Logic in Religion

[j4763]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Doesnt a cult normally involve all weird kind of rituals and sacrifices etc,




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Funny you should say that, to me a lot of established religions do just that. :rollseyes

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Funny you should say that, to me a lot of established religions do just that. :rollseyes

lol shows how little you understand religion

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Funny you should say that, to me a lot of established religions do just that. :rollseyes

I can understand how you think that. There are mnay times I question Islam for some random stuff..like shaving a baby's head when it is born and not being allowed to have dogs in the house...I pretty much always get the answer "Just trust Allah. He probably does this just to see if you will follow." But to me I generally follow logic, and question things that are illogical.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

I can understand how you think that. There are mnay times I question Islam for some random stuff..like shaving a baby's head when it is born and not being allowed to have dogs in the house...I pretty much always get the answer "Just trust Allah. He probably does this just to see if you will follow." But to me I generally follow logic, and question things that are illogical.

i tend to do the same, and i must say everything about Islam makes perfect sence to me Alhamdullilah.

If there is anything a person doesnt understand or finds illogical about islam its most probably due to his lack of understanding.
Btw sis i always understood why we should have Dogs in the house, its cause cleanliness is half our deen and dogs are just dirty right. Also dont we shave a baby's head so that we can measure the weight of gold we should give in charity? because thats what i've heard, subhanAllah im not sure u kno, neva saw hadith about it now that i think about it. im researching!!!

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

i tend to do the same, and i must say everything about Islam makes perfect sence to me Alhamdullilah.

If there is anything a person doesnt understand or finds illogical about islam its most probably due to his lack of understanding.
Btw sis i always understood why we should have Dogs in the house, its cause cleanliness is half our deen and dogs are just dirty right. Also dont we shave a baby's head so that we can measure the weight of gold we should give in charity? because thats what i've heard, subhanAllah im not sure u kno, neva saw hadith about it now that i think about it. im researching!!!

I think it is hilarious when people say dogs are dirty, when they are just as dirty as cats. Thus that argument is very illogical. Also, I have heard about the weight in gold, but if you think about it A. who has gold anymore and B. babies hardly have any hair when they are born;thus one would donate like less than a gram.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

I think it is hilarious when people say dogs are dirty, when they are just as dirty as cats. Thus that argument is very illogical. Also, I have heard about the weight in gold, but if you think about it A. who has gold anymore and B. babies hardly have any hair when they are born;thus one would donate like less than a gram.

no sis the WEIGHT in gold, think about it hair doesnt weight very much and dont take the word "gold" literally, it just means money i think.

sis you seem to know a lot about the hygiene system of cats n dogs, now personally i always thought of dogs as the dirty ones, however i heard islamically cats have been allowed as pets due o there cleanliness. what do you base your statement of cats being dirty on? what do they do thats so dirty?

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Speaking as someone who has had several dogs and cats throughout my life, cats are dirtier than dogs. I was even a pet bather and noticed the same. Dogs go to the bathroom outside. Cats go in a litterbox and get litter all over the house. Both eat feces. Both groom themselves regularly. Both step in their own excrement. Both are loving. Dogs are more like friends, while cats are more like children. Both throw up on occasion. Both lick you. Anythingn else you need to know?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

i see, and all this time i thought cats are clean :X

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

It's funny because I have heard people say part of the reason Muslims aren't allowed to eat pigs is because they are so dirty, but they are just as dirty as any other farm animal. Also, I have heard it is because pigs eat feces-pretty much every species of animal eats feces of some sort.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

It's funny because I have heard people say part of the reason Muslims aren't allowed to eat pigs is because they are so dirty, but they are just as dirty as any other farm animal. Also, I have heard it is because pigs eat feces-pretty much every species of animal eats feces of some sort.

hmm... you have quite a lot of doubts, im 100% pigs are extremely dirty compared to other animals, zakir naik cleared that one up. Even eating a well cooked piece of pork doesnt completely eliminate chances of catching a disease. Zakir naik gave a lot of good points sis, but i saw it a long time ago :X

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

A fully cooked cow doesn't kill all of the disease either so what is your point? Pigs are more intelligent than other farm animals. In terms of dirtiness, there is no difference- I have lived on a ranch with cows, pigs, goats, horses, chickens, etc.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

A fully cooked cow doesn't kill all of the disease either so what is your point? Pigs are more intelligent than other farm animals. In terms of dirtiness, there is no difference- I have lived on a ranch with cows, pigs, goats, horses, chickens, etc.

like i sed, zakir naik, chek out his lectures inshaAllah :thumbs_up

honestly sis, he nicely proves in scientific terms what makes pigs more dirty then most animals!

