Israel = Hitler and even worse

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Geronimo, have you failed to identify that Lenni Brenner is a full Jew according to the Jewish Law. In addition, Lenni Brenner is known to be a strong advocate against Zionism and not the Jews, further, Marxism is incompatible with Zionism and not Judaism as you might have asserted.

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No he isn't a Jew. He renounced his faith. Essentially he's an Atheist. As for Marx it don't think he seemed to high on Jews

What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money

If the Jews want to become free, they should profess belief not in Christianity, but in the dissolution of Christianity, in the dissolution of religion in general, that is to say, in enlightenment, criticism and its consequence, free humanity

The Christian has to surmount only one stage, namely, that of his religion, in order to give up religion altogether, and therefore to become free. The Jew, on the other hand, has to break not only with his Jewish nature, but also with the development towards perfecting his religion, a development which has remained alien to him

The Jew contributes nothing to mankind if he himself disregards his narrow law, if he invalidates his entire Judaism

We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development - to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed - has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.
 
Study this sentence very carefuly...

Once you become an Atheist. Or in other words declare that there is no such thing as God, you have destroyed your 'Jewishness' for say. To denounce the reality of God existing is in fact one of if not the worst sins of Judaism, and I believe you must convert back if you declare you do not believe in God, and then wish to come back to Judaism.

So in a sense if what I have learned in my classes is correct, by Jewish standards if he really was an Atheist at one point of his life, he is therrfore no Jewish unless he converted back which is highly unlikly since he became a Marxist.

Hello ManchesterFolk

You seem to have missed the gist of my previous reply and I am not suprised.

Lenni Brenner is considered a secular Jew as the many Jewish people in USA or Israel identify them with secular and yet remain unaffliated with any religion and are still identified as Jews.

However, I have side-tracked from the main topic, namely the Jewish Nazi Soldiers :)
 
Rigg brings up the inevitable question of what Mischlinge knew about the Holocaust, Most claimed not to have comprehended what was going on until after the war; they did not want to know and would not or could not believe it. Some even witnessed the deportations of family members, but did not realize their fate at the time. One even manned a flak gun while the Nazis deported his two brothers to an OT forced labor camp. A few of those claimed to know quite a lot about what was going on in the concentration camps, but said it was all unsubstantiated, and who could they ask about the truth anyway? And what could they have done? Some only realized the truth when they were deported from OT forced labor camps to concentration camps, and even then they did not realize the extent of the systematic extermination of Jews.

Although Rigg did not document any Mischlinge that participated in killings of Jews when asked, there were some people of Jewish descent who were perpetrators. Field Marshall Erhard Milch, for example, is considered a German Jewish war criminal, and Dr. Hans Eppinger performed horrible experiments on inmates of Dachau. Rigg found other examples as well, but for the most part these were rare.

Interesting link:

http://academic.kellogg.edu/mandel/pritchard_rev.htm
 
No he isn't a Jew. He renounced his faith. Essentially he's an Atheist. As for Marx it don't think he seemed to high on Jews

Hehe, Marxism. I would be more than happy to discuss with you about Marxism and whether Marx's words is literally followed by all Marxists. I have studied Marxism and its connection with Judaism privately so I would be more than glad to contribute but for that, you have to start a new thread.

Stick to the main subject of the topic and lets avoid side-tracking.

Regards
 
Of course some of these perpertraitors were of "Jewish descent"

But that is it. By Jewish law they are considered gentiles (nonjews)...

They would not have been aloud to be in the German Army if they were Jewish. These perpetraitors were not Jewish by Jewish Law. You can't be 'half jewish'

No one has presented me any links to German Military law from 1939-1945 that says Jews can serve. That is because I believe they WERE NOT aloud to serve if they were Jewish by Jewish law.
 
Of course some of these perpertraitors were of "Jewish descent"

But that is it. By Jewish law they are considered gentiles (nonjews)...

They would not have been aloud to be in the German Army if they were Jewish. These perpetraitors were not Jewish by Jewish Law. You can't be 'half jewish'

No one has presented me any links to German Military law from 1939-1945 that says Jews can serve. That is because I believe they WERE NOT aloud to serve if they were Jewish by Jewish law.


From the Simon Wisenthal Center

Mischlinge in Germany.

