Hadith

[AceOfHearts]

the musnaad of I beleive Amr Bin al-Aas and the hadeeth reported (not all) by Abu Hurairah have reached us today. The earliest hadeeths manuscripts date during the time oft he khulafa rashideen and the tabieen form the first of the umawi khulafa.

asalamu alaikum

Was that Musnad written during the Prophet's lifetime?

 

[أحمد]

Was that Musnad written during the Prophet's lifetime?

No, it was actually written half a century later, and compiled along with several other documents, even later by Imam Ahmad bin Hambal; in his Musnad.

You can however, find earlier books, like Ibn Abi Shaiba, Abu Dawud at-Tayaaleesi and Ibn Abi Umair. Even though Ibn Abi Shaiba was compiled and copied (for international distribution) in the next two centuries; the documentation was written by this young companian of the Prophet arabic5: saw), but it wasn't all written in the lifetime of the Prophet arabic5: saw).

My next post will include earlier Hadith books Insha-Allah; those which were written during the lifetime of the Prophet arabic5: saw).

 

[أحمد]

There is only one book of Hadeeth that the Ummayyads worked very hard to find and destroy; that is Saheefa Ali ibn Abi Talib. So that book no longer exists in its form.

As for other books, I'll mention two for now Insha-Allah . . .
Ibn Thaabit (Hadeeth Zaid ibn Thaabit) was written in the lifetime of the prophet (saw) and still exists, with a far greater level of authenticity than the commonly known books, such as Bukhari.

Musnad Sulaim bin Qais; Sulaim bin Qais was a Sahabi - in the Lifetime of the Prophet (saw). Its called Musnad, because not all the narrations were taken directly from the Prophet (saw), some were taken from other close companions of the Prophet (saw).

 

[*Sonya]

i ve'learned hadit tody.. thnxx 4 sharin

 

[M_Ahmed]

Salam.
I found this quite intresting, posted by AW
http://www.islamicboard.com/depth-islam/16262-hadith-post319563.html

 

[M_Ahmed]

Salam.
The links not working, so heres the post.

There is only one book of Hadeeth that the Ummayyads worked very hard to find and destroy; that is Saheefa Ali ibn Abi Talib. So that book no longer exists in its form.

As for other books, I'll mention two for now Insha-Allah . . .
Ibn Thaabit (Hadeeth Zaid ibn Thaabit) was written in the lifetime of the prophet (saw) and still exists, with a far greater level of authenticity than the commonly known books, such as Bukhari.

Musnad Sulaim bin Qais; Sulaim bin Qais was a Sahabi - in the Lifetime of the Prophet (saw). Its called Musnad, because not all the narrations were taken directly from the Prophet (saw), some were taken from other close companions of the Prophet (saw).

 

[أحمد]

The word "Hadith" is inseparable from today's Islam and can best be translated as "Sayings" of the Prophet or his companions.

Although the term hadeeth generally refers to sayings of the Prophet (saw), the word itself just means a tradition, as it is a way of carrying out the commands of Allah.

Hadith is accepted as the 2nd source of Islam (the Quran being 1st) and has been well established into an entire science where people spend a lifetime merely studying the "Hadith" and its compilations.

Muslims are taught that the Prophet Mohammed brought the Quran with him as well as his sayings "Hadith" and actions "Sunna". The Muslims believe that these pillars are inseparable and that Islam cannot stand at all if any of these pillars are taken out.

What may come as a surprise to most, is that "Hadith" was not actually compiled and reviewed until over two hundred years after Mohammed's death, first by Imam Bukhari (d. 256/870), then Muslim (d. 261/875), Abu Daud (d. 275/888), Tirmidhi (d. 270/883), Ibn Maja (d. 273/886), and al-Nasa'i (d. 303/915).

It was only a well spread misconception that got people thinking of such books as 'early hadeeth sources'. In reality, they were amongst the newest. Even their authenticity holds very little value compared to earlier hadeeth books; the most authentic - being those written in the lifetime of the Prohet (saw).
An Imam at al-Azhar Fatwa Committee (about 120 years ago) said that if Saheefa Ali bin Abi Talib was to be in its form today we would no see the amount of Ikhtilaaf we see today in th ummah.

