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The "Islamic World?"

What comes to mind?

Iraq.
Bosnia.
Somalia.
Afghanistan.
Pakistan.
Turkey.
Bangledesh.

What really DOES come to mind?

A pack of 'backwards,' 'third world' nations? A Union of the dark-age nations? Yes. What happened to the Ottomans, Safavids, and Mughals? Their descendants are still around, yet they don't carry the torch, our historic figures remain in history, yet we don't emulate them.

Simple task. The "Islamic World," and you know where you are, has to pull things together. Create a comprehensive list on how to 'get things back in order,' because this just may be a last chance...
 
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The "Islamic World?"

Simple task. The "Islamic World," and you know where you are, has to pull things together. Create a comprehensive list on how to 'get things back in order,' because this just may be a last chance...
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:? I am lost! what exactly r u sayin we should do:? :?
 
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I'm looking to bring the islamic state back all I need is a plan!
 
islam-truth said:
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I'm looking to bring the islamic state back all I need is a plan!
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huh:? and how do u do dat bro i mean bring back da islamic state! u cant do it all by ur self u would need alot of pple and a very good plan super great
plan
 
Angel said:
huh:? and how do u do dat bro i mean bring back da islamic state! u cant do it all by ur self u would need alot of pple and a very good plan super great
plan
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Start a new society somewhere new far away, and implament the sharia and invite people to live there if they want to. It's quit simple I'm suprised someone hasn't done it yet.
 
Start a new society somewhere new far away, and implament the sharia and invite people to live there if they want to. It's quit simple I'm suprised someone hasn't done it yet.
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Yeah. I also had that thought once. Go buy the cheapest little island for $50 and start a new life, a new society, my own utopia. No one has done it yet because its impossible. Say, you create your own nation, weeks later, someone will invade you and take it from you, simple as that!
 
Dahir said:
Yeah. I also had that thought once. Go buy the cheapest little island for $50 and start a new life, a new society, my own utopia. No one has done it yet because its impossible. Say, you create your own nation, weeks later, someone will invade you and take it from you, simple as that!
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$50 for an island what the... and secondly if anyone invades it's jihad it's possable all we need is a plan.
 
There is so much depth in small statements. Most of it comes from our limited perception as to what we are to be related to what we were. I think there are two seperate questions and both questions are overlappeing.

One question is "What can we do to restore the Ummah to what it was?" The other question is "What can we do to bring the ummah to what it
it is to become?"

The final desire of both is the same, but both quests require different tools and different approaches. I think we are in the transistion stage. Although many of us may be trying for the same goals, we have difficulting in seeing the approaches used by our brothers and sisters. We need to look and see what is the best future and what is the best approach using todays available tools.

The final goals will never change, but we do need to carefully examine and see what is the best means for todays conditions.

I think we need to view the actions of each of us and not so much criticize how we each differ in each part of the world, but see how our goals are similar.

If a man in Baghdad travels to Mecca he will have to take a different route then a man who travels from London. Perhaps we need to see that our role in the Ummah is not so much how we travel, but to assist each other in traveling.

A man living in London may have different needs and need to use different methods to achieve what a man living in Baghdad needs, in order for both to achieve the same goal.

We need to always keep the Qur'an close, not just close physicaly, but close in our hearts and minds. We need to know and understand how it applies at this moment, in this place and specificaly for each of us.
 
If a man in Baghdad travels to Mecca he will have to take a different route then a man who travels from London. Perhaps we need to see that our role in the Ummah is not so much how we travel, but to assist each other in traveling.
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Wonderfully put! But, the remaining question is? Will the two men ever realize their importance to one another? They are both ignorant to their strengths.
 
islam-truth said:
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Start a new society somewhere new far away, and implament the sharia and invite people to live there if they want to. It's quit simple I'm suprised someone hasn't done it yet.
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hmmm on the surface while that might sound like a plan.... isn't that what the zionist movement did in an attempt to solve Europe's Jewish Question? I suppose success depends upon what piece of land you choose for this plan.

If it is already inhabitated by people you don't want there or who don't wish to be under a Sharia authority...who will resist (as would be expected) then what? without an incredible amount of what is preceived to be backing from powers greater within the world community.... how would you propose sidestepping the result that has yet to resolve itself in Palestine?
 
