Israel = Hitler and even worse

[searchingsoul]

Okay, let's get a few things STRAIGHT:

Hitler exterminated 12 million people.
Israel killed a few thousand at max [in self defense].
Hitler was provoked by no one to do what he did.
Israel was provoked by the PLO and Hamas.
Hitler was a single mad man who ruled a nation with tyranny, not caring about anyone but himself.
Israel is a whole, mature nation with needs, wants, and humility.


Everyone uses the Nazi blame game as their alibi when they are being beaten in a game of international chess; the Palestinians clearly failed themselves, so they call the Israelis nazis. Who are these name-callers, the ADL??

This cubicle rat makes sense.

 

[kadafi]

You obviously do not understand Jewish Law.

If your mother is Jewish than you are 100% Jewish. If your father is Jewish and your mother is not than your 0% Jewish By Jewish Law.

About everyone of these soldiers is described as a 'half jew'

Hello ManchesterFolk, before you start splurring and accusing me of ignorance, it would have been best if you had read the review thoroughly.

Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s.

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What this means is that according to the German military system, anyone who had a non-Jewish father was still classified as a partial-Jew despite the fact that his mother was Jewish. Only those with both Jewish parents were described as fully Jews.


Regards

 

[Dahir]

This cubicle rat makes sense.

Well, the cubicle rat knows the difference between good and evil, nation and warmonger.

 

[searchingsoul]

Well, the cubicle rat knows the difference between good and evil, nation and warmonger.

Yes, you do.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Who knows the true history of israel? Anyone? Maybe someone would like to explain their reasons behind the war on palestine/syria and lebonen? Because i saw a documentary which may not have explained the truth, so lets hear it?

 

[Woodrow]

Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
You obviously do not understand Jewish Law.

If your mother is Jewish than you are 100% Jewish. If your father is Jewish and your mother is not than your 0% Jewish By Jewish Law.

About everyone of these soldiers is described as a 'half jew'

Hello ManchesterFolk, before you start splurring and accusing me of ignorance, it would have been best if you had read the review thoroughly.

Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s.

​

What this means is that according to the German military system, anyone who had a non-Jewish father was still classified as a partial-Jew despite the fact that his mother was Jewish. Only those with both Jewish parents were described as fully Jews.


Regards

Let me see if I understand this correctly. According to the source quoted by Kadafi, the German Army considered many of it's military as half Jewish. But, looking at Manchesterfolks explanation of Jewish law, it would mean that many of them would be 100% Jewish under Jewish Law. Interesting thought at the least.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s.

It is irrelevant. By Jewish law they were not considered Jews. Because they were not Jews. By Jewish law there is no such thing as a 'partial jew'..

Therefore these soldiers were not Jewish no matter what the "German Military Source" says.

What this means is that according to the German military system, anyone who had a non-Jewish father was still classified as a partial-Jew despite the fact that his mother was Jewish. Only those with both Jewish parents were described as fully Jews.

Your lack of understanding shows.

There is no such thing as a 'partial jew' no matter how many times you try and explain it with your Nazi/German sources it is irrelevent.

The soldiers were not Jewish. By Jewish law they were gentiles, goys, (NON JEWS)

There is no way to get around it.

Every time that article tries to explain about the 'half jews' i sigh, because they obviously have no understanding of jewish law.

They only took the time to look into nazi records. Maybe they should have educated themselves on Jewish law Before they completly embarassed themseleves by not understanding a very simple concept.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. According to the source quoted by Kadafi, the German Army considered many of it's military as half Jewish. But, looking at Manchesterfolks explanation of Jewish law, it would mean that many of them would be 100% Jewish under Jewish Law. Interesting thought at the least.

Incorrect.

All the soldiers who were considered 'half jews' were really not Jews at all.

If you were 100% jewish in Europe, you had to where a star of david on your shirt, and had citations on your documents and information including identification.

