Sikhism

[Mohsin]

Nothing secret/deceptive/dishonest about it!

It is true that Guru Sahib Ji was dressed as a hajji and where ever he went they would have discourses with the local mullas and holy people and all were one in the opinion that Guru Maharaj Ji was an exceptional person of God. The Sheikhs and mullas were much impressed with Guru Sahib Jis knowledge and insite, so I do not see a problem with Guru Ji walking into Mecca unopposed. Guru Ji didn't decieve or tell lies.

Also,

The Kaaba is now closed off with a building that surrounds it, and you get in by some tunnel (where thousands of people annually suffocate or get trampled upon), in the olden days the whole area would have been open and access to the main kaaba area would be quite easy. So all Guru Sahib Ji had to do was just walk in.

Please, do yourself a favour and be careful of what you write, because delibarately or not, you are making ignorant comments!

The Kaaba is now closed off with a building that surrounds it, and you get in by some tunnel (where thousands of people annually suffocate or get trampled upon), in the olden days the whole area would have been open and access to the main kaaba area would be quite easy. So all Guru Sahib Ji had to do was just walk in.

Completely incorrect. You are referring to two separate places. Kab'ah is in Mecca. The tunnel you are referring to is a whole hours away from Ka'bah. its where we go to pelt the stones. GET YOUR INFO RIGHT, don't assume

So it wasn't easy enough to simply walk in. Even if it was, it is a well known fact, and something several muslims constantly complain about how non-muslims aren't allowed in Mecca, so nanak would have known for sure that you have to be muslim to enter it, so whether you luike it or not, it is deceitful to do something you know you are not allowed to do, regardless of whether you get caught or not. Deceitfullness is not a character of a Prophet

 

[Mohsin]

Well open your mind abit, maybe you didn't know but not the whole world is Muslim.

Lol when did i ever make the suggestion the whole world is muslim.

He was a prophet but the quran as you Muslims normally state, was compiled after his death

:uhwhat

Same old anti-islamic false lies and claims

It was written in scrolls and pieces of parchments during his time, under his supervision. It was memorised by hundreds of companions. His own sayings were also recorded, and memorised. So its not true that the Qur'an was comiled after he died. the qur'an we have today is exacly the same as the one which was revealed to him 1400 years ago, so stop with these baseless copy and paste lies from anti-islamists

Also there were other prophets, dietes that have walked this earth-their followers claiming that theirs is the only truth, you are no different

When such happens you analyse the message, to see its authenticity. analyse the Qur'an and feel for yourself whether it is a man that has written it, or can you feel God actually speaking to you. Analyse the seerah, the life of prophet Muhammed PBUH and see if his life was one of a Prophet, or of a liar who claimed to have received revelation but actually never. islam despite all this scrutinisation, still prevails as truth, and Muhammed PBUH is nothing but a truthful messenger

Read the following discussion. it was between at the time a non-muslim and a christian king, talking about prophet Muhammed PBUH

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546990

Also see this thread here

Prove that the Qur'an IS the word of God

The first page of that thread is sufficient for you to read.

The clarification regarding Sikhi has been given-maybe if you care to open your eyes then you will see, I don't think you need to be spoon fed on everything.

Incorrect, i keep receiving contradicting answers and views from all of you. You answer in riddles, not answering to the point. I ask you believe all religions are right, you avoid the answer, as you know it is contradicting to think so. i ask you do you believe prophet Muhammed is a prophet, you say yes, but when i ask ok so since you assume he is a prophet, then you will know he speaks the truth, so when i ask why did he say he is the last prophet, why do you not believe him. Again you either run away and not answer, or answer in ambigious riddles. I am trying to learn and understand this complex sikh docrtrine, but am finding it rather difficult with so many contradicting answers

but no need to shove your religion in the faces of others

Hmm interesting. From what i've learnt from other sikhs on this thread, is nanak went to mecca baghdad himalays and all these places preaching sikhism, and had many people revert in punjab. if this is not shoving religion in someones faith then what is it. This is an islamic forum, you came here. If you don't like teh questions don't answer them, but it will speak volumes on your the level of your belief and faith in your religion

 

[Mohsin]