(Lit., "hybrids"), part Jews. The Nuremberg Laws of September 1935 did not mention Mischlinge, but they were noted in the laws' first implementation ordinance of November 1935. Mischlinge of the first degree, or half Jews, were those who had two Jewish grandparents, did not belong to the Jewish religion, and were not married to a Jewish person as of September 15, 1935. Mischlinge of the second degree, or quarter Jews, were those with one Jewish grandparent; this category also included Aryan partners in mixed marriages. The census of 1939 showed that seventy - two thousand Mischlinge of the first degree and thirty - nine thousand of the second degree were still living in Germany.
Generally, the policy was to absorb the Mischlinge of the second degree into the German nation, whereas those of the first degree were equated with Jews. At the end of 1941 and at the Wansee Conference proposals were made that all Mischlinge of the first degree be sterilized. However, a firm policy was never adopted because of fears of possible repercussions among the large number of German relatives of the Mischlinge. The only Mischlinge killed were concentration camp inmates who had been arrested in the 1930s; these were transferred to Auschwitz at the end of 1942.


Mischlinge in Other Countries.

A lack of uniformity in the attitude toward Mischlinge also characterized the policy in conquered countries. When Dutch Jews were ordered to register in January 1941, Mischlinge of the second degree were included. But quarter Jews were not relocated to Amsterdam or deported. Dutch Jews were allowed to petition the General Commission for Administration and Justice for the Occupied Netherlands Territory for exemption from the status of full Jew and half Jew. Dr. Hans Georg Calmeyer, who handled many of the applications, was extremely lenient. He also recommended that Jews whose applications were under consideration not be sent deported. Another aspect of the treatment of Mischlinge in the Netherlands arose in the context of marriages between Jews and "Aryans." The 8,610 registered Jewish partners in these unions were essentially given the option of deportation or undergoing sterilization to prevent them from bringing further Mischlinge into the world; 2,562 were sterilized. A number of those who had been sterilized were killed anyway. After the ghettoization of Polish Jewry, Mischlinge of all degrees were also put in the ghettos. In Slovakia, however, they were exempted from deportation to extermination camps.

Hitler and the Mischlinge.

For Adolf Hitler, the Mischlinge issue was of paramount importance. All potential approvals for a change in status had to be referred to Hitler, as were permits for Mischlinge to serve in the military, and for mixed marriages involving Mischlinge. Hitler exempted some 260 officers or their wives who were Mischlinge of the first degree; by 1942, some 340 Jews had been equalized with Mischlinge of the first degree; and by means of legal fiction; he also granted the status of half Jew to some 3,000 Jews. After the attempt on his life on July 20, 1944, Hitler ordered that civil servants who were Mischlinge, or who were married to Jews or Mischlinge, could no longer hold high governmental office, even if their partners had previously been equalized with "Aryans." This new regulation affected a wide range of people in important posts. The ferreting out of Mischlinge in the party ranks was much more thorough than demanded by state law, and expulsions from the Nazi party embraced Mischlinge even up to the fifth degree. Hitler also issued general instructions that the offspring of political leaders were not to marry Mischlinge, even if the latter had received equal status with Germans

In the definition, it does not exclude those who had Jewish Mothers from having the status of Mischlinge. The degree of Mischlinge was based on the number of Jewish Grandparents, not on the religion of the parents.

The link:

http://motlc.learningcenter.wiesenthal.org/text/x25/xm2528.html
 
According to the 1939 Reich census, there were about 72,000 Mischlinge of the 1st degree, some 39,000 of the 2nd degree, and tens of thousands more of higher degrees. [D. Bankier, in: Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Volume 3, Number 1 (1988), pp.1-20.]

Are you saying they all fought in the German Army since someone through the number '150,000' out there?
 
According to the 1939 Reich census, there were about 72,000 Mischlinge of the 1st degree, some 39,000 of the 2nd degree, and tens of thousands more of higher degrees. [D. Bankier, in: Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Volume 3, Number 1 (1988), pp.1-20.]

Are you saying they all fought in the German Army since someone through the number '150,000' out there?

I doubt if all of them fought in the German Army. I did not notice the 150,000 number.

I think this is an important part of WW2 history to be brought out. For the simple reason, truth can only be known if all facts are shown.

