Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

[Rou]

Thats the problem eveyone is waiting for the perfect leader to sort their problems out, sorry to break it to you until the mahdi comes there won't be such a person, even if someone rises they'll have faults, I think I'll be a good leader I admit my knowladge aint great but thats what scholars are for so I'll hand in my application.

Inshallah we will see a leader rise soon then

either way no indeed a leader is not perfect in any case who is?

point is even someone who comes close is hard to find in the confusion that is around today...

may allah guide us and give the misguided some sense...

 

[Rou]

an internet site will do u no good, a site in reality such as a masjid will get raided within a matter of months. We cant oppose the huge masses of forces in this country. Only thing to do is move to a country with a muslim leader and take it from there...

This is probably true...

 

[Ghazi]

Inshallah we will see a leader rise soon then

either way no indeed a leader is not perfect in any case who is?

point is even someone who comes close is hard to find in the confusion that is around today...

may allah guide us and give the misguided some sense...

Hmm... this is gonna sound stupid but what are the scholars for I mean couldn't we just ask 2 scholars for each madhab to form a union or something in some land and take it from there, the problem is muslims over complicate things and don't actually back them up they'll say we want a calipha but won't do anything to get one.

 

[Rou]

Hmm... this is gonna sound stupid but what are the scholars for I mean couldn't we just ask 2 scholars for each madhab to form a union or something in some land and take it from there, the problem is muslims over complicate things and don't actually back them up they'll say we want a calipha but won't do anything to get one.

What will scholars do!? they will say this verse is correct and this law is right that is by there opinion they are just as human as u and me...

allah gave us all the quran for us all to understand not just scholars...

there judgment will not find a leader there knowledge will help clairfy quranic verses...

a leader needs to be one who see's clearly what is needed and that is justice and he should not be afraid to stand up for it...

one must rise in peace but in defince of what is happening, for outright violence will prove nothing...

first the leader should call for unity and be clear of heart to be able to do so (not perfect no..but sane...)

then together we should show our defince at the unfair treatment of all innocents...

as some may think we are not here for war we are here for peace...but not only peace for those who can afford it...

peace for all...

inshallah soon....allah knows best for what we must learn from our suffering and gain from our fate...

Wether Sunni , Shia , Kurdish what are you compared to allah?

there is only allah...there is only islam...

Our people will wake i pray and i pray it will be soon inshallah......

 

[Ghazi]

What will scholars do!? they will say this verse is correct and this law is right that is by there opinion they are just as human as u and me...

allah gave us all the quran for us all to understand not just scholars...

there judgment will not find a leader there knowledge will help clairfy quranic verses...

a leader needs to be one who see's clearly what is needed and that is justice and he should not be afraid to stand up for it...

one must rise in peace but in defince of what is happening, for outright violence will prove nothing...

first the leader should call for unity and be clear of heart to be able to do so (not perfect no..but sane...)

then together we should show our defince at the unfair treatment of all innocents...

as some may think we are not here for war we are here for peace...but not only peace for those who can afford it...

peace for all...

inshallah soon....allah knows best for what we must learn from our suffering and gain from our fate...

Sounds nice but who's gonna be the leader, but one thing I've noticed is that scholars seem to have authority in the ummah, we need to get a leader anyone in mind.

 

[Rou]

Sounds nice but who's gonna be the leader, but one thing I've noticed is that scholars seem to have authority in the ummah, we need to get a leader anyone in mind.

There is no one brother...where is the defince? who in the arab world is calling? who shouts defince?

in other muslim lands too they care more of there single land or there own pockets more than our people...

they fear that they will rise and muslims on a whole will not come only those in there country so they fear...

only the iranian president has voiced without fear is he the leader we seek? i know not what his fate is but what i do know is i doubt the leader of a country will be our leader he will be one who is not connected to one land...

for that is what separates us...we see it as that countries problem not our peoples problem...

iraq got attacked as a country so did afganistan...

where were all muslims?? its a mind game... eventhough the target is the following and the belifs it will always be shown as an attack on a country and for so called valid reasons...

thats why muslims will not unite behind a leader of a country out of ignorance and doubt...

Who is the leader...?

allah knows my friend...

 

[Ghazi]

There is no one brother...where is the defince? who in the arab world is calling? who shouts defince?

in other muslim lands too they care more of there single land or there own pockets more than our people...

they fear that they will rise and muslims on a whole will not come only those in there country so they fear...

only the iranian president has voiced without fear is he the leader we seek? i know not what his fate is but what i do know is i doubt the leader of a country will be our leader he will be one who is not connected to one land...

for that is what separates us...we see it as that countries problem not our peoples problem...

iraq got attacked as a country so did afganistan...

where were all muslims?? its a mind game... eventhough the target is the following and the belifs it will always be shown as an attack on a country and for so called valid reasons...

thats why muslims will not unite behind a leader of a country out of ignorance and doubt...