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Science can be used both ways...anyways back to the topic at hand...

 

[azim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

A fully cooked cow doesn't kill all of the disease either so what is your point? Pigs are more intelligent than other farm animals. In terms of dirtiness, there is no difference- I have lived on a ranch with cows, pigs, goats, horses, chickens, etc.

The point the brother was making earlier is that pigs have substanially higher amount of toxins and a much higher level of dangerous trans fat than any other commonly eaten animal.

Anyway, we shouldn't presume that the above reason is the reason we're not allowed to eat pig meat. The deen is proven to us by other methods.

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Azim, I can scientifically prove that cats are just as dirty as dogs. Science is constantly twisted to prove the point one wants to make...

 

[czgibson]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Greetings,

Philosophers have all pretty much unanimously agreed that our logic is very limited, and is very restricted, a single piece of information can upset the logical conclusions we have come to. That isn't to say that we shouldnt use logic, but we shouldnt assume that our logic is the greatest and most fail proof method by which to life.

Hey! Don't diss logic - without it you wouldn't be conversing on the internet!

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, so just to be clear, perhaps you could name some of the philosophers you have in mind and what exactly they've said about logic and its efficacy.

Peace

 

[MuslimCONVERT]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

The issue is what does it entail to use logic. For example, is a Muslim saying, "Just trust Allah" illogical? If you ask why a Muslim can't eat pork or have a dog in the house, and you talk to him/her about it for a while, and finally they just say "trust Allah" -there is nothing illogical about this. The reason is because The Qu'ran is meticulously preserved, and is the complete word of God. Now a Muslim does not accept the Qu'ran on blind faith, and neither do we accept the Messenger Muhammad (saas) on blind faith. In fact, the root word for Iman, the Arabic word for faith, is Eminah, which means, "Confirmation." -So a Muslim has faith, but that's only because he/she has thought about al Qu'ran and the personality of Muhammad (saas), deduced that the Qu'ran is the word of God and Muhammad (saas) is His final Messenger. This has been proven to the Muslim by logic and reasoning. So then, when a Muslim finds something in Al-Qu'ran that may not have a suitable answer immediatley, and says simple, "Trust Allah." -This is not illogical or unreasonable. After all, the Qu'ran is from God and very logical evidences and proofs can be shown to deduce that. So if the Qu'ran is undoubtedly from God, as it is, then one need not question it's dictates when an individual comes to a question they can't find an answer to immediatley.

It is not the same as a Christian saying, "Trust Jesus." -Because the next logical question qould be, "where do I find what he said? and they say, "The Bible" and then the next question is, "How do I know he said that?" and then one goes on to relate the endless discoveries and proofs that question the Bibles authenticity.

The real issue comes down to whether or not one is logical enough and rational enough, and uses their reason enough to "trust Allah" -and not whether or not Allah (swt) was right. Once you trust Him you know He's right, and you trust Him because you used reason in the first place!

Salaamz!

 

[azim]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

Greetings,


Hey! Don't diss logic - without it you wouldn't be conversing on the internet!

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, so just to be clear, perhaps you could name some of the philosophers you have in mind and what exactly they've said about logic and its efficacy.

Peace

The source is a series called Greek, Indian and Arabic Logic, I'll look up the page number and get back to you.

As a whole, I'm not saying that logic should not be used or relied upon. It's just important to keep in mind that logic is quite often based upon the knowledge we have open to us, and our knowledge is always limited and restricted - so logic too will have its limits and restrictions.

As for the Islamic practices of dog-banishment and baby-shaving, I can't see any logical worldly reason why those would be good things for people to do.

As far as shaving the babies head - a logical reason could be that it strengthens the tips of the hair and hair often grows thicker and stronger. As for not keeping dogs as pets, you could argue that maintaining a dog is a waste of money when that money could be going elsewhere (i.e. human beings who are starving).

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

However, anyone can still question Islam easily...it all comes down to trust. Do you trust that the people wrote the qu'ran down as it was told? Do you trust what Muhammad pbuh said he experienced? And to be honest, I do have some doubt because people shouldn't be trusted and people are well-known liars. Only Allah swt knows the truth, but we will never 100% know. For me I take the out look "better safe than sorry"

 

[mlsh27]

Re: What’s the difference between a cult and a religion?

As far as shaving the babies head - a logical reason could be that it strengthens the tips of the hair and hair often grows thicker and stronger. As for not keeping dogs as pets, you could argue that maintaining a dog is a waste of money when that money could be going elsewhere (i.e. human beings who are starving).

On the opposite side of your logic, but if you do not bring this stray dog into your house, it will die on the streets or be euthanized. I view animals and people on the same level, so I don't buy your argument.