Speaking to friend about marital problems?

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wa alaykum ass salaam,

it says its in the 'saheeh', i think that's bukhari?
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yeah, when something's said it's in the saheeh...generally like that ..they mean in Bukhari!!....wallaahu a3lam

if you have the hadeeth ith you akhee..could you post it up!!...jazakallahu khayr :)

btw that happened when Ismail was 14.. pretty young mashalah
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subhanAllah, really...i did'nt know that!..mahsaAllah!!

the word is '3atabatal baab'... i thought it meant doorstep.. maybe your right? dunno
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hmmm...you know i just checked in the dictionary...and it says doorstep,threshold..guess you were right...:-\

i wonder how the doorsteps back in those days were like!!??:?
 
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^^ salams sis, sorry i retracted those comments :embarrass :embarrass i saw the sahih under a different hadith on the same page, reeeally sorry..

but yeh he was 14.. hehe yeh young mashalah..

actually i think doorstep sounds more appropriate than a frontgate lol.. if your doorstep is firm and solid, it's a methaphor representative of a 'well establisehd, peaceful household'... and when a doorstep is screwed, it's a metaphor representing problems when you enter the house..

frontgate isn't as important as doortep, you can still come in and out of ur house without a front gate :D ;) :p as long as the main doorstep is in good condition lol
 
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ass salaamu alaykum,

and basically the commentator (it sounds like ibn katheer) sayst hat the hadith has some 'gharaabah' in it,
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it's gahreeb....:ooh:

and it's like its likely ibn abbas (the narrator) learnt it from an israelite story... allahu alam.
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na3am, also ibnu katheer yahkeey katheerun min al-israaeliyyaat!!...:X

so Allahu a3lam abouts it's authenciticty...i'll check with one of my teachers inshaAllah!!
 
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but they're cool stories tho :D i dont midn ibn katheer narrating them because he's honest and he says what's false and what's not.. so that's cool..

oh and he didn't say the hadith is ghareeb, he said it contains 'gharaabah', and in specific he said the ghareeb was in a variation of that hadith, so i guess someone might wanna go digup what the scholars final judgement on the hadtih was? (because ibn kathir didnt giv any final judgement).

salamz
 
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^um thats interesting and all, but what does it have to do with 1st post??

ibnu katheer yahkeey katheerun min al-israaeliyyaat!
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curious, does this mean that ibn katheer talks a lot about the israaeliyyaat? lol um like lolwatever my arabic sucks.
 
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^^ yep ur right, ur arabic is pretty good mashalah if u understood that..

ps: my arabic sux more.
 
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ass salaamu alaykum,

salams sis, sorry i retracted those comments i saw the sahih under a different hadith on the same page, reeeally sorry..
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that's okay inshaAllah! :peace:

actually i think doorstep sounds more appropriate than a frontgate lol.. if your doorstep is firm and solid, it's a methaphor representative of a 'well establisehd, peaceful household'... and when a doorstep is screwed, it's a metaphor representing problems when you enter the house..
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doorstep...loool!!
hmmmmm...Allahu A3lam but i guess your more right than I!! :?

frontgate isn't as important as doorstep
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frongate..as in the frongate's in the middle east , those huge big one's that leads to the courtyard and the main house & that can only be opened from whoever's inside...:D
not these pixie ones we have in England...:giggling:

as long as the main doorstep is in good condition lol
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lol .... it still don't make sense to me, maybe cause i thought it was a frontgate all these years :X

BTW: in the link you gave me...where's the hadeeth!!??...i still can't see it :uhwhat:
 
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ps: it's relevent coz the reason y ibrahim told him to divorce was coz she was going on about personal matters that where just 'too personal' to talk about.. accodrng to amirah coz i didnt read the full hadith i quoted :p
 
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amirah, key in the word ''3atabah' and it will take u down to the hadith.. salamz
 
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^i thought it was becuase she wasnt happy with her condition of life and complained that they were poor ect? :?
 
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^^ i dont think so, but ill read it now.. now im curious 2 find out lol
salam
 
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woa cheese mashalah! you're right!!

based on what the second wife said, the first one seems to be a winger lol, coz they seemed pretty well off from what the second wife said. (meat was a luxury back then)

salamz
 
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cheese said:
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^i thought it was becuase she wasnt happy with her condition of life and complained that they were poor ect? :?
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ass salaamu alaykum,

yeah, that's why!!

akhee... under which chapter is the hadeeth in!!.... key in 3atabat ..where :?:?
 
