just like here in America. You knew that BEFORE you moved there(or are you a Canadaian convert?) What you CANNOT DO, in Canada as well as America, is plot bombings, killings and beheadings, which is exactly what those 17 were doing. You do not have the right to plot violence.

 

[obada]

peace, i moved to Canada to enjoy it's freedoms.
u said "What you CANNOT DO, in Canada as well as America, is plot bombings, killings and beheadings, which is exactly what those 17 were doing."

1- what u said is NOT true. i am sorry, but you are not the judge of these 17 men (it might be true though: what they going to do). and untill now, these are only accusations.

2- Those 17 men do NOT represent my religion or way of life, not any bodies, so dont judge me according to what THEY did. Islam can only be represented correctly by the Quran, so please, if you are interested, i am pretty sure that there are english translations of the Quran.

3- Afterall i can't blame you for saying that quote, however, the media influences people in a really smart way.

regards

 

[snakelegs]

In light of the raids here in Canada I am wondering how many of you are CSIS, RCMP, CIA or the FBI?

this is the CIA/FBI speaking.
we would like to hire you to provide a lousy example of islam so we can convince the world that it is the religion of hate.
send us your resume tomorrow morning.
thankyou.

 

[Quruxbadaan]

I agree, there will not be a legitimate reply.

Proof here appears to be that which agrees with what they want to believe. If the source says something else, it is a lie, no matter who it is from. If the source agrees with what they want to believe, then it is realiable. How do you have a discussion with someone that thinks like that? Their minds and agenda are already made up, unfortunately.

I cant help but feel that you are talking about our religious belief??
I'm simply going to tell you that you have no idea what so ever what you are talking about and there for need not post ignorant nonsense

those kinds of comments make me laugh

Maa salaama

 

[Quruxbadaan]

Those that profess lies through empty “Conspiracy Theories” Tell a lot more about themselves than there target.

“I dislike transgression and the murdering of innocent people”. Dislike? I dislike Vegemite. That is not what I feel about murdering.
“I full heartedly support the downfall of the secular west and the revival of Islam”. So much for peaceful coexistence. Why don’t you go do your revival in Saudi Arabia?
With no military how can they defend Canadian values and society. Now I think that would please you. After all, you support the downfall of Canada.
Because Islam poses an intellectual challenge to your authority. The only intellectually challenging thing I see here is getting you to face reality.

HA HA ha

i swear this site has become a zoo
i have never heard soo much moneky mumbo jumbo in my life
listen here you rambling idiot the fact that this man supports the revival of islam doesnt mean he should feel that way in saudi arabia I dont understand your logic i cant even believe that you post your idocy and get away with it
No foget getting him to face reality you need to face reality Islam is a way of life that is not accepted by western societ there for peacful coexistance is difficult to acheive
i guess people like you need things to be explained and broken down
Peace out

 

[أحمد]

Do you think Christians are monothiests?

Laws regarding Monotheism vary within different religions to certain extents. Under laws of a christian theology established in the 4th century; some are 'conservative monotheists', under the more commonly known theology system in the west; they are 'liberal monotheists', according to older jewish teachings and understanding; they are polytheists, and same with the understanding of the muslims.

If they like to be called monotheists, theres no-one to stop you calling them that, or if they want to be called polytheists, unless of course you have to be very careful to ask them before calling them by any such thing; they maybe insulted by it. I've met both type of christians; those who prefer being categorised as monotheists, and those as polytheists. Even though I hear this quite a lot from some christians that they are monotheists; don't be surprised if you come across a christian who calls himself/herself a polytheist. Theres no real difference in their understanding of God (the trinity belief), its just that some understand it as polytheism and others as monotheism.

 

[Quruxbadaan]

I have one thing to add

its a documentary called loose change
i dont know who did what in America but there is definately something fishy going on
Some people live off of what they see on CNN they hear it on the 6:00 news and it becomes real to them to those fools i say keep your mouths on hold please
put a sock in it
Peace

 

[HeiGou]

peace, i moved to Canada to enjoy it's freedoms.
u said "What you CANNOT DO, in Canada as well as America, is plot bombings, killings and beheadings, which is exactly what those 17 were doing."

1- what u said is NOT true. i am sorry, but you are not the judge of these 17 men (it might be true though: what they going to do). and untill now, these are only accusations.

It is true that the charges so far simply look like accusations. There has been no proof in a court of law. Yet from a non-legal point of view, they look pretty guilty, and their wives look even worse. You have seen their blogs haven't you?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060629.wxblog29/BNStory/National/home

They clearly did not like Canada and wished death on others. Whether you can do that in Canada or not I do not know, but I would suggest it is not a good thing to be doing.

2- Those 17 men do NOT represent my religion or way of life, not any bodies, so dont judge me according to what THEY did. Islam can only be represented correctly by the Quran, so please, if you are interested, i am pretty sure that there are english translations of the Quran.

Could you please point me to a place where anyone claims these men represent your religion or way of life, or where anyone judges you according to what they may have done, or where anyone has said anything about Islam and these people's plans?

 

[nimrod]

Samobosna, your challenge to your debate is pointless.

If I ask this simple question, Which religion is of greater benefit to the secular world right now, Christianity or Islam, and you answered it honestly, what would that prove?

How would you re-but a modern accounting of Christianity’s effect on today’s world, verses, a theoretical “Truely Islamic” state that ONLY exists in a Muslim’s mind?

If the end result is the measuring stick, then surely you would agree that Christianity comes out the winner.

Do you now see what kind of, tit for tat, postings that your kind of debate leads to?

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Panatella]

It is true that the charges so far simply look like accusations. There has been no proof in a court of law. Yet from a non-legal point of view, they look pretty guilty, and their wives look even worse. You have seen their blogs haven't you?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060629.wxblog29/BNStory/National/home

They clearly did not like Canada and wished death on others. Whether you can do that in Canada or not I do not know, but I would suggest it is not a good thing to be doing.



Could you please point me to a place where anyone claims these men represent your religion or way of life, or where anyone judges you according to what they may have done, or where anyone has said anything about Islam and these people's plans?

Hi HeiGou,
I followed the link you provided concerning the women's weblog, and "wow". Such hatred. Such seething, bitter, vile hatred. It really makes you wonder why they would stay in Canada if they hated it and the people that much.
I am glad to know many muslims don't feel the same way.
I noticed something else though, many of the comments that were quoted, I've heard somewhere before. Now.., where did I hear some of that stuff......

 

[aamirsaab]

LOL this thread is completely nuts. I've seen many threads that have the nut factor but this one just takes the...well..nut.

Seriously samo, posting this kind of stuff on an Islamic forum isn't a good idea:

1) you're askin fo' the fbi on an Islamic forum
2) too many ERMs here - your posts will not be taken seriously.


p.s;It'd be really usefull if I had moderator status for this section right now. I'd trash this thang.
p.p.s; ERM = elite rational minded.
p.p.p.s; dang snoop dog don taught me his languizzle - i can't speak proper, ya feelin me playa?