Who is the leader...?

allah knows my friend...

You know what the ummah have the rules and regulations to be the dominate force on earth but they don't implament it, I'll put my self forward as leader or anyone can all we need is someone willing to be leader.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

for me the ummah..

What can i do to be loyal to the ummah..
follow the laws of islam..
for then i perform dakwah with my very being..

My action are i hope are in an Islamic light and will aid any brother of sisters as i amn,inshallah.

For helping our brothers and sister in your own coutnry in your state in your own backyard,wheter known or a stranger AID the ummah as a whole.
for are all individual in one community.

So if we accept one another and aid one another and mnove as ONE in our own coutnry then expands Inshallah,it will the Ummah universal..

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Salaam,

for me the ummah..

What can i do to be loyal to the ummah..
follow the laws of islam..
for then i perform dakwah with my very being..

My action are i hope are in an Islamic light and will aid any brother of sisters as i amn,inshallah.

For helping our brothers and sister in your own coutnry in your state in your own backyard,wheter known or a stranger AID the ummah as a whole.
for are all individual in one community.

So if we accept one another and aid one another and mnove as ONE in our own coutnry then expands Inshallah,it will the Ummah universal..

mashAllah, thats good, but the ummah are suffering right now. I understand we need to regroup, but no-one takes this seriously, its like the whole ummah is scattered like moths

 

[Ghazi]

mashAllah, thats good, but the ummah are suffering right now. I understand we need to regroup, but no-one takes this seriously, its like the whole ummah is scattered like moths

I take it seriously heck I'll be claipha wanna join my state we can do it within our selfs till we get things started for real inshallah.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I take it seriously heck I'll be claipha wanna join my state we can do it within our selfs till we get things started for real inshallah.

lol bro, how many people do you think will join our army?

 

[Ghazi]

lol bro, how many people do you think will join our army?

Army? lol, loads cause I'm serious about this I'll spread the word set up somewhere and invite scholars people from all professions and the genral muslim population to live with us I think people are just wating for someone to take the first step, One small step for islam-truth, One Gaint leap for the ummah. and the number one rule is no sectarien issues hell if anyone brings that shia sunni beef around me I'll hang them my self i'll save them some money on the c4 that they'd use to blow-up mosques.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Army? lol, loads cause I'm serious about this I'll spread the word set up somewhere and invite scholars people from all professions and the genral muslim population to live with us I think people are just wating for someone to take the first step, One small step for islam-truth, One Gaint leap for the ummah. and the number one rule is no sectarien issues hell if anyone brings that shia sunni beef around me I'll hang them my self i'll save them some money on the c4 that they'd use to blow-up mosques.

LOLOL!!

im in , u remind me of ABU DHARR (RA), one small step, TWO WHOLE TRIBES ACCEPTED ISLAM!

SubhanAllah, may Allah help us in our mission. Ameen!

:salamext:

 

[umm-sulaim]

if people come and occupy Britain and oppress its people, muslims here are obligated under Islamic law to protect their country and their fellow country men/women, and children...even if the aggressor is a muslim army.

What you say kinda makes sense to me but then again,
ok akhee what do you say to hadeeth abee sa3eed alkhdhree in meaning that you can't point a weapon at your brother, agreed upon.
or hadeeth that the prophet alayhi salaatu wasslaam said about the 2 muslims that fight eachother " fal gaatil wal magtuul finnaar" then the killer and the killed are in the fire, when the companions asked why the killer was in the fire he replied alayhi sallatu wassalaam : because he sought to kill his brother! agreed upon.
I would be intrested to know where you got this fatwa from, thanks.

however i dont believe any country has the right to protect itself by shipping planeloads and shiploads of soldiers to far off countries in other continents..how are British, US or Australian Soldiers defending their countries in Iraq/Afghanistan?:uhwhat

Oh through oppression, pure thulm! and the oh so lame excuse of dictatorship and human rights and what not, if you ask me its just an excuse to kill muslims!
I'm with you on that 1 bro, can't see how that is! *shakes head*

 

[Ghazi]

if people come and occupy Britain and oppress its people, muslims here are obligated under Islamic law to protect their country and their fellow country men/women, and children...even if the aggressor is a muslim army.

huh? can I have some daleel please?

 

[Skillganon]

I really think people who thinks that we need a caliph to solve the immediate problem will not be effective as reason hegiou stated above. What we need is revival of the ummah contrary to what people thinks that it is not their anymore. We muslim everyone are the ummah, and we got ourselve in this negative attitude that it does not exist, which means we don't care about each other and our fellow being which is not true. What we have to do is to progress (revival) the ummah by getting rid of what is detrimental to it.

I know I have not proposed a stratgey or higlighted the problem of the ummah, but I am pondering on it.

 

[searchingsoul]

Salaam,

for me the ummah..

What can i do to be loyal to the ummah..
follow the laws of islam..
for then i perform dakwah with my very being..