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Wonderfully put! But, the remaining question is? Will the two men ever realize their importance to one another? They are both ignorant to their strengths.
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Asalaamu Alaikum Dahir,

Woderfully said. I believe you just identified our greatest need. We need to see each others strengths and stop viewing what is different as weakness.
 
how would you propose sidestepping the result that has yet to resolve itself in Palestine?
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We were just dreaming there for a minute of a perfect world.;D

We didn't really recognize the real impact of the sitaution in its entirety.

We're like those kids in the classroom who laugh at war videos, and you are here to enlighten us about the casualties, the cost, the mental impact, and effects of war. Please, continue to enlighten us about our island situation.:thankyou:
 
Dahir said:
We were just dreaming there for a minute of a perfect world.;D

We didn't really recognize the real impact of the sitaution in its entirety.

We're like those kids in the classroom who laugh at war videos, and you are here to enlighten us about the casualties, the cost, the mental impact, and effects of war. Please, continue to enlighten us about our island situation.:thankyou:
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you are kidding me right? Seeing as I have never had a gun in my hand, in my whole life I haven't known anyone that has owned a gun, I am not from a military family, and I can't say for sure what would provocate me picking up a gun either for or against my country or for or against any other country, not for anyone's understanding of God by whatever name; beyond the human toll of any endeavor which knowingly would require the sword and the corruptive factors that go along with living by the sword, I am not sure I can enlighten anyone about war.

From my perspective I can't even say I can relate to wishing to separate myself from humanity either. When any group wishes to live exclusively with their own people, unless the place chosen for their singular utopia is uninhabitated, one need only consult the history of conquest, to ascertain what the price generally is. I am not sure the endeavor of war requires much enlightenment. the pitfalls of conquest have been repeated throughout history. I can't say humanity has yet learned very much. When one considers a reality of the world is that it is filled with different cultures, races and religions, it seems to me that exclusivity isn't really the answer. As the risk is that one wrong just continues to beget another.

Live and let live is my motto. than again I am not a statesperson or a corporation, I don't glory in any form of cultural supremacy, and I certainly don't believe I possess knowledge of an absolute truth or the truest word.


ON EDIT: yey..... I have edit privileges. As such I wanted to add something to the bit I bolded above. What would require enlightenment would be to learn how to live (or to endeavor to find an island where a group can live in unity) without doing harm.
 
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you are kidding me right? Seeing as I have never had a gun in my hand, in my whole life I haven't known anyone that has owned a gun, I am not from a military family, and I can't say for sure what would provocate me picking up a gun either for or against my country or for or against any other country, not for anyone's understanding of God by whatever name; beyond the human toll of any endeavor which knowingly would require the sword and the corruptive factors that go along with living by the sword, I am not sure I can enlighten anyone about war.

From my perspective I can't even say I can relate to wishing to separate myself from humanity either. When any group wishes to live exclusively with their own people, unless the place chosen for their singular utopia is uninhabitated, one need only consult the history of conquest, to ascertain what the price generally is. I am not sure the endeavor of war requires much enlightenment. the pitfalls of conquest have been repeated throughout history. I can't say humanity has yet learned very much. When one considers a reality of the world is that it is filled with different cultures, races and religions, it seems to me that exclusivity isn't really the answer. As the risk is that one wrong just continues to beget another.

Live and let live is my motto. than again I am not a statesperson or a corporation, I don't glory in any form of cultural supremacy, and I certainly don't believe I possess knowledge of an absolute truth or the truest word.


ON EDIT: yey..... I have edit privileges. As such I wanted to add something to the bit I bolded above. What would require enlightenment would be to learn how to live (or to endeavor to find an island where a group can live in unity) without doing harm.
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Michele, YOU, you're so worldly and intelligent, only if I was ever capable writing a paragraph, see, 5 bucks says I won't go further than 2 lines at most.
 
yh i think u can mayb count me in, evn though i hav no idea how u guys can actualy do dat ,oh wel anywaz count me in:) :)
 
Hmmm. I don't think any new islamic states with sharia law are going to be starting up any time soon.
 

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