As-salam alaykum wara matulha ive read the granth shaib and read about sikhism ive debated with many sikhs alhumdolilha and ive got good relationship with the sikh communnity. I would like to ask jss a couple of questions inshallah they will open hes eyes. Firstly if Sikhism is the true religion what is before sikhism? surely as you now guru granth shaib is the founder of sikhism and it is a relative NEW religion if you are saying that hinduism is the religion before sikhism then why has god then changed hes mind and if it was islam then why has it changed? Another question is if its none then are you trying to say for hte past centuries god has not created a religon? Also why would god need to start a religion which is already there. Sikhism is - beliving in one god .... Islam - belive in one god... i dont understand its like a person called fred could start the same thing but called fredism if you understand. (i would like these replies before i carry on this is just as a resraunt calls a appetiser )

Sorry i have been on for a long long long long time its just that exams got in the way my gcses inshallah ill contribute alot towards this thread

Jazakullah khair for joining convo bro, your questions ahve been asked by myself on more than one occasion, but convenient they have not been ansered, and contine to be side-stepped

If sikhs believe in the contradicting doctrine that all religions are right and all from God, then why did they all preach heaven/hell and about adam and eve, and the day of judgement, yet sikhism doesn't. In that case are they all wrong. So what came before Sikhism, did god allow man to travel the earth without guide? No religion/revelation/guidance for centuries and centuries for thousands of generations, and all of a sudden God decideds taht bam, India needs to be sent gurus. And yet the so called message doesn't spread and stays confined to india, with very few conversions

 

[imran_c]

Ye alhumdolilha thats true theres also another thing sikhs are like a crosstroke of hinduism and islam its abit of both which was joined because at the time hindus and muslims had big issue or shall i say real beef between each other lol not beef as beef but as big problems and the way nanak solved this was making a "religion" inbetween them both which both would agree on and as you can see the sikhs have really no foundations or anything if you want i can inshallah in couple of days sort an article out which will be like a combat kit against sikhism but inshallah i will need help from the beloved brother an dsisters from this forum

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

As-salam alaykum wara matulha ive read the granth shaib and read about sikhism ive debated with many sikhs alhumdolilha and ive got good relationship with the sikh communnity. I would like to ask jss a couple of questions inshallah they will open hes eyes. Firstly if Sikhism is the true religion what is before sikhism? surely as you now guru granth shaib is the founder of sikhism and it is a relative NEW religion if you are saying that hinduism is the religion before sikhism then why has god then changed hes mind and if it was islam then why has it changed? Another question is if its none then are you trying to say for hte past centuries god has not created a religon? Also why would god need to start a religion which is already there. Sikhism is - beliving in one god .... Islam - belive in one god... i dont understand its like a person called fred could start the same thing but called fredism if you understand. (i would like these replies before i carry on this is just as a resraunt calls a appetiser )

Sorry i have been on for a long long long long time its just that exams got in the way my gcses inshallah ill contribute alot towards this thread

I could put that same question to you, why would God introduce Judaism then only to change his mind and introduce Christianity and then Islam, why would he change his mind?

The answer to that is (Guru Granth ji answer) God does as he chooses and all though you praise Allah you seem to think he's not in-charge of his own decisions.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Ye alhumdolilha thats true theres also another thing sikhs are like a crosstroke of hinduism and islam its abit of both which was joined because at the time hindus and muslims had big issue or shall i say real beef between each other lol not beef as beef but as big problems and the way nanak solved this was making a "religion" inbetween them both which both would agree on and as you can see the sikhs have really no foundations or anything if you want i can inshallah in couple of days sort an article out which will be like a combat kit against sikhism but inshallah i will need help from the beloved brother an dsisters from this forum

Why make another when you can find numerous on the net that try to distort Sikhism? It's a good job i associate with true muslims that actually are tolerant of the Sikh religion unlike you 'new' muslims like yourselves that know nothing of the religion of Sikhism, or obviously of Islam! :rollseyes.

Bear in mind Muslims/Hindus have tried to eradicate Sikhi in the past, and hindus continue to do so now. It's an impossible task as we are the Warriors of Allah, the Khalsa (pure ones) of the Supreme, so shall remain under the protection banner of God!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

 

[Fishman]

I could put that same question to you, why would God introduce Judaism then only to change his mind and introduce Christianity and then Islam, why would he change his mind?