Many of my old friends from who were WW2 holocoust survivors felt betrayed by the Mischlinge. I believe that side should also be shown.
 
but israel is not the the jews country!.......

read the torah!!!!!!!!! read the bible!!!!!!!!!!! god said that the jewish people has no land...... why???? because they didnt listen to him and worshipped pagan gods........ remember the gold calf??????? that i just an example
 
read the torah!!!!!!!!! read the bible!!!!!!!!!!! god said that the jewish people has no land...... why???? because they didnt listen to him and worshipped pagan gods........ remember the gold calf??????? that i just an example


First off, I cannot even understand you’re English. Second, the golden calf had nothing to do with the 3 oaths.

The 3 oaths with Hashem were:

Jews must not mass conquer a country while in exile.
Jews must follow the laws of the non-jewish run country as long as it down not conflict with Jewish law.
If the Non-Jews oppress and persecute the Jews than the Jews are released by the first two oaths and you no longer are tied to oath 1 or 2.

The Holocaust made it under the third oath that the Jews no longer had to abide by the first or second.

Plus was Israel 'mass conquered' by Jews... No. The UN voted it as a country. Therefore Israel was not a country voted on by a single Jewish party during its creation.Either way it is irrelevant, the holocaust completly violated the third oath.

Go read a book or gain some knowledge before you insult anyone who knows anything about Judaism by speaking about it again.

I'm insulted by the lies you made, the same way you would be insulted if I lied about Islam.

I hope you’re big enough to apologize for mistakenly or not mistakenly lying about my religion.

What we are not aloud to do is build the temple until the Messiah comes, and a few fringes of jews say less religious jews might try and so they hate the secular jews.

PM me for more info on Jewish Law and customs or you can visit my thread in the Comparative religion topic. We are getting very off topic here.
 
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You Think I Have Insultet You?????????
If That Is True I Say Sorry! But The Same Should Count For You!!!!!!!!!! You Insult Who Ever You Want.....

You Dont Understand My English???????????
If Allah Had Not Cursed You "as He Do Atleast In The Bible" Why Is It Then That Allmost All The Jews Lived Elswhere Than Israel????
 
Why Is It Then That Allmost All The Jews Lived Elswhere Than Israel????

Because the Jewish land was conqured, our temple burnt, and the Jews were sent away.

The Holy Land has been conquered many times. Islam was not able to defend it from conqueres either and they had much larger armies than the Jews.

I'm truly sorry if I insulted you. I just get easily angered when complete lies are told about my religion and the Torah.
 
Time out. Let us all return to reason. We can all learn to disagree with respect.
 
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Occupation date April 23rd,1948

Elevation from the sea Elevation varied between 50 meters in the coastal area to 500 meter on Mount Carmel.
Maps Map of Haifa city

Map of Haifa district and neighboring villages

Attacking Israeli force The Zionist forces were made up of 5,000 soldiers mostly organized by Haganah (Carmeli Brigade) and some IZL troops. The attack on Arab Haifa started on the 21st of April and was initiated from Hadara Ha Carmel (Haifa's Jewish neighborhood), which aimed to split the city into three separate and isolated pockets (operation Misbarayim meaning scissor).
The 1st attacking force was directed from Wadi Rashmya towards the Northeastern neighborhoods of Arab Haifa, the 2nd attacking force was directed toward the Arab neighborhood next to the port, and the 3rd attacking was directed toward the commercial district.

Click here, to read more about the battle for for Haifa in Arabic.

City defenders The city was poorly defended with 350-500 Palestinian volunteers and some Arab Liberation Army (ALA). Haifa's defense was headed by Ahmad al-Huneiti (a Jordanian national), who was killed on March 17th, 1948 while supplying the city with a major arms shipment, 12 tons of explosives, from Beirut-Lebanon. This arms shipment was meant to reinforce Haifa's crumbling defenses, and to boost it moral. Based on a tip from a British commander stationed in the area, a Haganah force that was stationed nearby Kiryat Motzkin, a Zionist colony between Haifa and Acre, ambushed and killed Mr. al-Huneiti. The death of Ahmad al-Huneiti had a major demoralizing affect on Haifa's Arab population. On March 27th, 1948, Ameen 'Izz al-Deen took up the responsibility of defending Haifa until its surrender on the April 23rd, 1948.

