Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

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If you had to choose, which would you owe your 1st allegiance to?

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Abd'Majid said:
bro thats the problem, no-one accepts a caliphah. No one seems good enough,if everyone would just accept one man as there Kaliphah then we might have been able to do something...
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If only a small group of people decide then thats good enough word of mouth will spread and then loyalty will be given.
 
I don't believe in ANY sort of Nationalism.

We are mammals after all. A "country" is just a large piece of dirt and grass with a flag sticking out of its soil, nothing else. We should be free to migrate anywhere as we please without checkpoints or borders. But, the British thought it a good idea to make the rules extra rigid as to who owns what and we foolishly follow along.
 
islam-truth said:
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Every nation needs a leader, the ummah is weak at the moment and all I hear is "Calipha!,Calipha!"
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and i will never stop calling for that, im getting more desperate by the day! Im actually startin to get these urges to see if the taliban is worthy of Kaliph!

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Abd'Majid said:
and i will never stop calling for that, im getting more desperate by the day! Im actually startin to get these urges to see if the taliban is worthy of Kaliph!

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I sometimes think are we muslims just stupid I mean the laws are there how come they aint implamented.
 
Abd'Majid said:
bro thats the problem, no-one accepts a caliphah. No one seems good enough,if everyone would just accept one man as there Kaliphah then we might have been able to do something...
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Actually I think you have several problems. One is that every accepts a Caliph - themselves. Everyone wants to be Caliph, no one is willing to obey another.

The second one is that the strength of the West is the depth of its institutions, ideas and people. Thinking that one man is going to solve all your problems is a mistake. What happens when that one man dies? What happens if he is not perfect after all? Think beyond the individual to a rich and education population with robust institutions.

Third of course is that waiting for the Man of Horseback is reason to do nothing. As long as you all say "we need a Caliph" what you really mean is "I can do nothing, I am responsible for nothing, I will wait for God to put things right". You all will be waiting for the right man in 2020, 2050, 2080, 3050....
 
searchingsoul said:
Is a caliphate the equivelant to the Roman Catholic Pope?
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The Roman Catholic Pope is considered infallible by catholics much like the Shia leaders

khalif on the other hand is a leader chosen by mutual consultation and he should be obeyed as long as he obeys God and treats those under his care with justice.
 
HeiGou said:
Third of course is that waiting for the Man of Horseback is reason to do nothing. As long as you all say "we need a Caliph" what you really mean is "I can do nothing, I am responsible for nothing, I will wait for God to put things right". You all will be waiting for the right man in 2020, 2050, 2080, 3050....
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this is sadly the state we're in, inshaAllah wiv Allahs help we may hav a PROPER islamic state by the time im 40 :) then i'll die shaheed inshaAllah :)
 
cheese said:
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^^The ummah is not a country, thats the problem with the question, the ummah is not united, so we cant side with it really.
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personally i see so much willingness to unite but i see no banner to unite under i see no true leader...

a world full of millions of muslims and i see no leader rising...

seems unnatural..when i hear of leaders rising i soon hear them straying..or dying...

we are stopped from uniting...

majority of muslims i speak to are strong in faith or at least willing to follow truth...

so quite strange...

may allah give us strength...
 
islam come on what do get when you fight for your countrie a medal which some man made but when you fight for islam you get the greatest of rewards
 
Rou said:
personally i see so much willingness to unite but i see no banner to unite under i see no true leader...

a world full of millions of muslims and i see no leader rising...

seems unnatural..when i hear of leaders rising i soon hear them straying..or dying...

we are stopped from uniting...

majority of muslims i speak to are strong in faith or at least willing to follow truth...

so quite strange...

may allah give us strength...
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Thats the problem eveyone is waiting for the perfect leader to sort their problems out, sorry to break it to you until the mahdi comes there won't be such a person, even if someone rises they'll have faults, I think I'll be a good leader I admit my knowladge aint great but thats what scholars are for so I'll hand in my application.
 
islam-truth said:
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Thats the problem eveyone is waiting for the perfect leader to sort their problems out, sorry to break it to you until the mahdi comes there won't be such a person, even if someone rises they'll have faults, I think I'll be a good leader I admit my knowladge aint great but thats what scholars are for so I'll hand in my application.
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i dont really care who the leader is, if the leader is just thats ALL that matters, knowledge can be obtained, being just is a quality which is rare...
 
Abd'Majid said:
i dont really care who the leader is, if the leader is just thats ALL that matters, knowledge can be obtained, being just is a quality which is rare...
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But people often go around in circles they'll cliam they want something and won't go out and do it. Thats why I say I'll be leader cause that's one excuse people use, I'll try and set up a site or something devoted to this idea.
 
islam-truth said:
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But people often go around in circles they'll cliam they want something and won't go out and do it. Thats why I say I'll be leader cause that's one excuse people use, I'll try and set up a site or something devoted to this idea.
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an internet site will do u no good, a site in reality such as a masjid will get raided within a matter of months. We cant oppose the huge masses of forces in this country. Only thing to do is move to a country with a muslim leader and take it from there...
 
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