 

[UmarAlFarooq]

This joker is just spouting off something off of Submission.org. Every now and then we have these clowns come and try to raise a rukus. They're too lazy to do their own research so they post these silly "arguments" so we do the leg-work for them.

 

[Eddi]

This joker is just spouting off something off of Submission.org. Every now and then we have these clowns come and try to raise a rukus. They're too lazy to do their own research so they post these silly "arguments" so we do the leg-work for them.

I think the attacks on Islam have been answered quite well still.

 

[M H Kahn]

I think Reank didn't intend to attack Islam as a whole, she has simply questioned the authenticity of the Hadiths which we call correct. This question may crop up in any one's mind when he comes to the knowledge that Bukhari collected 600,000 Sunnahs of Muhammed (pbuh) and subsequently he had to reject over 98% of them as fake. This is the case of Bukhari who took utmost care to shake off the fake ones after examining the Isnad and Matn. What about other writers? Even after takeing great care by them not to write down any fake Hadith, you cannot altogether reject the probability of some fake stories still finding entrance in their books.

So none can say for sure that Hadiths we find in the authors' books are 100%true. Maybe this is what Renak wanted to say. The readers still need to be vigilant not to accept any so-called Hadith, which contradicts the Quran, as saying of Muhammed (pbuh).

 

[M H Kahn]

Even today as there are correct Hadiths, there are fake Hadiths too; and every reader has to guard against the fake Hadiths as practising on a fake Hadith may turn hum into a Mushrik.

For example, Fazayel -e- Aamal, the bible of the Tablig Jamat, contains a story, attributed to Mohammed (pbuh) as the narrator, that Allah forgave Adam (pbuh) only when he had sought His forgiveness for the sake of Mohammed( pbuh). This story denies the Quranic ordainment that Allah is 'samad' and must be a fake invention. But still this fake story has found place in the above book and people all over the world participating the Tablig Jammat run the risk of committing shirk, tempted by the said fake Hadith, seeking Allah's forgiveness in their supplications for the sake of Muhammed (pbuh) and other good people.

There are many other fake Hadiths scholars have identified but yet in circualtion. To safeguard Islam from onslaught of various writers, it is necessary that an organised effort be taken, the OIC may come forward, to identify the fake Hadiths and compel each member country to widely publicise the same and ban books that contain fake Hadiths in their respective countries.

 

[Ghazi]

Even today as there are correct Hadiths, there are fake Hadiths too; and every reader has to guard against the fake Hadiths as practising on a fake Hadith may turn hum into a Mushrik.

For example, Fazayel -e- Aamal, the bible of the Tablig Jamat, contains a story, attributed to Mohammed (pbuh) as the narrator, that Allah forgave Adam (pbuh) only when he had sought His forgiveness for the sake of Mohammed( pbuh). This story denies the Quranic ordainment that Allah is 'samad' and must be a fake invention. But still this fake story has found place in the above book and people all over the world participating the Tablig Jammat run the risk of committing shirk, tempted by the said fake Hadith, seeking Allah's forgiveness in their supplications for the sake of Muhammed (pbuh) and other good people.

There are many other fake Hadiths scholars have identified but yet in circualtion. To safeguard Islam from onslaught of various writers, it is necessary that an organised effort be taken, the OIC may come forward, to identify the fake Hadiths and compel each member country to widely publicise the same and ban books that contain fake Hadiths in their respective countries.

Really, I remember when I started pratasing about two years ago, I used to chill with tabligis but the shiek in my masjid who studied at madinah university told me to stay away from that book so I have.

 

[M H Kahn]

Really, I remember when I started pratasing about two years ago, I used to chill with tabligis but the shiek in my masjid who studied at madinah university told me to stay away from that book so I have.

Islam has imposed us the duties, among otheres, (1) to learn deen, and (2) to ask for the good and forbid the bad; and the Tablig Jamat, as claimed by its proponents, has spread all over the world as a mechanism for the participants to (1) learn deen and (2) to ask for the good and forbid the bad. But the basic teachings that are included in their book contain some elements of bidah and shirk. Had the movement be purged to cleanse fake Hadiths from their propaganda so as to teach and preach true Islam, as taught by Mohammed (pbuh), then the movement could contribute a lot to Islam.