Lack of diplomacy from america a big part of ME crisis

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snakelegs said:
this wasn't addressed to me but i just wanted to point out that it isn't the palestinians who are paying the price - it is the lebanese people, muslims, christians, sunnis, shi'as. - the entire country.
israel's reaction is, if anything, helping the palestinians. it has certainly won a lot of new fans for hezbollah.
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..... & on that, i certailny agreed!
 
Purest Ambrosia, I think I must have left you with the wrong impression.

You said “... forgive that I am not very pro-Israel ....”

I can understand that entirely, I condemn no one for having an anti Israel position/stance.

The point I was trying to make is that, regardless of anyone’s stance on Israel, we ought to only support things that better the situation for all parties involved.

Israel is not going to give all the Palestine lands back, that is a fact.
Hamas and Hezbollah are not in a position to change that fact.
I dare say that the whole Middle East is not in a position to change that fact.

If there is to be a long-term betterment of the Palestine peoples, then there must be found some way to live in peace.

As long as there are people striking out at Israel, Israel will continue to strike back.

If the fighters hide among the general populace then there will all ways be non-combatants killed.

Be it right or wrong, that is the way it is.

So no, I wouldn’t expect you to be pro-Israel, nor do I condemn you for being anti-Israel.

I am not anti-Palestine, nor am I anti-Lebanon, nor am I anti-Middle East, nor am I anti-Islam/Muslim.

What I am anti toward are the actions by all parties that do nothing towards a long term peace and a bettering of all the people there.

I hope you understand.

What is going on over there is not a lack of diplomacy on the part of the USA.

I dare say it is a direct result of people supporting the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Snake Legs “it has certainly won a lot of new fans for Hezbollah”.

I am sure that among certain segments of the world’s population, what you said is true, but on the whole it is not.

I say that holds true for the Middle East as well.
I have seen Middle Eastern leaders condemning the civilian deaths that happen to be non-Israeli, but I have not seen many public statements supporting Hezbollah’s shelling of Israel.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
She just want every Jew in Israel destroyed. It's ok Ambrosia to say it. Don't hide behind this Israel is occupying all our land bs. If that was true there would be riots in Syria, Jordan, and Eygpt considering they all occupied Palestine at sometime and some of them still do. There was no Jihad against these contries and they were far from nice to Pals considering every state the Pals were in the country considered them scum.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
It is simple Israel is suffering from Munchausen syndrome with a little bit of malingering.... to the naked eye seems believable but on closer examination it all becomes clear... want a good view take a few weeks sabbatical and live in a Palestinian refugee camp... and let us know how well you handle it when people come knocking on your door shooting your wife and smashing your property.... I am sure you will be all forgiving like....
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I think you are missing the point. No one denies (or at least very few people deny) that the Palestinians have suffered an injustice. No one denies that they have been dispossessed. A few in America do not care but even they are a minority. The question is what is to be done? Which leads to the conclusion that what is being done is counter-productive. The Palestinians have a wealth of political and military options in front of them. They habitually choose the most violent and hence the most counter-productive of them all. They chose to side with Saddam Hussien. They chose suicide bombing. They chose to side with Osama Bin Laden, or at least were not quick enough to distance themselves from him. They even elected Hamas. If Israel was weak these choices would be productive to some degree. Israel is not weak. I suggest they need to choose again because the biggest card Israel has is the one that says no peace is possible because the Palestinians support terrorism. It is indeniable.
 
Geronimo said:
She just want every Jew in Israel destroyed. It's ok Ambrosia to say it. Don't hide behind this Israel is occupying all our land bs. If that was true there would be riots in Syria, Jordan, and Eygpt considering they all occupied Palestine at sometime and some of them still do. There was no Jihad against these contries and they were far from nice to Pals considering every state the Pals were in the country considered them scum.
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I think considering your sources and lack of insight as we have all seen yesterday ... you have no credibility ......none whatsoever. You are in no position to make a psychological or political judgment ... in fact it is almost gratifying that you sit home all day and vegetate in front of the computer posting various none sense... At some point my vacation will be over and you'll still be here having no influence on the people on whom you daily mock....
Any Muslim country under the rule of the Muslim empire is considered a Provence.... Israel however will have its day ....
 
nimrod said:
Purest Ambrosia, I think I must have left you with the wrong impression.

You said “... forgive that I am not very pro-Israel ....”

I can understand that entirely, I condemn no one for having an anti Israel position/stance.