The answer to that is (Guru Granth ji answer) God does as he chooses and all though you praise Allah you seem to think he's not in-charge of his own decisions.

Allah did not change his mind when he introduced Christianity and Islam. Judaism and Christianity were originally the same as Islam (with some minor differences due to different circumstances), but were then corrupted by bad translation, corrupt leaders, and storytellers.

good job i associate with true muslims that actually are tolerant of the Sikh religion unlike you 'new' muslims like yourselves that know nothing of the religion of Sikhism, or obviously of Islam! .

Your'e being arrogant again. You, a non-Muslim, cannot say that you know more about Islam than a Muslim.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

This is the verse by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

ਪੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੋਰਖ ਕੌ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਸਿੱਖ ਕਰੇ ਤਿਨਹੂੰ ਬਡ ਰਾਜਾ ॥
पुनि हरि गोरख कौ उपराजा ॥ सिख करे तिनहूं बड राजा ॥
Then I ccreated Gorakh, who made great kings his disciples.

ਸ੍ਰਵਨ ਫਾਰਿ ਮੁਦ੍ਰਾ ਦੁਐ ਡਾਰੀ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਰੀਤਿ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ ॥੨੪॥
स्रवन फारि मुद्रा दुऐ डारी ॥ हरि की प्रीत रीति न बिचारी ॥२४॥
His disciples wear rings in their ears and do not know the love of the lord.24.

ਪੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਕੋ ਕਰਾ ॥ ਭੇਸ ਬੈਰਾਗੀ ਕੋ ਜਿਨ ਧਰਾ ॥
पुनि हरि रामानंद को करा ॥ भेस बैरागी को जिन धरा ॥
Then I created Ramanand, who adopted the path of Bairagi.

ਕੰਠੀ ਕੰਠਿ ਕਾਠ ਕੀ ਡਾਰੀ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਨ ਕਛੂ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ ॥੨੫॥
कंठी कंठि काठ की डारी ॥ प्रभ की क्रिआ न कछू बिचारी ॥२५॥
Around his neck he wore necklace of wooden beads and did not comprehend the ways of the Lord.25.

ਜੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਉਪਜਾਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨੇ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਏ ॥
जे प्रभु परम पुरख उपजाए ॥ तिन तिन अपने राह चलाए ॥
All the great Purushas created by me started their own paths.

ਮਹਾਦੀਨ ਤਬ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਅਰਬ ਦੇਸ ਕੋ ਕੀਨੋ ਰਾਜਾ ॥੨੬॥
महादीन तब प्रभ उपराजा ॥ अरब देस को कीनो राजा ॥२६॥
Then I created Muhammed, who was made the master of Arabia.26.

ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਏਕ ਪੰਥ ਉਪਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਲਿੰਗ ਬਿਨਾ ਕੀਨੇ ਸਭ ਰਾਜਾ ॥
तिन भी एक पंथ उपराजा ॥ लिंग बिना कीने सभ राजा ॥
He started a religion and circumcised all the kings.

ਸਭ ਤੇ ਅਪਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ ॥੨੭॥
सभ ते अपना नामु जपायो ॥ सति नामु काहूं न द्रिड़ायो ॥२७॥
He caused all to utter his name and did not give True Name of the Lord with firmness to anyone.27.

ਸਭ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥
सभ अपनी अपनी उरझाना ॥ पारब्रहम काहू न पछाना ॥
Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend the Supreme Brahman.

ਤਪ ਸਾਧਤ ਹਰਿ ਮੋਹਿ ਬੁਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਇਮ ਕਹਿ ਕੈ ਇਹ ਲੋਕ ਪਠਾਯੋ ॥੨੮॥
तप साधत हरि मोहि बुलायो ॥ इम कहि कै इह लोक पठायो ॥२८॥
When I was busy in the austere devotion, the Lord called me and sent me to this world with the following words.28.

