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only pathetic ppl wud think that..
What are "Western values?"
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only pathetic ppl wud think that..
Totally correct (in Bold). I just think we should promote decency a bit more. DECENCY! We turned decency into something that should be shunned and reminiscent of oppression. Modesty is also something that should be promoted, all in all, promote CLASS, we need CLASS in the West! CLASS!
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@Dahir : Nice Picture you have there !
I guess, comparings between east and west can not been made. At least not in our century. Maybe someday, when Captain Picard is there
While West lives after democratic rules, freedom to do and to express what they like, in east, they still tend more to live after religious values. But there could be eternal discussions, which system would be better. This is also what happened few centuries ago in western world. So hold on, East, maybe in 2 centuries, you will reach the same standard than West
I guess, comparings between east and west can not been made. At least not in our century. Maybe someday, when Captain Picard is there
While West lives after democratic rules, freedom to do and to express what they like, in east, they still tend more to live after religious values. But there could be eternal discussions, which system would be better. This is also what happened few centuries ago in western world. So hold on, East, maybe in 2 centuries, you will reach the same standard than West
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Sad, but very true. It is up to those faithful, you all know who you are, to remind America, in the many ways you can... we're meant to serve the people. We are not meant to harm, rob or rape them.
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In honesty, I don't really see that much more 'class' in non-Western countries. But nevertheless, I agree with you, we must promote decency. But I don't agree with letting the state enforce it.
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When Abu Musab named the two conditions that had to be met before he would lay down his arms (this was one of his famous rants), the second condition was that Sharia be installed upon the whole of the Earth. I replied, using the issue of Jill Carroll as an example: The question I ask about Sharia is this. You say you can't harm a woman unless she is proven to be a spy conspiring against Muslims. Another group who call themselves Mujahideen, say they will execute Jill Carroll based on Sharia. Has Jill Carroll been proven to be a spy, conspiring against Muslims? Do YOU agree with this decision? If there is no AGREEMENT concerning Sharia, you have bigger problems to deal with and the sword has a lousy track record for solving these types of problems... {edit}
This is only one of many examples meant to demonstrate how the rule of Law (in any country) can become twisted. Perhaps by some, not intentionally, but no country, no religion and no court is immune to the problem.
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To some people yes. But *the west* as you put it, is made up of many people with many different values. You really cant generalise about this because what is acceptable to one westerner is completely unacceptable to another.
Yes there is an underclass as such whose values have become perverted to most decent minded people. But not all westerners are like that, and its not exclusive to the west either. All societies have one, even the most God-fearing, strictly religious society (of any religion) will have one, though often it is covered up and not reported about.
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Yes there is an underclass as such whose values have become perverted to most decent minded people. But not all westerners are like that, and its not exclusive to the west either. All societies have one, even the most God-fearing, strictly religious society (of any religion) will have one, though often it is covered up and not reported about.
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" We all follow law and order and judgements, the difference between us and (Them), is that we believe in God's laws, order and judgements, and not some opinions of some people".................[/I][/B]
......you see, the very bad, hard problem is that the above statement could have been written, and is also believed in the very heart of hearts of faithful Christians and Jews.
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Yes, well the learned sheikh has a valid point from his perspective of democracy - it is insane to point a gun at someone's head and say: Vote... or we'll kill you! What adds to this insanity is the humiliation... the people who make these demands aren't even your own. They're foreigners who have no understanding of your traditions and no respect for your people. They just want someone they can do business with, so the choices you're offered to vote on aren't even your own!
Now, as I understand it, Maliki is being told what to say and what not to say and a Muslim king upheld a U.S. request to deny a burial and for that, I doomed him to spend his eternity with that which is already buried in Jordanian soil that he feels is so damn pure it should not be 'stained'... because that's only fair. Maybe now that Israel and the U.S. are showing off their true colors he might come to understand why he shouldn't have been courting disaster?
America used to be the land of the free... the working class, who are the backbone of this country were honored with good, hard-working lives. That's what we were promised. Now, we're being treated like slaves and I for one and not going to just sit back and allow that to happen... and neither should the Muslims in their own lands.
This is something we all share in common!
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As for Maliki, if the U.S. controlled his voice like a puppet, he wouldn't have denounced Israel. Maliki is concerned for his own political future, and voicing support for Israel would be the end of his career in Iraq.
The working class in America has been damaged by the growth of mega corporations and outsourcing, of that there can be no doubt. This situation didn't happen overnight, and a country in the first stages of democracy and development does not have to make the same mistakes as the U.S. in that regard. Just because you vote doesn't mean you must adopt the same political and economic system as the U.S., and I think that reality has been accepted within the U.S. government.
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I mistrust Maliki only because of his penchant for political posturing. I was actually pleased when he stood up and told the U.S. he liked Iran and would not allow the U.S. to attack it from Iraq. I'll have faith in him if he stands by that decree. Likewise, I'll lift my curse on the King of Jordan if he decides to obey the law and allow a family to bury their dead. I'm not an unreasonable person and I'm willing to accept the fact that we (Americans) allowed the U.S. government to degrade... but we trusted them to handle politics while we handled the mechanics of life (all the vocations it takes combined to build a community)... and now we're all in the soup for that. So, I'm not as trusting these days.
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