Israel = Hitler and even worse

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How misleading that people have to resort to historical revisionism. No wonder why some Israeli historians are finally seeing this dishonesty.

Zionists cooperated with the Nazis way before Amin al-Husseini and this was during '33 and '38, this is evident in the Haavara agreement. The main reason why al-Husseini decided to cooperate with the Nazis was to severely damage the ties between the Nazi-Zionists connection since their connection provided support for the Jewish immigrations migrating to Palestine. Hence, his intervention caused damage which resulted the Nazis breaking ties with the Zionists in '42. If you're going to accuse and blame al-Husseini for having ties with the Nazis then the Zionists were guiltier by large. al-Husseini's intention was not to openly declare the "extermination of the Jews", rather his main purpose was to cut the sources of the Zionists.
 
How misleading that people have to resort to historical revisionism. No wonder why some Israeli historians are finally seeing this dishonesty.

Zionists cooperated with the Nazis way before Amin al-Husseini and this was during '33 and '38, this is evident in the Haavara agreement. The main reason why al-Husseini decided to cooperate with the Nazis was to severely damage the ties between the Nazi-Zionists connection since their connection provided support for the Jewish immigrations migrating to Palestine. Hence, his intervention caused damage which resulted the Nazis breaking ties with the Zionists in '42. If you're going to accuse and blame al-Husseini for having ties with the Nazis then the Zionists were guiltier by large. al-Husseini's intention was not to openly declare the "extermination of the Jews", rather his main purpose was to cut the sources of the Zionists.
The Haavara agreement was a ploy by the Nazis to get all the Jews together so they could slaughter them all in one place. If it was an agreement between the Zionists and the Nazis to take over Palestine why they make them leave all their things including money behind?
 
Recent Nazi documents uncovered in the German Minstry of Foreign Affairs and the Military Archive Service in Freiburg [6] by two researchers, Klaus Michael Mallmann from Stuttgart University and Martin Cüppers from the University of Ludwigsburg, indicated that in the event of the British being defeated in Egypt by Field Marshal Erwin Rommel's Afrika Korps the Nazis had planned to deploy a special unit called Einsatzkommando Ägypten to exterminate Palestinian Jews and that they wanted Arab support to prevent the emergence of a Jewish state. In their book the researchers concluded that, "the most important collaborator with the Nazis and an absolute Arab anti-Semite was Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem".[[7] According to the German researchers Husayni was a prime example of how Arabs and Nazis became friends out of a hatred of Jews. Al-Husseini had met several times with Adolf Eichmann[8], Adolf Hitler's chief architect of the Holocaust
Hitlers hatred for the Jews went all the way back to WWI. Read Mien Kempf sometime. There was no way Germany and the zionist were on good terms.
 
The Haavara agreement was a ploy by the Nazis to get all the Jews together so they could slaughter them all in one place. If it was an agreement between the Zionists and the Nazis to take over Palestine why they make them leave all their things including money behind?

I am sorry, "an attempt to slaughter them all in one place"?

If that was the case, then 50,000 Jews would have not successfully emigrated to Palestine. Further, it is incorrect to assume that they left everything behind. They let them retain some of their property.

Further info and the text of the agreement, see:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/heritage/episode8/documents/documents_11.html

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Haavara (Transfer) was a company established in 1935 as the the result of an agreement between the Jewish Agency (the official Jewish executive in Palestine) and the Nazi regime. The agreement was designed to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine. Though the Nazis had ordered Jewish emigrants to surrender most of their property before leaving Germany, the Ha'avara agreement let them retain some of their assets by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods. Approximately 50,000 Jews emigrated to Palestine under this arrangement.[/FONT]
 
The Haarava agreement was a ploy to get all the Jews in the same place so they wouldn't have to spread the army out to kill them all....

Hundreds of Nazi's confirmed this. The fact that you believe in this ploy is pretty sad. But I guess you believe that the Nazi's killed the Jews because they 'were satan' also... and that 'santa comes every year dec 25.'

The Zionists tried to save Jews by getting them to israel instead of the gas chamber by surrendering all of there possessions for there lives.

This is real hard fact history:





Upon al-Husayni's arrival in Europe, he met the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop on November 20, 1941 and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on November 28, 1941 in Berlin. He asked Hitler for a public declaration that "recognized and sympathized with the Arab struggles for independence and liberation, and that it would support the elimination of a national Jewish homeland". Earlier, al-Hussayni submitted to the German government a draft of such a declaration, containing a clause:

Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.

Hitler refused to make such a public announcement, but "made the following declaration, requesting the Mufti to lock it deep in his heart:

He (the Führer) would carry on the fight until the last traces of the Jewish-Communist European hegemony had been obliterated.
In the course of this fight, the German army would - at a time that could not yet be specified, but in any case in the clearly foreseeable future - gain the southern exit of Caucasus.
As soon as this breakthrough was made, the Führer would offer the Arab world his personal assurance that the hour of liberation had struck. Thereafter, Germany's only remaining objective in the region would be limited to the Vernichtung des...Judentums ['destruction of the Jewish element', sometimes taken to be a euphemism for 'annihilation of the Jews'] living under British protection in Arab lands.." [3]
The Mufti established close contacts with Bosnian and Albanian Muslim leaders and spent the remainder of the war conducting the following activities:

  • Radio propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany
  • Espionage and the fifth column activities in Muslim regions of Europe and the Middle East
  • Assisting with the formation of Muslim Waffen SS units in the Balkans
  • The formation of schools and training centers for Muslim imams and mullahs who would accompany the Muslim SS and Wehrmacht units.