ਅਕਾਲ ਪ੍ਰਰਖ ਬਾਚ ॥
अकाल प्ररख बाच ॥
The Word of the Non-Temporal Lord:

ਚੌਪਈ ॥
चौपई ॥
CHAUPAI

ਮੈ ਅਪਨਾ ਸੁਤ ਤੋਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਾ ॥ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ ਕਰਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਸਾਜਾ ॥
मै अपना सुत तोहि निवाजा ॥ पंथ प्रचुर करबे कहु साजा ॥
I have adopted you as my son and hath created you for the propagation of the path (Panth).

ਜਾਹਿ ਤਹਾਂ ਤੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਚਲਾਇ ॥ ਕਬੁਧਿ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਲੋਕ ਹਟਾਇ ॥੨੯॥
जाहि तहां तै धरमु चलाइ ॥ कबुधि करन ते लोक हटाइ ॥२९॥
"You go therefore for the spread of Dharma (righteousness) and cause people to retrace their steps from evil actions".29.

ਕਬਿਬਾਚ ॥
कबिबाच ॥
The World of the Poet:

ਦੇਹਰਾ ॥
देहरा ॥
DOHRA

ਠਾਢ ਭਯੋ ਮੈ ਜੋਰਿ ਕਰ ਬਚਨ ਕਹਾ ਸਿਰ ਨਿਆਇ ॥
ठाढ भयो मै जोरि कर बचन कहा सिर निआइ ॥
I stood up with folded hands and bowing down my head, I said:

ਪੰਥ ਚਲੈ ਤਬ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਜਬ ਤੁਮ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੩੦॥
पंथ चलै तब जगत मै जब तुम करहु सहाइ ॥३०॥
"The path (Panth) shall prevail only in the world, with THY ASSISTANCE."30.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥
चौपई ॥
CHAUPI

ਇਹ ਕਾਰਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੋਹਿ ਪਠਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਬ ਮੈ ਜਗਤ ਜਨਮ ਧਰਿ ਆਯੋ ॥
इह कारनि प्रभ मोहि पठायो ॥ तब मै जगत जनम धरि आयो ॥
For this reason the Lord sent me and I was born in this world.

ਜਿਮ ਤਿਨ ਕਹੀ ਤਿਨੈ ਤਿਮ ਕਹਿਹੋਂ ॥ ਅਉਰ ਕਿਸੂ ਤੇ ਬੈਰ ਨ ਗਹਿਹੋਂ ॥੩੧॥
जिम तिन कही तिनै तिम कहिहों ॥ अउर किसू ते बैर न गहिहों ॥३१॥
Whatever the Lord said, I am repeating the same unto you, I do not bear enmity with anyone.31.

ਜੋ ਹਮ ਕੋ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਉਚਰਿਹੈਂ ॥ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਨਰਕ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਪਰਿਹੈਂ ॥
जो हम को परमेसर उचरिहैं ॥ ते सभ नरक कुंड महि परिहैं ॥
Whosoever shall call me the Lord, shall fall into hell.

ਮੋ ਕੌ ਦਾਸ ਤਵਨ ਕਾ ਜਾਨੋ ॥ ਯਾ ਮੈ ਭੇਦ ਨ ਰੰਚ ਪਛਾਨੋ ॥੩੨॥
मो कौ दास तवन का जानो ॥ या मै भेद न रंच पछानो ॥३२॥
Consider me as His servant and do not think of any difference between me and the Lord.32.

ਮੈ ਹੋ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੋ ਦਾਸਾ ॥ ਦੇਖਨ ਆਯੋ ਜਗਤ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥
मै हो परम पुरख को दासा ॥ देखन आयो जगत तमासा ॥
I am the servant of the Supreme Purusha and hath come to see the Sport of the world.

ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜਗਤਿ ਕਹਾ ਸੋ ਕਹਿਹੋਂ ॥ ਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਲੋਕ ਤੇ ਮੋਨ ਨ ਰਹਿਹੋਂ ॥੩੩॥
जो प्रभ जगति कहा सो कहिहों ॥ म्रित लोक ते मोन न रहिहों ॥३३॥
Whatever the Lord of the world said, I say the same unto you, I cannot remain silent in this abode of death.33.

This is why God send the Gurus.

End of that question!