Just prior to the city's surrender, close to 300 fighters from the al-Tira, a Palestinian village located 7 km southeast of Haifa, attempted to reinforce Haifa's crumbling defenses. As they headed down to Arab Haifa, they were confronted by a British force commanded by General Stockholm, who commanded Haifa's British forces at the time, and they were forced to turned back. The people of al-Tira are a very good example of how a poorly armed, but well determined and stubborn fighters, can stand up to the Zionist might. Despite all the odds, al-Tira withstood a siege and an onslaught for more than three months until its occupation in late July 1948.

It should be noted that close to 700 of Transjordan's Arab Legionnaires (who were give strict orders not intervene by H.M. King Abdullah and their commanding British officer Gloub Pasha) stood by while Haifa was being ethically cleansed and occupied.
Click here, to read more about the battle for for Haifa in Arabic.

Acts of terror On December 30th ,1947, a Zionist terrorist planted a bomb in the Arab neighborhood where Palestinian Arab workers from nearby Palestine Oil Refinery used to live. As a result 6 Palestinians were killed, and 41 others were injured. Next morning, the Arab workers rioted in the Oil Refinery and attacked the Jewish workers to avenge the death of their Arab brothers, which resulted in the killing of 41 Jewish workers. In response, the Haganah and IZL forces retaliated by perpetrating the New Years Eve Massacre at Balad al-Shaykh, which resulted in the killing of close to 60 innocent men, women, and children. It should be noted that the people of Balad al-Shaykh had nothing to do with Oil Refinery riots, and the Haganah made the choice of picking an easy target to avenge the death of the Jewish workers at the Oil Refinery .

On February 29th ,1948, Zionist terrorists rolled downs a barrel of explosives from Haifa's Jewish neighborhood, Hadara Ha Carmel, into al-'Abasyah Arab neighborhood, which resulted in the destruction of most of the neighborhood. The bomb ended up terrorizing the nearby Arab neighborhoods into fleeing soon after that incident.

On March 22nd, 1948, Zionist terrorists disguised as British officers planted a car bomb in Iraq Street that killed and injured 36 people, mostly women and children, plus the destruction of several public buildings.

Ethnic cleansing Based on declassified Israeli documents, the Israeli historian Benny Morris concluded that the Jewish civilian population (especially Haifa's Jewish mayor Shabtai Levy) was at peace with their Palestinian neighbors, but the Haganah and the IZL leadership had a different agenda to ethnically cleansing the city from its Palestinian Arab population. Benny Morris wrote:
"In Haifa, the civilian authorities were saying one thing and the Haganah was doing something else altogether. Moreover, Haganah unites in the field acted inconsistently and in a manner often unintelligible to the Arab population" (Benny Morris, p. 90).

To expedite the ethnic cleansing process, the Haganah broadcasted terror messages, via loudspeakers, to sociologically terrorize the Arab inhabitants into fleeing. (Benny Morris, p. 76)

According to Ben-Gurion's biographer, Micheal Bar-Zohar, the dispatching of Golda Meir to Haifa soon after the city's occupation was nothing but a political and tactical ploy, Zohar wrote:,

"The appeals to the Arabs [of Haifa] to stay, Golda's mission, and other similar gestures were the result of political considerations, but they did not reflect [Ben-Gurion's] basic stand. In internal discussions, in instructions to his people, the 'old man' demonstrated a clear stand: it was better that the smallest possible number of [Palestinian] Arabs remain with in the [Jewish] state." (Simha Falpan, p. 84)

Out of the 61,000 Palestinian Arabs who used to call Haifa home, only 3,566 Palestinians were allowed to stay. The remaining population were in constant fear on their lives and properties, and many of them witnessed the looting of their homes and possessions by the Zionists.

Click here, to read more about the battle for for Haifa in Arabic.

Refugees' migration route The mass majority of Haifa's Palestinian population, numbering at least 35,000, were pushed into the sea. Similarly, Jaffa's population, numbering at least 50,000, suffered the same fate on May 13th,1948. Click here to view a map that illustrates refugees' migration routes.

Via boats, many Palestinian refugees landed in Sour (Tyre), Sayda, and Beirut Lebanon, and some boats managed to land in Acre City. It's very sad that some of the people who landed in Acre were ethnically cleansed again few weeks later.