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قال عبد الله بن عبَّاس قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: « فألفى ذلك أمَّ إسماعيل وهي تحب الأنس، فنزلوا وأرسلوا إلى أهليهم، فنزلوا معهم حتى إذا كان بها أهل أبيات منهم. وشبَّ الغلام وتعلّم العربية منهم وأنفسهم وأعجبهم حين شب، فلما أدرك، زوّجوه امرأة منهم. وماتت أم إسماعيل، فجاء إبراهيم بعد ما تزوج إسماعيل، يطالع تركته فلم يجد إسماعيل، فسأل امرأته عنه؟ فقالت: خرج يبتغي لنا. ثم سألها عن عيشهم وهيئتهم؟ فقالت: نحن بشرٍّ نحن في ضيق وشدّةٍ وشكت إليه. قال: فإذا جاء زوجك فاقرئي عليه السلام وقولي له يغيّر عتبة بابه. فلما جاء إسماعيل كأنه آنس شيئاً، فقال: هل جاءكم من أحد؟ فقالت: نعم جاءنا شيخ كذا كذا، فسألنا عنك فأخبرته، وسألني كيف عيشنا فأخبرته أنا في جهد وشدة. قال: فهل أوصاك بشيء؟ قالت: نعم أمرني أن أقرأ عليك السلام، ويقول لك غيّر عتبة بابك. قال: ذاك أبي وقد أمرني أن أفارقك، فالحقي بأهلك، وطلقها وتزوَّج منهم أخرى، ولبث عنهم إبراهيم ما شاء الله. ثم أتاهم بعد فلم يجده، فدخل على امرأته فسألها عنه؟ فقالت: خرج يبتغي لنا، قال: كيف أنتم؟ وسألها عن عيشهم وهيئتهم، فقالت: نحن بخير وسعة، وأثنت على الله عز وجل، فقال: ما طعامكم؟ قالت: اللحم قال: فما شرابكم؟ قالت: الماء. قال اللهم بارك لهم في اللحم والماء. قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: ولم يكن لهم يومئذ حب. ولو كان لهم حب لدعا لهم فيه قال: فهما لا يخلو عليهما أحد بغير مكة إلا لم يوافقاه. قال: فإذا جاء زوجك فاقرئي عليه السلام ومُريه يثبت عتبة بابه. فلما جاء إسماعيل قال هل أتاكم من أحد؟ قالت: نعم أتانا شيخ حسن الهيئة، وأثنت عليه، فسألني عنك فأخبرته فسألني كيف عيشنا؟ فأخبرته أنّا بخير. قال: فأوصاك بشيء؟ قالت: نعم هو يقرأ عليك السلام ويأمرك أن تثبت عتبة بابك. قال: ذاك أبي وأنت العتبة، أمرني أن أمسكك. ثم ما لبث عنهم ما شاء الله. ثم جاء بعد ذلك وإسماعيل يبري نَبْلاً له تحت دوحةٍ قريباً من زمزم، فلما رآه قام إليه فصنعا، كما يصنع الوالد بالولد، والولد بالوالد. ثم قال: يا إسماعيل إن الله أمرني بأمر، قال: فاصنع ما أمرك به ربك، قال: وتعينني؟ قال: وأعينك. قال: فإن الله أمرني أن أبني هاهنا بيتاً، وأشار إلى أكمة مرتفعة على ما حولها. قال فعند ذلك رفعا القواعد من البيت، فجعل إسماعيل يأتي بالحجارة، وإبراهيم يبني حتى إذا ارتفع البناء، جاء بهذا الحجر فوضعه له فقام عليه، وهو يبني وإسماعيل يناوله الحجارة، وهما يقولان» «رَبَّنَا تَقَبَّلْ مِنَّا إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ» . « قال: فجعلا يبنيان، حتى يدورا حول البيت، وهما يقولان: » «رَبَّنَا تَقَبَّلْ مِنَّا إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ» .
ثم قال: حَدَّثَنا عبد الله بن محمد، حَدَّثَنا أبو عامر عبد الملك بن عمرو، حَدَّثَنا إبراهيم بن نافع، عن كثير بن كثير، عن سعيد بن جبير، عن ابن عبَّاس قال: لما كان من إبراهيم وأهله ما كان، خرج بإسماعيل وأم إسماعيل ومعهم شَنَّةٌ فيها ماء. وذكر تمامه بنحو ما تقدم.

وهذا الحديث من كلام ابن عبَّاس وموشح برفع بعضه، وفي بعضه غرابة، وكأنه مما تلقاه ابن عبَّاس عن الإسرائيليات، وفيه أن إسماعيل كان رضيعاً إذ ذاك
 
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^^ there u go lol.. its from that page.. towards teh middle
ok better get back 2 topic b4 the mod or creator ofthis thread eats me alive

im going into hiding now..
salamz
 
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ass salaamu alaykum,

LOL!!....jazaakAllahu khayran akhee!!...

yeah back on topic...well this is sorta ....right :p
 
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^ yeah it's really off topic but I got some good Muraaja3ah just now masha'allah :giggling:

So I guess the answer is already clear? We shouldn't just go and talk about everything and anything about our family or our husbands/wives to other people just for the sake of talking, because who knows? in doing so we might hurt our husbands/wifes / family's honor and reputation and as we know Rasulullah peace be upon him said :

Inna Dimaa'akum Wa Amwaalakum Wa A3raadhakum 3alaikum Haraam Kahurmati Yaumikum Hadhaa....

Verily Your (Muslims) Blood, and Wealth and Honour is Sacred as how this day of yours today is sacred..."
 
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ass salaamu alaykum,

Maw!!...fee shahrikum haadhaa wa fee balidikum haadhaa!! ;)
reminds me of our sheikh yahya hafidhahullah :'(

you heard about the qissat withthose 13/11 sahaabiyyat talkin'/describing there husbands..??
what we would say about that!!??

i think it was hadeeth umm darr or abu darr or aisha :hiding:

ya Allah i need to do more muraaja3ah BIG TIME!! :(
 

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