My action are i hope are in an Islamic light and will aid any brother of sisters as i amn,inshallah.

For helping our brothers and sister in your own coutnry in your state in your own backyard,wheter known or a stranger AID the ummah as a whole.
for are all individual in one community.

So if we accept one another and aid one another and mnove as ONE in our own coutnry then expands Inshallah,it will the Ummah universal..

I'm of course not Muslim but find this approach reasonable and worthy of respect.

 

[searchingsoul]

if people come and occupy Britain and oppress its people, muslims here are obligated under Islamic law to protect their country and their fellow country men/women, and children...even if the aggressor is a muslim army.

What you say kinda makes sense to me but then again,
ok akhee what do you say to hadeeth abee sa3eed alkhdhree in meaning that you can't point a weapon at your brother, agreed upon.
or hadeeth that the prophet alayhi salaatu wasslaam said about the 2 muslims that fight eachother " fal gaatil wal magtuul finnaar" then the killer and the killed are in the fire, when the companions asked why the killer was in the fire he replied alayhi sallatu wassalaam : because he sought to kill his brother! agreed upon.
I would be intrested to know where you got this fatwa from, thanks.

however i dont believe any country has the right to protect itself by shipping planeloads and shiploads of soldiers to far off countries in other continents..how are British, US or Australian Soldiers defending their countries in Iraq/Afghanistan?:uhwhat

Simple: They are trying to prevent further terrorism.

Oh through oppression, pure thulm! and the oh so lame excuse of dictatorship and human rights and what not, if you ask me its just an excuse to kill muslims!

Some "Muslims" deserve to be killed. Of course some "Christians" (and other so called religious people) deserved to be killed as well.
I'm with you on that 1 bro, can't see how that is! *shakes head*

my 2 cents

 

[Rou]

if people come and occupy Britain and oppress its people, muslims here are obligated under Islamic law to protect their country and their fellow country men/women, and children...even if the aggressor is a muslim army.

What you say kinda makes sense to me but then again,
ok akhee what do you say to hadeeth abee sa3eed alkhdhree in meaning that you can't point a weapon at your brother, agreed upon.
or hadeeth that the prophet alayhi salaatu wasslaam said about the 2 muslims that fight eachother " fal gaatil wal magtuul finnaar" then the killer and the killed are in the fire, when the companions asked why the killer was in the fire he replied alayhi sallatu wassalaam : because he sought to kill his brother! agreed upon.
I would be intrested to know where you got this fatwa from, thanks.

however i dont believe any country has the right to protect itself by shipping planeloads and shiploads of soldiers to far off countries in other continents..how are British, US or Australian Soldiers defending their countries in Iraq/Afghanistan?:uhwhat

Oh through oppression, pure thulm! and the oh so lame excuse of dictatorship and human rights and what not, if you ask me its just an excuse to kill muslims!
I'm with you on that 1 bro, can't see how that is! *shakes head*

IT depends on the reason...there are a many range of reasons and a many number of issues to be looked at before a muslim suddenly decided's to fight an army of any kind...

to protect innocents is fine but to fight an army of islam is diffrent to fighting a person of muslim origin...

muslims who harm innocents are no muslims...so to fight them would not contradict the law...however to take up arms against a islamic army depending on many factors would need to be looked at...

you said if they came to be opressed? islamicly no army will come to oppress for then it would not be islamic!? as i said many factors...

 

[Rou]

however i dont believe any country has the right to protect itself by shipping planeloads and shiploads of soldiers to far off countries in other continents..how are British, US or Australian Soldiers defending their countries in Iraq/Afghanistan?:uhwhat

Simple: They are trying to prevent further terrorism.

Oh through oppression, pure thulm! and the oh so lame excuse of dictatorship and human rights and what not, if you ask me its just an excuse to kill muslims!

Some "Muslims" deserve to be killed. Of course some "Christians" (and other so called religious people) deserved to be killed as well.
I'm with you on that 1 bro, can't see how that is! *shakes head*

my 2 cents

This reasoning makes no sense as the reason terrorisem started is by creatin g an inbalance and strife in another peoples land and then ignoring or silencing there voices when they spoke up...

terrorisem is a very strange word? it is used majority of the time against those who have little means of attacking back at aggressors who are in there land and have an unfair advantages over there people...and those who attack back are called terrorists?

agreed that to kill innocents is not part of our path...thats not what im saying here im talking of what causes terrorisem and how to cure it...

by attacking a country beacuse a group attacked you from it is just asking for the creation of more groups like that...

why would i attack your neighbour if you are the one who broke my window?

im just asking for trouble...

iraq had nothing to do with terrorisem yet it was attacked and what has this all gained!? nothing but the creation of more terrorist groups...

The cure to terrorisem is the creation of true justice and nothing less...

And no innocent deserves to be killed...muslim ,christian or jew...

that is what we must stop...