israel is attacking a whole city for one zionist criminal soldier!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hamas should never have kidnapped they knew what would have happend.

Hamas don;t care about me or my people
Excuse me Mr. Peaceful Innocent man!!!!!

Hamas care about Palestine at least more than you and they never kidnapped this soldier and never even planed for it, that is first.

second, he was ARRESTED by the Palestinian RESISTANCE... and by all means they have the right to arrest him and arrest even more like him, israel is the one who started this fight as they have killed Huda Ghalya's family and destroyed homes and killed innocent people after that..!!!!

you should stand up and care about this girl and be mad for her since she lost ALL her siblings brothers and sister and her parents infront of her OWN EYES?!?! "THAT IS A NIGHT MARE FOR A LITTLE KID LIKE HER" what would you do if she is your sibling sister?!?!?! you are even forgetting that she is actually your sister in Islam.
http://www.lamaggad.net/gaza-massacre.htm
i can't believe that some of you who are Arabs and live over there talking about this soldier who was ARRESTED and forgetting about all the Palestinian children and women who was KIDNAPPED from their HOMES, and all the Palestinians girls who was RAPED, and all those CHILDREN who was KILLED for no reason and all those HOMES that was DESTROYED for no reason....

they have the right to do all that violence and terrorist attacks, and we don't have the right to ARREST one zionist soldier who is behind those attacks.

why aren't you getting the point that in every occupation there is RESISTANCE...?!?!

May Allah Guid us all
 
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Lamagad your situation is very sad.

Go post some more material that will create an even bigger rift into the peace process.

I hope you enjoy the suffering of my people from Canada. I heard it is very nice there. You can just turn on your television, go on this message board and post more hate. Maybe in between you can go skiing! Have a little snow fight.

More kids will die, and more will become orphans as long as hateful people like you use my people as your tools, and reject peace.

Huda Galya is my sister in Islam... and the best thing I can do for my people is stand up with courage against hate mongers and demand peace... Once peace is achieved there will be no more orphans...

If we continue to hate like you want to do... my children may become the next orphans for all I know... but hey... Your in Canada! What worry do you have? Your set.
 
If we continue to hate like you want to do... my children may become the next orphans for all I know...
Allah forbid that happens. Sister lamaggad, Not everyone can be a mujahid. bro here is worried that his family might get caught up in this war.. he loves his family as much as you and i love ours..
 
heres a list of jewish people who are passionately anti zionist.

True Torah Jews is a non-profit organization formed by a group of religious Orthodox Jews dedicated to informing the world and the American public and politicians in particular, that the idealogy of Zionism is in total opposition to the teachings of traditional Judaism.

My point exactly! I'm not happy that the Torah was used and degraded in the way it has been, to become the quickest means to an end. That's why I focus my light on the lands that were allocated to the 12 tribes. Because even when Israel was one nation, these borders existed between them and they were honored. Even when Ezra returned from his exile to the land of his fathers (Babylon), he respected the borders, and only re-occupied Judea, because he knew it was all that was entitled to them.

What has been done here is based on greed and a hunger for power to rule this Earth. The words of the Torah are being deliberately deployed as weapons, while the meaning goes lost, and if you don't think that's an affront to God... fasten your seatbelts and make sure your trays are locked in the up-right position! That's all I have to say on this matter until October.

The Ninth Scribe
 
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More kids will die, and more will become orphans as long as hateful people like you use my people as your tools, and reject peace.

Huda Galya is my sister in Islam... and the best thing I can do for my people is stand up with courage against hate mongers and demand peace... Once peace is achieved there will be no more orphans...

If we continue to hate like you want to do... my children may become the next orphans for all I know... but hey... Your in Canada! What worry do you have? Your set.

Good post. It is very meaningful and I want peace just as bad... believe me.


My point exactly! I'm not happy that the Torah was used and degraded in the way it has been, to become the quickest means to an end. That's why I focus my light on the lands that were allocated to the 12 tribes. Because even when Israel was one nation, these borders existed between them and they were honored. Even when Ezra returned from his exile to the land of his fathers (Babylon), he respected the borders, and only re-occupied Judea, because he knew it was all that was entitled to them.

