To the People of Islam

[The Athiest]

Re: People of Islam

What the differences between 'Atheist' and 'Athiest'?

Have you herd of dislexia?

I have it, my spelling could use some help also.

 

[The Athiest]

Re: People of Islam

Greetings and peace be with you Athiest; and welcome to the forum,

But why should differences in beliefs cause so much conflict, how do people with diverse beliefs live in peace with each other?

In the spirit of seeking peace on Earth

Eric

Only one thing can help us CHANGE.

What happens is people do not understand what they do not understand. In some cases we fear what we do not understand.

I believe if in schools we could teach all the world Religions and their history of origin and edit violent parts of text out and teach children about Science without peer pressure, could be the answer. However I do not see this ever happening. There is just to much social pressure in most areas.

I feel the answer will come by way of communication. The awesome ability for people to talk to each other. The internet.

We are social creatures and we love to make friends and experience new things. Today's world is the building mega cities where so much pressure on the individual to work long hours and raise a family have created very segregated life styles. I have lived in several cities of 5 million plus and have never been so lonely. Now I live in a small town and have great fellowship with the community. I believe this is the result of a slower pace of life. Time to enjoy nature and make new friends.

The Atheist

 

[The Athiest]

Re: People of Islam

I have an Atheist friend (he's ex Muslim) he's so anti-Islam. Does people became Atheist because God dont answer their prayer?

In this photo

http://www.islamicboard.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1598&stc=1&d=1150479797

the tallest boy is my uncle Lance. He died in my arms of an asthma attack. He was 16 and I was 12 I loved him with all my hart, he was more like my brother than my uncle. That night I prayed and prayed for him to live and not to die. Now that I have a better understanding of Nature I am able to accept Lance's death. If I thought anyone like a God were responsible in the least way, I could never forgive that person or God. Until that day I wore a cross and was baptized as a Christian. After that day in 1972 I threw my cross in the trash and I will never be religious again.

I am an inventor and have a background in physics and chemistry. I love science because it is learning of things that are cool and exciting with hands a hands on experience. Science has thought me why things are what they are. Science will not answer questions about what happens to us after we die and I am comfortable living with the mystery. I do not have a need to know everything.

Like if someone goes to the bathroom I think it better if I do not know what they did in there. Although I might have knowledge of what people do in the bathroom, I feel better if they do not share what they did in the bathroom with me.

The Atheist

 

[Link]

Athiest, can I ask you why are you not agnostic (don't know if God exists or not)?

If your athiest, it means you claim to know God doesn't exist, can you prove this (atleast to yourself)?

I am a monothiest and I believe I can prove God exists and is one(if not to you, atleast to others and myself)

 

[The Athiest]

Re: People of Islam

So don't you think Atheists should feel indebted to religion?

I can only speak for myself as one Atheist.

I am very thankful and indebted to religion, without it the early times of civilization would have been kayos and anarchie.

I am glad you brought this up, Religion in my view was the law and government of early civilizations. They created such a dynamic and powerful Governing entity (Religion) that it still governs many civilizations to this day.

Their only mistake in my opinion is they made it stagnate (without change) not allowing for change to meet the future needs of the followers and change with increased knowledge of man.

It is like an automobile.

The model T Ford was a great car. It was better than any horse and buggy could ever be. Yet if Henry Ford refused to change his product to make it better there would be no Ford automobiles today.

Religion exists to this day because it uses fear and faith for its survival. These are two of the strongest human emotions. This is good evidence that the creators of Religious faith were very intelligent, this is a good example of the wise mans ability to control the man of brute force.

The Atheist

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Re: People of Islam

I'm sorry to hear about your uncle. It must have been a really traumatising expieriance. and I understand when you say:

If I thought anyone like a God were responsible in the least way, I could never forgive that person or God.

I understand it, because that's a natural emotional response. However, not all emttional responses are logical.

 

[The Athiest]

Athiest, can I ask you why are you not agnostic (don't know if God exists or not)?

If your athiest, it means you claim to know God doesn't exist, can you prove this (atleast to yourself)?