Therefore all of the soldiers who are being described as half Jews were not Jews at all. None of the soldiers aloud in the German Army were even a 1% Jewish according to jewish law.

 

[Woodrow]

Since it seems that most of those described as being half-Jewish under German law had Jewish mothers, does that mean they were 100% Jews?

 

[kadafi]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. According to the source quoted by Kadafi, the German Army considered many of it's military as half Jewish. But, looking at Manchesterfolks explanation of Jewish law, it would mean that many of them would be 100% Jewish under Jewish Law. Interesting thought at the least.

Hehe, spot on!

It is irrelevant. By Jewish law they were not considered Jews. Because they were not Jews. By Jewish law there is no such thing as a 'partial jew'..

Therefore these soldiers were not Jewish no matter what the "German Military Source" says.



Your lack of understanding shows.

There is no such thing as a 'partial jew' no matter how many times you try and explain it with your Nazi/German sources it is irrelevent.

The soldiers were not Jewish. By Jewish law they were gentiles, goys, (NON JEWS)

There is no way to get around it.

Every time that article tries to explain about the 'half jews' i sigh, because they obviously have no understanding of jewish law.

They only took the time to look into nazi records. Maybe they should have educated themselves on Jewish law Before they completly embarassed themseleves by not understanding a very simple concept.

Hello ManchesterFolks

Sadly, you have not [fully] grasped what I have stated in my last post so allow me to take a different and yet simpler approach.

The German System did not operate under the Jewish Law, correct? So thus, their definition of Jewish varies from the Orthodox Jewish System.

According to their system, a Jewish person is one having both Jewish parents while a partial Jew is one having non-Jewish father which according to the Jewish definition is still fully Jewish.

In other words, Nazi's partial Jew definition = Full Jew definition according to the Jewish Law.

Regards

 

[ManchesterFolk]

A Jew who was 100% Jewish was not aloud in the German Army because he was 'inferior' only in special cases did the Nazi's use the talent of a Jew to develop something and they always had a gun to the Jews head.

Therefore there were no Jews who are considered Jews by Jewish Law that were in the German Army by choice.

 

[Woodrow]

A Jew who was 100% Jewish was not aloud in the German Army because he was 'inferior' only in special cases did the Nazi's use the talent of a Jew to develop something and they always had a gun to the Jews head.

Therefore there were no Jews who are considered Jews by Jewish Law that were in the German Army by choice.

Please make up your mind. I thought you just said if a person had a Jewish mother he was 100% Jewish under Jewish law. True they were not considered fully Jewish under German Law, but they were under Jewish law.

 

[kadafi]

Ay ay

It seems ManchesterFolk has decided to embark on the denial path.

His conflicting and contradictory statements prove that is not quite ready for a productive discussion but only wishes to vehemently defend his refuted position that no Jews served under the Nazi Regime. Any observer would affirm the explicit denial of ManchesterFolk.

Let us see what the credible reviewers have said about this reports:

"Through videotaped interviews, painstaking attention to personnel files, and banal documents not normally consulted by historians, and spurred by a keen sense of personal mission, Rigg has turned up an unexplored and confounding chapter in the history of the Holocaust. The extent of his findings has surprised scholars."--Warren Hoge, New York Times

"The revelation that Germans of Jewish blood, knowing the Nazi regime for what it was, served Hitler as uniformed members of his armed forces must come as a profound shock. It will surprise even professional historians of the Nazi years." --John Keegan, author of The Face of Battle and The Second World War

"Startling and unexpected, Rigg's study conclusively demonstrates the degree of flexibility in German policy toward the Mischlinge, the extent of Hitler's involvement, and, most importantly, that not all who served in the armed forces were anti-Semitic, even as their service aided the killing process."--Michael Berenbaum, author of The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust

"Rigg's extensive knowledge and the preliminary conclusions drawn from his research impressed me greatly. I firmly believe that his in-depth treatment of the subject of German soldiers of Jewish descent in the Wehrmacht will lead to new perspectives on this portion of 20th century German military history."--Helmut Schmidt, Former Chancellor of Germany