What has been done here is based on greed and a hunger for power to rule this Earth. The words of the Torah are being deliberately deployed as weapons, while the meaning goes lost, and if you don't think that's an affront to God... fasten your seatbelts and make sure your trays are locked in the up-right position! That's all I have to say on this matter until October.

No matter what civil war happend between the Jews. The land was always inhabited before Islam by Torah faithful people. Muslims are not Toah faithful, therefore it could not have been them...

Your saying that the fact that the Jews settle in a country that is the size of New Jersey where they ancestors lived for thousands of years is 'greed to take over the world'?

You sound like your making a Nazi or KKK propoganda speach...

Boy I can't wait to here your lies, and misquotations of the Torah and the Holy scriptures in October... It might be unberable to sit here and not hear complete lie from you until October.
 
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Right. Since some people cannot follow a simple instruction, I'm closing this thread.

Edit: thread re-opened after deletion of irrelevant posts. Stay on-topic or it will be locked again and warnings will be issued.
 
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you guys are offending me and disrespecting me for no reason...

were did i say i am against peace?!?! were exactly did i say i enjoy killing people and see them suffering?!?! who are you any way to say such things about me?!? have i ever met any one of you before..?!?!

abdmez since you are my brother in Islam, all what I'm going to tell you, is may Allah forgive you for what you have said about me.
Islam orders you to respect others opinions and point of view and respond decently without offending any one... if you can't follow this rule in Islam then at least respect the forum rules for members on this forum.

lavikor201 thank you very much for understanding my intention and thanks for editing your post, i appreciate that :) :)

NOW....

what i have said is very reasonable, zionist forces have arrested Palestinians (children, women and men) since the past 20 years, then why don't we do the same and arrest their soldiers who have killed and arrest our people?!?!
israel want to have this soldier back then just release our children, we never asked them for a fight, Palestinian were very clear, release Palestinians lives for his life?! was that too much to ask for?!?!? not to mention EVERY ONE even the Palestinian families who have kids in israeli jails, have asked to treat this zionist hostage well and fairly and not to do with him like what is happening to Palestinians in the israeli jails...

why every one didn't mention this point?!?! israel always wanted to fight, threaten us for an attack that will not solve any thing but make things more complicated... there violence attitude is crap... they can prove to us that they are peaceful people by releasing the women and kids... but they basically aren't. they chose to attack us instead. again we NEVER asked for a FIGHT. they are the one who CHOSE that them selves.

would any one give away his wife and children lives for peace while you have a chance to save them?!




P.S: Muezzin Jazaka Allah khair for reopening the thread :) although i totally understand why you have closed it.

anyhow.. thanks again! :)

 
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I believe the dispute over the land of Israel can be resolved to the satisfaction of all involved, if everyone can put their passions and name-calling aside and make the concessions. EVERYONE will be asked to give up something, but I know this can be done.

If I'm wrong... you can always return to the current blood-bath.

Ninth Scribe
 
again we NEVER asked for a FIGHT

Of course you did. The whole Arab world asked for a fight when they attacked Israel in 1948. Hamas asked for a fight when they kidnapped a soldier. Did they think Israel would do nothing?

If 7 Arab Nations did not start 4 wars with Israel there would be no 'occupation'.
 
Of course you did. The whole Arab world asked for a fight when they attacked Israel in 1948... snip... Did they think Israel would do nothing?

If 7 Arab Nations did not start 4 wars with Israel there would be no 'occupation'.

This "my way or the highway" attitude goes nowhere but in circles. Are you saying that seven Arab nations had four wars with Israel... for no reason? I find it very hard to believe that so many people were affected by nothing... and can be so easily ignored.

Ninth Scribe
 
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This "my way or the highway" attitude goes nowhere but in circles. Are you saying that seven Arab nations had four wars with Israel... for no reason? I find it very hard to believe that so many people were affected by nothing and can be so easily ignored.

