OFFICIAL: Israel lists Conditions NECESSARY for Peace!

[searchingsoul]

In what way do you feel it is neccessary to destroy the civilian infrastructure of an entire country to destory a single organisation?

As the news shows, this war hasn't weakened Hezbollah at all.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5239568.stm

It's sad but Lebanon did neglect to disarm Hezbollah. This makes Lebanon responsible for the Hezbollah actions.

 

[wilberhum]

In what way do you feel it is neccessary to destroy the civilian infrastructure of an entire country to destory a single organisation?

What would your sugestion be? How would you destroy Hezbollah?

 

[azim]

What would your sugestion be? How would you destroy Hezbollah?

That's the thing, everyones looking at Hezbollah as the instigator of this war.

If I was the leader of a country which came into existence by stealing land from another people then I hope I'd have enough moral strength to resign from the post and move somewhere else.

Hypothetically speaking though, there is no real way to destroy a guerilla group unless the cause for that guerilla group to exist is eliminated.

Like I said, if everyone Hezbollah memeber was captured and killed today, tomorrow there would be people to take their place. They have a real and serious greivance that should be addressed. It's too easy to claim a people only exist out of some random need for violence and destruction and that they need to be destroyed, it's a lot harder to sit down and think about why they exist in the first place.

 

[wilberhum]

That's the thing, everyones looking at Hezbollah as the instigator of this war.

If I was the leader of a country which came into existence by stealing land from another people then I hope I'd have enough moral strength to resign from the post and move somewhere else.

Hypothetically speaking though, there is no real way to destroy a guerilla group unless the cause for that guerilla group to exist is eliminated.

Like I said, if everyone Hezbollah memeber was captured and killed today, tomorrow there would be people to take their place. They have a real and serious greivance that should be addressed. It's too easy to claim a people only exist out of some random need for violence and destruction and that they need to be destroyed, it's a lot harder to sit down and think about why they exist in the first place.

Are you saying that Isreal has 1 of 2 choices. Do what they are doing or 7 million people packup and leave.

 

[azim]

Are you saying that Isreal has 1 of 2 choices. Do what they are doing or 7 million people packup and leave.

Packing up and leaving would be fair, though not feasible.

I'd say a serious solution would be fairly distribute the population of Palestine in Israel (seeing as how the Palestinians own the land in the first place, this is a compromise on behalf of the Palestinians) rather than letting them rot in over-populated refugee camps and villages.

Palestinians were ripped from their entire lives and futures when Israel took the land. If any serious peace is going to be acheived, then the living conditions of the Palestinians and Israeli's should be equal.

 

[wilberhum]

I'd say a serious solution would be fairly distribute the population of Palestine in Israel

But every time Isreal open the gates Suicide Boomers come in. It only seams reasonable, at least to me, that Israel can not tolerate that.

 

[azim]

But every time Isreal open the gates Suicide Boomers come in. It only seams reasonable, at least to me, that Israel can not tolerate that.

Your missing the point - if Palestinians were not forced to live the way they do - they're wouldn't be any suicide bombers.

As long as Israel oppresses the masses, resistance of some form will continue.

 

[wilberhum]

Your missing the point - if Palestinians were not forced to live the way they do - they're wouldn't be any suicide bombers.

As long as Israel oppresses the masses, resistance of some form will continue.

It would be real nice if we could trun back the clock. We could solve/eleminate all problems. But we can't. The situation that Palestinians live in is a discrace to humanity. But there are suicide bombers and if Isreal open the gates, they will go in. So what does Isreal do?

 

[guyabano]

Hey wilberhum.

It's great you can make such strong factless statements about the populous of a country you know very little about, whose living conditions you could never imagine and about political situations that go back decades.

GO YOU!!!

Well, honestly..........he's right ! Even if Israel would drop all arms and give back all land, still there would be some troublemakers !

 

[azim]

Well, honestly..........he's right ! Even if Israel would drop all arms and give back all land, still there would be some troublemakers !

If Israel dropped all their arms and gave back the land - there would be no reason to make trouble.

If there were troublemakers - they'd be making trouble for completely different reasons so it'd be a different situation to consider.

It's like saying "What's the point of curing cancer when people will still die from AID's!".

 

[nimrod]

“I'd say a serious solution would be to fairly distribute the population of Palestine in Israel (seeing as how the Palestinians own the land in the first place, this is a compromise on behalf of the Palestinians) rather than letting them rot in over-populated refugee camps and villages”.

I have to wonder which would result in less harm for Palestinians, distributing them through out Israel, or through out the Muslim nations.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Dahir]

I have to wonder which would result in less harm for Palestinians, distributing them through out Israel, or through out the Muslim nations.

Neither, the good Palestinian people were brainwashed by hellbent ultra-Nationalist pan-Arab nations into the thought of destroying Israel, then brainwashed by radical clerics to destroy the pan-Arab nations, who supposedly are sheep for the US.

I doubt the Palestinian people are compatable with any modern, peaceful society, 50+ years of brainwashing does that, sadly.

 

[nimrod]

Dahir, you may be right, but I sure hope not.

I have a hard time believing that the mothers in Palestine wouldn’t want to try something new in a different land, in order to save their children.

Surely at least the Moms have had enough of this dieing of their children. I can’t bring myself to think otherwise.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Keltoi]

Does anyone know what the Palestinians are demanding? I haven't heard a reasonable list of demands that would result in a peaceful end to the violence. Yasser Arafat was given a good deal, but he backed out due to the so-called "right of return", which is an obvious non-starter and always has been. Sometimes I wonder if there is anything short of the end of Israel that will actually end the violence.

 

[nimrod]

Keltoi, do you remember what happened to Sadat when he made peace with Israel?

I am sure that Arafat was bearing that in mind, as he rejected the peace deal.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Dahir]

Does anyone know what the Palestinians are demanding?

That list is more eXtreme than the Tony Hawk!

 

[S_87]

ensure that Hezbollah will never return to the Israeli-Lebanese border;

so the israeli army can continue terrorising the palestinians.

obtain the release of two Israeli soldiers captured by Hezbollah guerrillas July 12;

''but since we arent going to get them this is a good excuse to bomb up lebanon''

stop Hezbollah from shooting missiles and rockets into Israel;

''but we are quite enjoying bombing lebanon over air''

prevent the Lebanon-based militant group from rearming with missiles and rockets from Syria and Iran;

they are a big threat

and
free Lebanon from Hezbollah's control

because we are scared

 

[azim]

Neither, the good Palestinian people were brainwashed by hellbent ultra-Nationalist pan-Arab nations into the thought of destroying Israel, then brainwashed by radical clerics to destroy the pan-Arab nations, who supposedly are sheep for the US.

I doubt the Palestinian people are compatable with any modern, peaceful society, 50+ years of brainwashing does that, sadly.

Aaah, so thats why the Palestinians are so pissed off. And theres me thinking ft was the fact they're land was stolen from them and being made to live a life of poverty in refugee camps and over populated strips of desert land. Guess we learn something everyday.