"An impressively researched work with important implications for hotly debated questions. Rigg tells some exquisitely poignant stories of individual human experiences that complicate our picture of state and society in the Third Reich."--Nathan A. Stoltzfus, Florida State University, author of Resistance of the Heart: Intermarriage and the Rosenstrasse Protest in Nazi Germany

"An impressive work filled with interesting stories. . . . By helping us better understand Nazi racial policy at the margins--i.e., its impact on certain members of the German military--Rigg's study clarifies the central problems of Nazi Jewish policies overall."--Norman Naimark, Stanford University, author of Fires of Hatred: Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe

"An illuminating and provocative study that merits a wide readership and is sure to be much discussed."--Dennis E. Showalter, Colorado College, author of Tannenberg: Clash of Empires
"An outstanding job of research and analysis. Rigg's book will add a great deal to our understanding of the German military, of the place of Jews and people of Jewish descent in the Nazi state, and of the Holocaust. It forces us to deal with the full, complex range of possible actions and reactions by individuals caught up in the Nazi system."--Geoffrey P. Megargee, author of Inside Hitler's High Command

"With the skill of a master detective, Bryan Rigg reveals the surprising and largely unknown story of Germans of Jewish origins in the Nazi military. His work contributes to our understanding of the complexity of faith and identity in the Third Reich."--Paula E. Hyman, Yale University, author of Gender and Assimilation in Modern Jewish History and The Jews of Modern France

"A major piece of scholarship which traces the peculiar twists and turns of Nazi racial policy toward men in the Wehrmacht, often in the highest ranks, who had partly Jewish backgrounds. Rigg has uncovered personal stories and private archives which literally nobody knew existed. His book will be an important contribution to German history."--Jonathan Steinberg, University of Pennsylvania, author of All or Nothing: The Axis and the Holocaust 1941-1943

"An original, groundbreaking, and significant contribution to the history of the Wehrmacht and Nazi Germany."--James S. Corum, School of Advanced Air Power Studies, author of The Roots of Blitzkrieg and The Luftwaffe

"Rigg's work has discovered new academic territory."--Manfred Messerschmidt, Freiburg University, author of Die Wehrmacht im NS-Staat (The Wehrmacht in the Nazi State)

"Rigg's bracing and unintimidated study lays bare the contradiction, confusion and expedience that governed Mischlinge policy and the maiming cost to those whose lives were burdened by anxiety, guilt and collusion. In the end we must be grateful for his book, a penetrating light cast on some of the murkier corners of the human psyche."--Michael Skakun, Aufbau

"Rigg has opened brand new territory for historians and students of war, offering new insight into the Nazi mentality on race."--World War II Magazine

"Rigg has done a very significant piece of historical research and writing."--Milt Rosenberg, WGN Radio, Chicago


"Rigg has written a truly important history. It is original, it has outstanding scholarship, and there is plenty of it!"--James F. Tent, author of In the Shadow of the Holocaust: Nazi Persecution of Jewish-Christian Germans

"A brilliant and extremely disturbing work of masterful historical research. A must read for everyone. It raises more moral dilemmas than one can answer."--Steve Pieczenik, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and co-creator of the best selling novels and TV series OP-Center and Net Force
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Regards

 

[Geronimo]

Geronimo, your historical inaccuracies are grave and yet potray them as real events.

The Jewish Agency that collobrated with the Nazi regime intended to save the Jewish people and that is correct, however, Kasztner who at that time was the leader of the ZR has helped the SS transfer Jewish people to Auswitch for the sake of saving a few lives. In addition to that, the JA has testified in favour several Nazi War criminals in exchange for bribery.