 

[Fishman]

He (Muhammad) caused all to utter his name and did not give True Name of the Lord with firmness to anyone.27.

What exactly does this mean?

 

[imran_c]

Brother AvarAllahNoor

Ive got a question so what was before sikhism so what is the reason of starting a religion that exist if its to remind people about submitting to god then alhumdolilha islam has done this because islam is still here alhumdolilh and is the fastest growing religion in the world eventhou how media may protray islam.

Another question is that the granth shaib explains what does this mean:
""If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? …The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives." (Bhagat Kabir, pg. 1349) "
Because this is a clear contradiction from the Qur'an. so therefore it indicates that the granth isnt a devine revaltion.
it stats that "If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong?" WRONG in the Qur'an it states:

22:26 Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) house, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My house for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

"50:16 It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.

Walaqad khalaqna alinsana wanaAAlamu ma tuwaswisu bihi nafsuhu wanahnu aqrabu ilayhi min habli alwareed

Now this shows that Allah subhan wala tala is closer than us that aour jugular vein thus allah is everywhere. Also when the Sikhs say that to whom does the rest of the world belong to. This sura inidicate that Allah is the owner of the world/worlds:

1:2 Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;

Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen

Also:
32:2 (This is) the Revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt,- from the Lord of the Worlds.

Tanzeelu alkitabi la rayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameen

So now if we analyze what we have recited is that Allah subhan wala tala does not live in the mosque, and that allah is the owner of the worlds.

Now if the granth sahib was a Devine revelation then obviously it would have had right facts and not false accusations.

Also on to the other one where it says that the god of muslim live in the west
"73:9 (He is) Lord of the East and the West: there is no god but He: take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs."

So therefore again ive proove my FACT that the granth has many contradictions.

Ill start my article today on sikhism just give me some time and will inshallah be done

Wa-salam alaykum wara matulha

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Brother AvarAllahNoor


Another question is that the Granth Sahib explains what does this mean:
""If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? …The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives." (Bhagat Kabir, pg. 1349) "
Because this is a clear contradiction from the Qur'an. so therefore it indicates that the granth isnt a devine revaltion.
it stats that "If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong?" WRONG in the Qur'an it states:

This is the meaning Brother

Non-Sikhs are allowed to visit and enter the most sacred shrine of the religion, The Golden Temple.

"Believers, know that the idolaters are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended" (9:26, Quran)

"Blessed is the place, and blessed are those who dwell there, where God's Name is meditated upon. The sermons and songs of God's praises are sung there and there is nothing but peace, poise and tranquillity." (Guru Arjan Dev, Raga Bilaval, pg. 816)

"If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? …The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives." (Bhagat Kabir, pg. 1349)

I'm sure you'll understand the context as it's self explanatory

 

[Mohsin]

I could put that same question to you, why would God introduce Judaism then only to change his mind and introduce Christianity and then Islam, why would he change his mind?

Listen, why do you not read any of the other posts. You again and again are caught red-handed contradicting yourswelf and embarressing yourself, by making the same silly posts wioth repeating questions that have been answered before. Either you don't read the posts, or you read them but have difficulty understanding english. I even explained to you in the PM i sent to you that God never created Judaism, God sent islam, always has, Moses was a Muslim, he never claimed to be a Jew in the Torah, nor did he ever say he has come to start judaism, but rather he came to give god's law, God's commandments, that is Islam. Please, just think about what you are saying, how blasphemous is it to say God changes his mind, don't you think he knows the future?

The answer to that is (Guru Granth ji answer) God does as he chooses and all though you praise Allah you seem to think he's not in-charge of his own decisions

God is fully in charge of every decision he makes, and when he makes it, it is firm and final, as he knows the full circumstances of it, and knows the fill consequences of it, as in islam God knows the future, which i assume in Sikhism he doesn't know the future, as he wouldn't need to change his mind!

 

[Mohsin]

ਸਭ ਤੇ ਅਪਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ ॥੨੭॥
सभ ते अपना नामु जपायो ॥ सति नामु काहूं न द्रिड़ायो ॥२७॥
He caused all to utter his name and did not give True Name of the Lord with firmness to anyone.27.