I am a monothiest and I believe I can prove God exists and is one(if not to you, atleast to others and myself)

I have no need to prove God doesn't exist. All I need to know is that all Gods are man made.

Also I find it not necessary to be agnostic because if I had to claim a belief it would be modern science and science has it's own problems with fundamentalism.

As Albert Einstein said, "Science and Religion are branches of the same tree" they are an attempt to answer our questions.

Therefore I choose the dynamic faith in Science instead of a stagnate Religion.

The hardest thing anyone can do, is live with a belief that we do not know all the answers. That is why I am a minority I do not know all the answers. I only know what I have the ability to understand what is my Reality. Reality is not easy and it is not the same for everyone.

Reality and quantum physics are amazing, they are based on our beliefs and we create our own Reality out of what we believe to be true.

Let me give you an example:

If someone believes they are ill, they will become ill.

The brain can not tell the difference between what the eyes see and what the brain remembers. We store imagery in our brains and depending on what we believe to be true, in most cases it will become our Reality. So If a Religious person believes that there is a God, Heven, Hell, then it may not materialize in the physical world of existance, however it may become real in the persons dreams and after death experience.

I believe our mind effects our dreams and our after death experience.

The Atheist

 

[Woodrow]

Re: People of Islam

I can only speak for myself as one Atheist.

I am very thankful and indebted to religion, without it the early times of civilization would have been kayos and anarchie.

I am glad you brought this up, Religion in my view was the law and government of early civilizations. They created such a dynamic and powerful Governing entity (Religion) that it still governs many civilizations to this day.

Their only mistake in my opinion is they made it stagnate (without change) not allowing for change to meet the future needs of the followers and change with increased knowledge of man.

It is my understanding that you are a scientist. Does it not seem that all the laws of physics have stagnated then. they have not changed in Billions of years. Perhaps, we live with them and adapt our lives to them and use them to our benefit. Perhaps, one day we will all learn that the Laws of Allah(swt) are still the laws of Allah(swt), be it called religion or physics.

It is like an automobile.

The model T Ford was a great car. It was better than any horse and buggy could ever be. Yet if Henry Ford refused to change his product to make it better there would be no Ford automobiles today.

The car concept did not change. We just learned how to live with the most efficient method of living with it. a car is basicaly a means of getting people from point A to point B. It is still the same.

Religion exists to this day because it uses fear and faith for its survival. These are two of the strongest human emotions. This is good evidence that the creators of Religious faith were very intelligent, this is a good example of the wise mans ability to control the man of brute force.

Force and fear is a very poor ineffective method of controlling people. If people were religious for either of those reasons religion never would have lasted. Look at how rapidly governments get overthrow, when that is the means of keeping the populace under control. for religion to last, there has to be sufficient people experiencing the benefit of it, for it to be passed on from generation to generation. Look at how fast the pagan beliefs have come and gone. The Abrahamic beliefs (Jew, Christian, Islam) have existed since recorded history. Judaism was very strong. When the people lost the idea Allah(swt) sent Isa(pbuh) to restore it. When Christianity lost the path it was restored through Mohammad(pbuh). Islam has remained unchanged since the begining of mankind. there has never been any compulsion involved, except during misguided episodic times when people attempted to use it to promote their own agendas.

The Atheist

The red are my replies.

 

[Link]

Well, did you hear the end of this tape, the old guy said he doesn't believe in religions but he believes in God, he doesn't want to personify God like Christians with trinity and the many other religions who personified God, and he believes science now proves the Creator and the scientist, the many physicist are the ones he contacted and proved this to him, so this is not due to myths, imagination, it's due to his logical thinking and science today

 

[Link]

Albert Eistein believed in God and religion btw

 

[duskiness]

Hi The Atheist!

I disagree with this statement about science & religion being two branches. Faith -as i see it- starts where sience ends. With science one can walk to the end of Universe. but if You want to make one more step, you can do it only with faith.

And faith doesn't bring all the answers. Faith & doubt always come together.

"If someone believes they are ill, they will become ill." and if they belive they are health, will they really be??