One should attempt to read Lenni Brenner's book Post-Ugandan Zionism On Trial (2 Volumes)

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/art.php?previous=true&aid=1246

Do you know about Lenni Brenner? Lenni Brenner is an American Marxist historian. Do you know how Marxist feel about Jews? Read the Marxist Manifesto. This man renounce his own Judism

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Please make up your mind. I thought you just said if a person had a Jewish mother he was 100% Jewish under Jewish law. True they were not considered fully Jewish under German Law, but they were under Jewish law.

If the mother is Jewish than they are considered Jewish under German Law.

Can you show me the law of the German Army saying that 'partial jews' as they called them were aloud?

Please give me the quote and the link.

I would like to see where it says that any of these Jews who had mothers that were Jewish were aloud in the German Army.


Please give me a link to an official or credible source showing that Jews considered jewish by Jewish law were aloud in the Army.

I do not believe they were aloud to be in the army.

 

[nennar]

salaam!

geronimo!!!! you seem to know so much about the history off the jews , but not so much about you own history....... hmmmm

Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives."

From the 1927 Grand Council of American Indians

"The white people, who are trying to make us over into their image, they want us to be what they call "assimilated," bringing the Indians into the mainstream and destroying our own way of life and our own cultural patterns. They believe we should be contented like those whose concept of happiness is materialistic and greedy, which is very different from our way.
We want freedom from the white man rather than to be intergrated. We don't want any part of the establishment, we want to be free to raise our children in our religion, in our ways, to be able to hunt and fish and live in peace. We don't want power, we don't want to be congressmen, or bankers....we want to be ourselves. We want to have our heritage, because we are the owners of this land and because we belong here.

The white man says, there is freedom and justice for all. We have had "freedom and justice," and that is why we have been almost exterminated. We shall not forget this."

Crazy Horse - Sioux

"I was hostile to the white man...We preferred hunting to a life of idleness on our reservations. At times we did not get enough to eat and we were not allowed to hunt. All we wanted was peace and to be let alone. Soldiers came...in the winter..and destroyed our villages. Then Long Hair (Custer) came...They said we massacred him, but he would have done the same to us. Our first impulse was to escape...but we were so hemmed in we had to fight. After that I lived in peace, but the government would not let me alone. I was not allowed to remain quiet. I was tired of fighting...They tried to confine me..and a soldier ran his bayonet into me. I have spoken.

Spotted Tail

"This war did not spring up on our land, this war was brought upon us by the children of the Great Father who came to take our land without a price, and who, in our land, do a great many evil things... This war has come from robbery - from the stealing of our land."

John Wooden Legs, Cheyenne

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives."

so in the end after all your relativs died.... you sold the land ..... ???

 

[kadafi]

Do you know about Lenni Brenner? Lenni Brenner is an American Marxist historian. Do you know how Marxist feel about Jews? Read the Marxist Manifesto. This man renounce his own Judism

Geronimo, have you failed to identify that Lenni Brenner is a full Jew according to the Jewish Law. In addition, Lenni Brenner is known to be a strong advocate against Zionism and not the Jews, further, Marxism is incompatible with Zionism and not Judaism as you might have asserted.

Regards

 

[Woodrow]

If the mother is Jewish than they are considered Jewish under German Law.

Can you show me the law of the German Army saying that 'partial jews' as they called them were aloud?

Please give me the quote and the link.

I would like to see where it says that any of these Jews who had mothers that were Jewish were aloud in the German Army.


Please give me a link to an official or credible source showing that Jews considered jewish by Jewish law were aloud in the Army.

I do not believe they were aloud to be in the army.

I will find the sources. I had many German Jewish Friends that survived the Holocaust and heard first hand from them their stories of what they considered to be Jews under Jewish law serving in the German Army. Since those folks are now long dead I am trying to find up to date documentation. In the mean time here is an interesting note about Jewish soldiers serving as Nazi Allies.

Just a footnote in the historybooks. But could be interesting for people like IDFM203 and others that seems to think that all europeans are anti-semitics no matter what. Everything is not just black and white. Note that this just is about the finnish soldiers that were jews, not the civilian jews nor the Soviet POW´s that happened to be jews.