The point I was trying to make is that, regardless of anyone’s stance on Israel, we ought to only support things that better the situation for all parties involved.

Israel is not going to give all the Palestine lands back, that is a fact.
Hamas and Hezbollah are not in a position to change that fact.
I dare say that the whole Middle East is not in a position to change that fact.

If there is to be a long-term betterment of the Palestine peoples, then there must be found some way to live in peace.

As long as there are people striking out at Israel, Israel will continue to strike back.

If the fighters hide among the general populace then there will all ways be non-combatants killed.

Be it right or wrong, that is the way it is.

So no, I wouldn’t expect you to be pro-Israel, nor do I condemn you for being anti-Israel.

I am not anti-Palestine, nor am I anti-Lebanon, nor am I anti-Middle East, nor am I anti-Islam/Muslim.

What I am anti toward are the actions by all parties that do nothing towards a long term peace and a bettering of all the people there.

I hope you understand.

What is going on over there is not a lack of diplomacy on the part of the USA.

I dare say it is a direct result of people supporting the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Thanks
Nimrod
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Israel isn't going anywhere neither is Hamas or hezballah... end of story
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
I think considering your sources and lack of insight as we have all seen yesterday ... you have no credibility ......none whatsoever. You are in no position to make a psychological or political judgment ... in fact it is almost gratifying that you sit home all day and vegetate in front of the computer posting various none sense... At some point my vacation will be over and you'll still be here having no influence on the people on whom you daily mock....
Any Muslim country under the rule of the Muslim empire is considered a Provence.... Israel however will have its day ....
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I know you are but what am I?
 
Purest Ambrosia, “Israel isn't going anywhere neither is Hamas or Hezbollah... end of story”, that isn’t the end of the story.

The end of the story is in how they deal with each other and how those dealings affects the rest of the world.

I hope you come to understand that.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
nimrod said:
Purest Ambrosia, “Israel isn't going anywhere neither is Hamas or Hezbollah... end of story”, that isn’t the end of the story.

The end of the story is in how they deal with each other and how those dealings affects the rest of the world.

I hope you come to understand that.

Thanks
Nimrod
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One deals with the other in the way of killing and pillaging.... I have come to understand that, yes..... let's not be super heroes on this forum ... A question one must always ask before getting too involved with any post and have it drag on for pages is what do we hope to gain from this dialogue? ..... peace to the world, good will toward man? Fine let the world have peace.....nothing would give me greater pleasure... .....But you know honestly people are still being killed while others claim it is self defense.....and while you and I sit and write.. life isn't as simple as a post ... it is complex there are many variables ... the more variables you add the more difficult the formula ..... now I hope you can understand that!
thanks to you as well
PureAmb
 
nimrod said:
Snake Legs “it has certainly won a lot of new fans for Hezbollah”.

I am sure that among certain segments of the world’s population, what you said is true, but on the whole it is not.

I say that holds true for the Middle East as well.
I have seen Middle Eastern leaders condemning the civilian deaths that happen to be non-Israeli, but I have not seen many public statements supporting Hezbollah’s shelling of Israel.

Thanks
Nimrod
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my take on this is that the middle eastern leaders are condemning hezbollah, not because the disagree with their tactics. they are frightened and alarmed about this shift in power in the region. (re: sunni-shi'a.).
but the people, unlike their leaders do not share this concern and israel's actions haved cancelled out the differences between sunni shi'a and they are more supportive of hezbollah with each bomb israel drops, each child killed, each life destroyed, and the destruction of lebanon. this has the potential to actually unite sunni and shi'a - probably for the first time ever.
so the leaders and the people are really on 2 different planets.
 
snakelegs said:
my take on this is that the middle eastern leaders are condemning hezbollah, not because the disagree with their tactics. they are frightened and alarmed about this shift in power in the region. (re: sunni-shi'a.).
but the people, unlike their leaders do not share this concern and israel's actions haved cancelled out the differences between sunni shi'a and they are more supportive of hezbollah with each bomb israel drops, each child killed, each life destroyed, and the destruction of lebanon. this has the potential to actually unite sunni and shi'a - probably for the first time ever.
so the leaders and the people are really on 2 different planets.
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I agree. For some this whole conflict is truely a blessing. They see it as a way to finally unite the Ummah. There seems little chance of this happening otherwise, a true conflict that mobilizes the masses is what is needed.
 

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