You combine faith with fear. something like "You believe because of fear"?
I have seen that if there is a way to fight fear it's faith.
My parents are both atheists. I was one myself. Lol - it seems we went the same road but in different directions.
I used to think that religion is "opium for people" (Marx).
But when i needed help, people with faith were the only one i could lean on.
I know it doesn't change anything for You.

take care.
n.

 

[Zohair]

It is important to realize that videos like these are usually poking and critisizing christianity and most religions. I stress the word "most". and most of the people who make videos like that believe in a god.

I don't want to be rude or anything, but if you don't believe in a god, it is quite...not very smart (to put it nicely). to believe that the universe came on its own is sheer...not very smart (to put it nicely).

Islam one of the only religions that has not changed since the day it originated. most other religions have been changed, and new things have been put into its doctrine, but Islam has stayed the same for the past 1400 years. it is one of the only religions that has not been affected from other historical figures as people have pointed out on this thread. i.e that egyptian god, who's name was Amen or something like that.

I challenge any person here to bring one part of islamic theology that was based on things outside of the teachings of Prophet Muhammad SAW. some of islamic theology may be similar to other religions, i.e judaism and christianity. because we believe in all the prophets before the prophet Muhammad SAW, but we believe the prophets of past were only meant for their particular time period. Muhammad SAW is meant for all of humanity.

I remember going to an islamic course on islamic theology, and the teacher said not to waste more than 5 minutes debating with an aethiest because of the belief that they possess that there is no god, which is...not very smart (to put it nicely) so I will take his advice. :giggling:

 

[wilberhum]

Islam one of the only religions that has not changed since the day it originated
What a bazaar statement. There are many different sects in Islam.

 

[The Athiest]

Greetings Duskiness

You combine faith with fear. something like "You believe because of fear"? .

Some Religions offer damnation for people who do not follow the scripture.

But when i needed help, people with faith were the only one i could lean on.

Most Religious people are good people and love to help others. Athiest are few and lack a formal community.

I know it doesn't change anything for You.

Do not we all change?

The Atheist

 

[Skillganon]

Islam one of the only religions that has not changed since the day it originated
What a bazaar statement. There are many different sects in Islam.

Your statement is a misnomer.

Islam has not changed, but their is many sect's.

Many sect's does not mean Islam has changed. It only mean's some are not following Islam as it has been laid down, but following their own desires by innovation. We call it Bidah.
The original teaching and message is theire, and Majority follow's that.

We know the their will be sect's meaning offshoot from Islam. It is mentioned their will be 73 sect's and only one will go to jannah.

 

[Muezzin]

What a bazaar statement.

Surely you mean 'What a bizarre statement'.

A bazaar statement would sound something like 'Two boxes of melons, ten dinar!'

 

[The Athiest]

Albert Eistein believed in God and religion btw

Link

You might want to read these words from AE.


It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. (Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms. (Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) Following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding "Do you believe in God?" Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.


The Atheist

 

[Woodrow]

Islam one of the only religions that has not changed since the day it originated
What a bazaar statement. There are many different sects in Islam.

The concept of unity in Islam differs considerably from that of organized religions. The named sects are not the same as seperate ideologies or denominations. Islam is unchangable. Islam is the Submission to God. That is all the name means. A person who submits to God is a Muslim. A person can be Muslim, without ever being within a thousand miles of a Mosque or even knowing any other Muslims.

It is more closely like being a member of an organization and that name becomes synonomous with Muslim to non-Muslims. It is more closely like a United States Christian can be a Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Independant, Undeclared etc. and then can be a Mason, Knight of Columbus, etc. and then can add on thing like being a Kiwanis, Shriner, Elk, etc.

 

[wilberhum]

Yes, I meant bizarre, I did not mean a street market.

Islam has not changed, but their is many sect's.

So Islam has not changed, there are just multiple interpretations.
If that makes sense to you, then that is OK.
But for me, oh well, that’s of no importance.

 

[The Athiest]

Re: People of Islam

The car concept did not change. We just learned how to live with the most efficient method of living with it. a car is basicaly a means of getting people from point A to point B. It is still the same.

Yes the car is for the most part the same. However they rewrote the instruction/owners manual.

The Atheist