1.) The Winter War

In 1939 there was some 1700 Jews in Finland. Approximately 260 Finnish Jews participated in the Winter War, 200 of whom served at the front. There were also several Jewish volunteers coming from Europe, some of them desperately seeking a way to escape Nazi influence. Jewishness was not emphasised in the army; anti-Semitism was not an issue, and neither was the war particularly problematic for the Jews ideologically, for Finland was merely seen as defending itself against an attack by the Soviet Union. The war united the Jews with Finland more strongly than anything before, and it has been said that with their effort, they proved they truly were Finns

2.) The Continuation War

In the summer of 1941, Finland joined the war Germany had started against the Soviet Union. In this Continuation War the loyalty of Finnish Jews was put to test. Nevertheless, the Jews fought like everyone else. The Jewish magazine Makkabi declared in December 1942 that they were fighting “for the freedom and independence of Finland”. Relationships with the Germans were described as correct, even friendly. Most Jews spoke German, which may have contributed to friendships being formed. Jewishness of these soldiers was not hidden from the Germans, and there even was a field synagogue. Furloughs were given for Sabbaths, and some came from considerable distances to attend. The Germans were aware of the synagogue but did not interfere. Some of the Jewish soldiers even liked to proclaim their religion to provoke the Germans, whose reactions were mainly surprised but not particularly negative. When asked about their Jewish soldiers, Finnish superiors usually defended them, saying they were no different from other Finns. Jewish medical officers treated German patients and saved their lives, even risking their own. Several Jews were awarded German decorations, and no instance is known of German soldiers refusing to co-operate with Finnish Jewish officers. During the two wars, 23 Finnish Jews were killed in action. As a tribute to their memory, their names are published annually in the Jewish Calendar of the Bicur Cholim Society in Helsinki.

More about the finnish jewish soldiers during world war 2:

http://www.uta.fi/~tuulikki.vuonokari/fin-1viimeisin.rtf
http://www.finemb.org.il/Historia.htm
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/vjw/Finland.html

 

[Geronimo]

salaam!

geronimo!!!! you seem to know so much about the history off the jews , but not so much about you own history....... hmmmm










so in the end after all your relativs died.... you sold the land ..... ???

Actually my relatives are alive. I just talked to my granny yesterday. As for not knowing about my own people, have you ever heard of plain Indians? Did you know those tribes have a different philosophy as the ones in the midwest? Have you ever had buyers remorse? At the time they thought they were making a good deal. How hard is that to understand?

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Geronimo, have you failed to identify that Lenni Brenner is a full Jew according to the Jewish Law. In addition, Lenni Brenner is known to be a strong advocate against Zionism and not the Jews, further, Marxism is incompatible with Zionism and not Judaism as you might have asserted.

Regards

Now Now Kadafi... You think you know everything about Jewish Law all of a sudden?

Brenner was born into an Orthodox Jewish family. He became an atheist at age 12 and a Marxist at age 15.

Study this sentence very carefuly...

Once you become an Atheist. Or in other words declare that there is no such thing as God, you have destroyed your 'Jewishness' for say. To denounce the reality of God existing is in fact one of if not the worst sins of Judaism, and I believe you must convert back if you declare you do not believe in God, and then wish to come back to Judaism.

So in a sense if what I have learned in my classes is correct, by Jewish standards if he really was an Atheist at one point of his life, he is therrfore no Jewish unless he converted back which is highly unlikly since he became a Marxist.

 

[scentsofjannah]

Do you know about Lenni Brenner? Lenni Brenner is an American Marxist historian. Do you know how Marxist feel about Jews? Read the Marxist Manifesto. This man renounce his own Judism

he renounced Judaism..? so what that makes him a self-hating jews accoridng to you?..wasnt Karl Marx also an ex-jew..Marxists are anti religion..they think its the 'opium of the masses'