Ninth Scribe

Oh no they had a reason. There hatred of the Jews. Israel wanted to live peacefully but all of its Arab neighbors could never live with that.
 
Of course you did. The whole Arab world asked for a fight when they attacked Israel in 1948. Hamas asked for a fight when they kidnapped a soldier. Did they think Israel would do nothing?

If 7 Arab Nations did not start 4 wars with Israel there would be no 'occupation'.
lavikor201, why would the whole Arab ask for a fight?!?! they will not ask for fight for no reason, you are talking about the whole Arabs world.. does that mean that the whole Arab world are wrong and israel is the innocent country who wants peace but can't find a partner to share the peace?!?! there should be something missing here... right?!?!

finally wene they have ARRESTED the soldier, they have asked to release women and children, Hamas never asked for a fight, Hamas said that israel should be responsible for what is happening as they are the one who attacked Gaza and killed Huda Ghalya's family...

P.S: please don't keep saying kidnapped as he is a soldiers who is fighting in a middle of an occupation... they did not go to his house and kidnap him from his family!! he was out there in his bulldozer hunting Palestinians in Gaza.. so he should be arrested and we have the right to arrest him and arrest soldiers like him as we want to stop him for killing innocent people in Palestine.

why aren't you saying any thing about the women and children who are arrested?!?! why do they have to be in the israeli jails?!?!?!?! and why the home should be destroyed every day?!?
 
Israel wanted to live peacefully but all of its Arab neighbors could never live with that.

If Israel were to keep the land of Judea and offer the land of the 10 tribes to Palestine on the condition that every Arab tribe agrees to end this dispute, would Israel consent to that? I know, it's a fantasy, but indulge me for the moment... if EVERYONE agreed to end this right here and now... would Israel agree to it?

Ninth Scribe
 
Hamas said that israel should be responsible for what is happening as they are the one who attacked Gaza and killed Huda Ghalya's family...

There would be no beach incident if hamas wasn;t firing Kasam Rockets at Israel despite the so called 'truce' they had.

They even fired a rocket into a school! What is Israel suppose to do? Sit there and take it.

why would the whole Arab ask for a fight?!?!

There intolerance towards 'infidels'


P.S: please don't keep saying kidnapped as he is a soldiers who is fighting in a middle of an occupation... they did not go to his house and kidnap him from his family!! he was out there in his bulldozer hunting Palestinians in Gaza.. so he should be arrested and we have the right to arrest him and arrest soldiers like him as we want to stop him for killing innocent people in Palestine.

He was kidnapped because he was not fighting, he was standing gaurd on Israel's border in ISRAEL.

why aren't you saying any thing about the women and children who are arrested?!?!

Why would Israel arrest them. Very easy! They were causing trouble. They were plotting against Israel.

If you plot to destroy Pakistan they will arrest you. If you plot to destroy Iran they will arrest you.

If Israel were to keep the land of Judea and offer the land of the 10 tribes to Palestine on the condition that every Arab tribe agrees to end this dispute, would Israel consent to that? I know, it's a fantasy, but indulge me for the moment... if EVERYONE agreed to end this right here and now... would Israel agree to it?

Ninth Scribe

if Israel agreed to do that, the Arabs would never allow it! Judea is home to Jerusalem... you think the Arab nations will allow Israel to keep jerusalem. Your in a dream world.
 
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That's true.

From Dr. Habib Siddiqui:
Scores of Jewish scholars and historians can be cited, including Ben-Sasson[27] and Abba Eban[28] to prove him unreliable, hostile and lying.

Let me quote from the scholarly work, A History of the Jewish People, edited by Haim Hillel Ben-Sasson (Harvard University Press, 1976), an Israeli historian:
"The height of magnificence and luxury was reached by the wealthy Jews in the lands of Islam, particularly in Moslem Spain. We know that the court bankers of Baghdad in the tenth century kept open house for
numerous guests and for the poor. Similarly, the ceremonies of the Jewish leaders in Babylonia [Iraq] and the patronage of the leading Jews in Moslem Spain, indicate conditions of ease and plenty.