ਸਭ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥
सभ अपनी अपनी उरझाना ॥ पारब्रहम काहू न पछाना ॥
Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend the Supreme Brahman.

This only shows Sikhism in bad light, showing how little God, the aparbnt author of the verses, knows about muhammed PBUH's life. You should read his sirah, and learn that all Muhammed PBUH ever wanted to do was have people free to worship One God, without any partners, that's all he ever wanted. He was bribed by his enemies with women, money,status, servants, cities, but he refused all as it would mean he has failed in his message to have people worship One God

 

[Mohsin]

This is the meaning Brother

Non-Sikhs are allowed to visit and enter the most sacred shrine of the religion, The Golden Temple.

"Believers, know that the idolaters are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended" (9:26, Quran)

"Blessed is the place, and blessed are those who dwell there, where God's Name is meditated upon. The sermons and songs of God's praises are sung there and there is nothing but peace, poise and tranquillity." (Guru Arjan Dev, Raga Bilaval, pg. 816)

"If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? …The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives." (Bhagat Kabir, pg. 1349)

I'm sure you'll understand the context as it's self explanatory

No they are far from clear, but instead rather ambigious. The Qur'an says do not let non-muslims enter the holy mosque as it is a pure place only for muslims, (note it doesn't say no non-muslims are allowed to enter nay msoque anywhere in the world, to this day everywhere else in the world non-muslims can come into the mosque), and yet from this verse it says God lives in the mosque, and in the west. Read Brother Imran's post whioch shows verses from the Qur'an where God says his prescence is everywhere. If God sent the Gurus, surely the Gurus would have known what the Qur'an says

 

[Mohsin]

AvarAllahnoor you are still to reply to the two posts below addresed to you

AllahAvarNoor

You are still to reply to the following two posts i made

http://www.islamicboard.com/421619-post593.html

and also you haven't replied to my posrt which spoke out agianst your outrageous lie

http://www.islamicboard.com/421640-post597.html

 

[Mohsin]

Ye alhumdolilha thats true theres also another thing sikhs are like a crosstroke of hinduism and islam its abit of both which was joined because at the time hindus and muslims had big issue or shall i say real beef between each other lol not beef as beef but as big problems and the way nanak solved this was making a "religion" inbetween them both which both would agree on and as you can see the sikhs have really no foundations or anything if you want i can inshallah in couple of days sort an article out which will be like a combat kit against sikhism but inshallah i will need help from the beloved brother an dsisters from this forum

Insha'allah good work bro keep it up, once you've made your article i will suggest any other questions Sikhs have trouble understanding

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Insha'allah good work bro keep it up, once you've made your article i will suggest any other questions Sikhs have trouble understanding

I look forward to this 'article' and Mohsin i shall respnd tomorrow as i'm off home for now!

Waheguru ki ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

The Khalsa (pure ones) belong to the Lord and Victory to the Lord

 

[Mohsin]

I look forward to this 'article' and Mohsin i shall respnd tomorrow as i'm off home for now!

Waheguru ki ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

The Khalsa (pure ones) belong to the Lord and Victory to the Lord

brother, no need for yu to be worried about this article, isnha'allah my own questions in my posts of unanswered questions by sikhs should keep you occupied for now

 

[Fishman]

AvarAllahNoor, did you by any chance post that horrible message on my teacher's webite? I thought that all Sikhs were peaceful people until I saw that monstrosity filled with swearing, and talking about Sikhs kicking Muslims out of India? If not, I appologise, I just thought it might of been you because of the horrible things you said about my teacher (like calling him misguided etc).

Here's the message, but I will edit out all the swearing:

**** U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SIKHISM IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!

WE WERE THE ONE WHO THREW YOU OUT OF INDIA *** HOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUNT EVEN SAY ONE **** THING U PEACE IF ****!!!!!

MAY MOHAMMED TAKE U UPP HIS ***!!!

Again, if it wasn't you, please don't be offended from what I have said, you don't normally talk like that at all.

 

[imran_c]

What so funny is that the AvarAllahNoor hasnt answered my questions and has just side stepped from it. please brother go back to my questions and answer them inshallah (god willing) and for the post which fishman posted well muslims are portrayed as bad people in sikh paintings and so on.