Ironically, often Zionists accuse the Arabs of plotting to push the Jews into the sea!
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Alright you posted your completly biased source. I will post mine now. :-)

Violence by Arabs against the Jewish civilian population of Palestine was a periodic reality. During the Mandate period, whenever Arab dissatisfaction reached a peak, or when anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic Arab leaders needed to provoke the British authorities, rioting and Jewish casualties were created. Major rioting flared in Palestine during 1920-21, in 1929, and during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. This was not so different from the experience of Jews all over Europe and was part of the motivation for creating a Jewish state where Jews could control their own security.

The day after the UN partition resolution of November 29, 1947, violence against Jewish civilians began to escalate. The Arabs declared a protest strike and instigated riots that claimed the lives of 62 Jews and 32 Arabs. By the end of the second week, 93 Arabs, 84 Jews and 7 Englishmen had been killed and scores injured. From November 30, 1947 to February 1, 1948 427 Arabs, 381 Jews and 46 British were killed and 1,035 Arabs, 725 Jews and 135 British were wounded. In March alone, 271 Jews and 257 Arabs died in Arab attacks and Jewish counter­attacks. These were not military operations, but terrorism against civilian targets intended to achieve political aims for the Arabs who were dissatisfied with the United Nations partition plan.

In February 1948 there was a bombing on the 1st in Jerusalem against the Palestine Post building (later renamed the The Jerusalem Post) which killed six people and injured dozens. Then on February 22nd, three booby-trapped trucks positioned in Ben-Yehuda Street exploded, destroying four large buildings, killing 50 and injuring more than 100. On March 11, a car bomb exploded in the courtyard of the Jewish Agency building, killing 12 people, injuring 44, and causing extensive damage.

Arab acts of hostility prior to statehood reached their peak in March. Arabs controlled all the inter-urban routes. The road to Jerusalem was blocked, settlements in the Galilee and the Negev were also cut off and daily attacks were perpetrated on convoys. In the four months after the UN resolution, some 850 Jews were killed throughout the country, most of them in Jerusalem or on the road to the city.

On April 13, 1948, Arabs set mines in the road in the Sheik Jarrah area to block a convoy of 10 vehicles -- trucks, buses and ambulances -- carrying supplies, nurses, doctors, scientists, and patients to Hadassah Hospital on Mount Scopus. In the attack, 78 were killed and their bodies mutilated. Dozens are wounded. British soldiers delayed intervention in the attack for 6 hours while the killing continued. The hospital was cut off from Israel until it was recovered after the Six Day War in June 1967.

The largest Arab atrocity of the war was on May 13, 1948, the massacre of dozens of surrendering defenders, including some twenty women, at Kfar Etzion in the Etzion Bloc of settlements (Gush Etzion) just north of Hebron, in the territory allocated to the Arabs under the UN partition plan. The Etzion Bloc had already seen a massacre in January 1947 when a Haganah platoon of 35 soldiers sent to help them with medical supplies and ammunition was massacred by hundreds of Arab militants. Their stripped, mutilated bodies were found the next day by a British patrol.

The final battle for Gush Etzion took place between May 12-14, 1948. Massive, heavily armed enemy forces overran the Jewish positions. A handful of exhausted defenders, equipped only with light arms and very little ammunition could not withstand the attacking forces. On Thursday, May 13th, Kfar Etzion fell, its defenders killed, most of them slaughtered by Arab rioters after the collapse of the defense. Gush Etzion was destroyed in the aftermath -- everything of value was removed, then the buildings were reduced to rubble. Hundreds of thousands of trees in the orchards -- individually planted by the Jewish farmers -- were uprooted.
 
Here you go people... I have recorded the interview of Chavez...
http://www.lamaggad.net/chavez.htm

for those who doesn't understand Arabic... you will hear the word "hitler" two or three times... hehehe..

any way.. this is what he generally says

israel attacks against Lebanon are unjustified aggression same as hitler's way.
israel keep blaming hitler about what he have done against Jews, we blame hitler as well... but now they are doing the same acts of hitler against innocent Lebanese people.
they are killing women and children, destroying whole families at the same time... etc. etc. etc. (israeli war-crims never ends i geuss)

if some one can give better translation, please do bcz i have missed many things.
 
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A reminder:

No beef tolerated in posts please watch your actions insha'allah.
 
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Hitler is sunday school compared to the jews
yes i would say thats true...... and the most saddest thing is that they havent learned anything... from what he did
 
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