"The attitude toward these non-Moslems in the Islamic territories was shaped in principle in accordance with the concept of dhimma, meaning protection granted to them by agreement or treaty… In return, their lives and property were protected and, in accordance with the general attitude of Islam to infidels, they were assured liberty of faith and worship. They were also permitted to organize themselves as they wished, and the Jews fully availed themselves of that permission.

"From the Jewish viewpoint, this conglomerate of Moslem attitudes to infidels was easier to live with than the one that had been established by Christianity, particularly in the Byzantine Empire. As we have noted above, for hundreds of years the overwhelming majority of Jews lived in the Islamic territories. Although it is possible to perceive some Christian impact on the Moslem attitude towards non-believers and even towards the Christians themselves, the moderation with which the Moslems applied this influence proved to be of great importance to the majority of Jewry over a long period. Unlike the masses of Christians and pagans who joined the Moslems over the first half century or so, the overwhelming majority of the Jews under Moslem rule held firmly to their own faith."[29]
As to the settlement and economic activity in the 16th and 17th centuries and the establishment of the Sephardic Diaspora in the Ottoman Empire, the above book states:
"A considerable stream of exiles from Spain overflowed into the Ottoman Empire. Once the latter had annexed Erez Yisrael, it became a lodestone for Marranos who wished to repent and return to their former faith…. The sultan at the time of the expulsion, Bayezid, welcomed the refugees fleeing from the fanatical Christians. As recorded by a Jewish contemporary ‘the Sultan sent men ahead, and spread the word through his kingdom in writing as well, declaring that none of his officers in any of his cities dare to drive the Jews out or expel them, but all of them were to welcome the Jews cordially.’ It can be assumed that this imperial protection and the order granting right of domicile were issued through the influence of the leaders of the long-established Jewish community in the Ottoman Empire… Success was not restricted exclusively to medical and court circles. It seems that in the Ottoman Empire it was felt that the absorption of the exiles from the West provided social, cultural and even military advantages… The exiles gradually dispersed throughout the main cities of the Empire. Many synagogues were to be found in Constantinople during the sixteenth century. In this city they settled in quarters where Jews had not formerly resided. Salonika also became one of their main centres, and similarly Adrianople and Smyrna (Izmir). The exiles also established themselves in smaller cities. Expulsions from southern Italy helped to diversify the Jewish community and increase the various congregations in the Empire."[30]​
What is clear is that historically the relationship between Jews and Muslims living under Muslim Sultans was rather amicable and, that even in places like Palestine, Muslim people did not have any problem with Jews living there. The relationship soured only after the Balfour Declaration (1917) when the British allowed European Jews to colonize Palestine.[31]
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[27] A History of the Jewish People, edited by Haim Hillel Ben-Sasson.
[28] Heritage: Civilization and the Jews by Abba Eban.
[29] For a brief review of the book, see: http://www.muhajabah.com/jewsofislam.htm
[30] op. cit., pp. 631-3
[31] See this author’s article: The Case of Jerusalem – for a detailed treatment of the holy city.
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Yes, exactly

If you wanna use the argument that Jews had that area before anyone else, there were people that had that area before Jews so that argument is bull...not to mention Palestinians were living peacefully before this...I know Jews who agree with me that the occupation is wrong...

Plus..check this out...

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30 Facts About Isreal

1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.

2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel?

4. Did you know that Israel allots 85f the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15s divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85f the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15s distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?

5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?

6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($3.0 billion annually) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.

7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's "qualitative edge" in weapons over its neighbors.

8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)

9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces?

11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it?

12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?

14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?

15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.

16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run "Jews Only" job ads?

17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a "positive image" of Israel to the American public?

18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan territory in 1948?

20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: "The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?

22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the "living stones" of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation.

23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?

24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?

25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?

26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?

27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians?

28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent!

29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse?

30) Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be.

"There is no intelligent or legal basis in history of Israeli Occupation of Arab Palestine..."~Malcolm X
 
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"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure
on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
-Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm

"I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child's existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I encourage my soldiers to rape Arabic women and girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do."

-Ariel Sharon, In an interview with General Ouze Me
 
Muslim Professor: Koran agrees that Holy Land is Jewish

Prof. Khaleel Mohammed, Assistant Professor at the Department of Religious Studies at San Diego State University, is the latest Muslim expert to say that the Koran - the holiest Muslim work - is actually Zionist.

In an interview with Jamie Glazov of FrontPageMagazine.com (June 3, 2004), Mohammed quoted the Koran (5:20-21) as saying: "Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you, and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers."

Mohammed emphasized that the above phrase, "God has written for you," is very significant: "In both Jewish and Islamic understandings of the term 'written,' there is the meaning of finality, decisiveness, and immutability...So the simple fact is then, from a faith-based point of view: If God has 'written' Israel for the people of Moses, who can change this?" He also quoted two of Islam's most famous exegetes - Ibn Kathir and Muhammad al-Shawkani - as supporting this explanation.

Imam Abdul Hadi Palazzi, secretary-general of the Italian Muslim Association, has long promoted that it is possible to be a Muslim scholar and leader and still support America, Israel, and democracy. Citing pro-Jewish verses in the Koran, Palazzi told a Jewish audience in Cleveland recently, "There are many good Muslims who value life on earth and the sanctity of their families. Israel should make every effort to support the growth of a pro-Israel movement among these Muslims...[but sadly, Muslims in Israel were emotionally and morally defeated by the Oslo Accords.] They felt that Israel was selling them out to Arafat. They need to be supported and encouraged to speak out in defense of Israel without fear of being assassinated by the PLO [Palestine Liberation Organization] or Hamas...Oslo signaled to many of us that Israel was ready to accept peace at any price, and make incredible concessions to ruthless criminals."

Arab-American Nonie Darwish has recently opened a Web site, www.ArabsforIsrael.com . The site states, inter alia, "We are Arabs and [Muslims] who believe we can support the State of Israel and the Jewish religion and still treasure our Arab and Islamic culture."

Mohammed, in his interview with FrontPageMagazine, apportions at least partial blame for today's wars to the Muslims of the seventh century: "[W]hen the Muslims entered that land [the Holy Land] in the seventh century, they were well aware of its rightful owners [the Jews], and when they failed to act according to divine mandate (at least as perceived by followers of all Abrahamic faiths), they aided and abetted in a crime. And the present situation shows the fruits of that action - wherein innocent Palestinians and Israelis are being killed on a daily basis."

"When the Muslims conquered Jerusalem," Mohammed continued, "it should have been left open for the rightful owners to return. It is possible that Jewish beliefs of the time only allowed such return under a Messiah - but that should not have influenced Muslim action...[The] Muslim occupation and building a mosque on the site of the Temple was something that was not sanctioned by the Koran. How honest is contemporary Islam with this? Given the situation in the Middle East, politicking, etc. stands in the way of honesty."

Mohammed says that Muslim groups have frequently denounced him because he is "out of line with the geopolitical movement toward fundamentalism." "What your readers must understand is that fundamentalism is rapidly becoming mainstream. Moderation is not. A perfect example is in Akbar Ahmed's "Islam Under Siege," where he points out that the Taliban are no longer a fringe group in Pakistan; many Pakistanis are finding themselves drawn to their teachings. Right here in the U.S., I present a problem to those at mosques who use social pressure to coerce others into accepting their extremism…Many Muslims stand against me for no other reason than I say that Israel has a right to exist...I in no way deny that Palestinians have rights. But this is generally not considered by those that criticize my position..."

wordofmessiah.org/muslims_4_israel.htm


http://www.geocities.com/compassionplease/IslamIsrael
 
By Joseph Farah and ARAB!

If you think you get an accurate idea of what Arab leaders believe when you listen to Hannan Ashrawi interviewed on "Nightline" or on CNN, think again.

Yasser Arafat has played a skillful media manipulation game in the West, helping to persuade most Americans that the Middle East crisis can be settled by rearranging a few borders -- by Israel exchanging more "land for peace."

It's just simply not so, as I have attempted to point out recently with some historical perspective.

But, forget the history. You've all seen the inflammatory quotes from Arab leaders when they are not on western television and talking only to their own people. The hatred is palpable. These are not the kind of differences that can be worked out over a negotiating table.

And it's getting worse, not better.

Look at what a leading cleric in Gaza had to say in a sermon just last Friday. "None of the Jews refrain from committing any possible evil," said Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabita, former acting rector of the Islamic University. "If the Labor party commits the evil and the crime, the Likud party stands by it; and if the Likud party commits the evil and the crime, the Labor party stands by it. ... The Jews are Jews, whether Labor or Likud. ... They do not have any moderates or any advocates of peace. They are all liars. They all want to distort truth, but we are in possession of the truth."

I would like to repeat that this is part of a sermon -- a sermon! But it gets even worse.

"O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists -- are the Jews, who have butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our holy places and sacred sites," said the cleric. "They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers. ..."

There's more -- if you can stomach it.

"O brothers in belief, this is the case of the Jews and their habitual conduct, and what happened yesterday, and has been going on for two weeks, and before that for many years, and which will be repeated in future years unless we stand up like men and unless we have the known Muslim position, (the position) of those who wage Jihad in the path of Allah, those who defend their rights and who sacrifice all that is dear to them," said Halabita. "O brothers in belief, the beautiful bride has a costly price and dowry. ... Our bride is paradise, O brothers in belief. ...The cost and the dowry of this bride, the dowry of this paradise, is that we fight in the path of Allah, and kill and be killed."

And for those of you non-Jews, don't think this hatred is directed only toward Israel. Here's more from Halabita:

"This is the truth, O Brothers in belief. From here, Allah the almighty has called upon us not to ally with the Jews or the Christians, not to like them, not to become their partners, not to support them, and not to sign agreements with them. And he who does that, is one of them, as Allah said: 'O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies, for they are allies of one another. Who from among you takes them as allies will indeed be one of them. ...' The Jews are the allies of the Christians, and the Christians are the allies of the Jews, despite the enmity that exists between them. The enmity between the Jews and the Christians is deep, but all of them are in agreement against the monotheists -- against those who say, 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger,' that is -- they are against you, O Muslims."

Yes, this is a worldwide jihad.

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them -- and those who stand by them -- they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims -- because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine. They created it to be the outpost of their civilization -- and the vanguard of their army, and to be the sword of the West and the crusaders, hanging over the necks of the monotheists, the Muslims in these lands. They wanted the Jews to be their spearhead. ..."

Land for peace? I don't think so.


http://www.arabsforisrael.com/
 
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Yes, exactly

If you wanna use the argument that Jews had that area before anyone else, there were people that had that area before Jews so that argument is bull...not to mention Palestinians were living peacefully before this...I know Jews who agree with me that the occupation is wrong...

Agreed that everyone has conquered and occupied territories that didn't belong to them. Israel is by no means the only people on the planet to have done this. Everyone's history has this, and we all have commited vile acts against humanity too. My question is what will it take to end this?

Would Israel make the concession of land, if every Arab tribe were to agree to end this? Means no more walls, no more terrorists and no more tears. Israel would not be asked to give up a single square foot of land until it is fully agreed upon, even by the terrorists, that the issue is over... if this were possible, would Israel comply?

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Would Israel make the concession of land, if every Arab tribe were to agree to end this? Means no more walls, no more terrorists and no more tears. If it could be done... would Israel be willing to end this?

Of course Israel would... But it won't happen because of Hamas... Hamas Militant said it best.

"I will carry my rifle until every Jew is exterminated, just like Germany."
 

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