The Mufti's knowledge about the holocaust while living in Nazi Germany has been debated with the Mufti himself denying any such knowledge after the war. Testimony presented at the Nuremberg trials, however, accused the Mufti of not only having knowledge about the holocaust but of also actively encouraging the initiation of extermination programs against European Jews. Adolf Eichmann`s deputy Dieter Wisliceny testified during his war crimes trial in 1946 that ... "The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz."

When the Red Cross offered to mediate with Adolf Eichmann in a trade prisoner-of-war exchange involving the freeing of German citizens in exchange for 5,000 Jewish children being sent from Poland to the Theresienstadt concentration camp, Husseini directly intervened with Himmler and the exchange was cancelled, although there is no evidence that his intervention prevented their rescue.[

Who are the Nazi's again?


Beginning in 1943, al-Husayni was involved in the organization and recruitment of Bosnian Muslims into several divisions of the Waffen SS and other units. The largest was the 13th "Handschar" division of 21,065 men (sometimes spelled Hanjar: the word Scimitar in Turkish, Arabic Khanjar خنجر).

One of the SS's responsibilities was to run the Nazi death camps.

Sources of all the information.

The Mufti of Jerusalem by Philip Mattar (Columbia University Press revised edition, 1988, ISBN 0231064632)
The Mufti of Jerusalem and Palestine Arab Politics, 1930-1937 (Outstanding These from the London School of Economics and Political Science) by Yehuda Taggar (Garland Pub, 1987, ISBN 0824019334)
Palestinian Leader, Hajj Amin Al-Husoyni, Mufti of Jerusalem (Kingston Press Series. Leaders, Politics, and Social Change in the Islamic World, No 5) by Taysir Jbara (Kingston Press, 1985, ISBN 0940670216)
The Mufti of Jerusalem: Amin el-Husseini, and his diplomatic activity during World War II, October 1941-July 1943 by Daniel Carpi Studies in Zionism, Vol VII (1983), pp101-131.
"Al-Husayni and Iraq's quest for independence, 1939-1941" by P. Mattar in Arab Studies Quarterly 6,4 (1984), 267-281.
"The Formation of Palestinian Identity: The Critical Years, 1917-1923" by R. Khalidi in Rethinking Nationalism in the Arab Middle East edited by James Jankowski and Israel Gershoni (Columbia University Press, 1997, ISBN 0231106955)
Mufti of Jerusalem: The Story of Haj Amin el Husseini by Moshe Pearlman (V Gollancz, 1947)
Days of our Years by Pierre van Paassen (Hillman-Curl, Inc., 1939, LC 39027058) pp. 363-373
Biographical Dictionary of the Extreme Right Since 1890 by Philip Rees (Macmillan Library Reference, 1991, ISBN 0130893013)
The Mufti and the Fuehrer: The rise and fall of Haj Amin el-Husseini by Joseph B Schechtman (T. Yoseloff, 1965)
The Grand Mufti: Haj Amin Al-Hussaini, Founder of the Palestinian National Movement by Zvi Elpeleg, translated by David Harvey and edited by Shmuel Himelstein (Frank Cass Publishers, 1993, ISBN 0714634328)
Lewis, Bernard (1984). The Jews of Islam. Princeton: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0691008078.
The Israel-Arab Reader: A Documentary History of the Middle East Conflict edited by Walter Laqueur and Barry M. Rubin (Penguin Books 6th Rev edition, 2001, ISBN 0140297138)
Extreme Islam: Anti-American Propaganda of Muslim Fundamentalism edited by Adam Parfrey (Last Gasp, 2002, ISBN 0922915784)
Article on Amin al-Husayni, including a picture with Hitler
Levenberg, Haim (1993). Military Preparations of the Arab Community in Palestine: 1945-1948. London: Routledge. ISBN 0714634395
Robinson, Glenn E. (1997). Building a Palestinian State: The Incomplete Revolution. Indiana University Press. ISBN 0253210828
Sayigh, Yezid (2000). Armed Struggle and the Search for State: The Palestinian National Movement, 1949-1993. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0198296436
Shlaim, Avi (2001). Israel and the Arab Coalition. In Eugene Rogan and Avi Shlaim (eds.). The War for Palestine (pp. 79-103). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521794765
Zertal, Idith (2005). Israel's Holocaust and the Politics of Nationhood. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521850967
"Encyclopedia of the Holocaust" 1990 Macmillan Publishing Company New York, NY 10022
"Himmler's Bosnian Division; The Waffen-SS Handschar Division 1943-1945" by George Lepre. Algen: Shiffer, 1997. ISBN 0764301349
Deutsche - Juden - Völkermord. Der Holocaust als Geschichte und Gegenwart (Germans, Jews, Genocide — The Holocaust as History and Present). Klaus Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers. Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft Darmstadt, 2006.
 
Hitlers hatred for the Jews went all the way back to WWI. Read Mien Kempf sometime. There was no way Germany and the zionist were on good terms.

It is widely known that the Zionists had solid connection with the Axis Evil extending to Japan. Remember that if al-Husseini did not severe these ties, the Zionists would have been responsible for many grave crimes.

In addition, it is wrong to assume that Jews and Nazis were never on good terms since many countless Jewish soldiers served under the Nazi Regime.
 
It is widely known that the Zionists had solid connection with the Axis Evil extending to Japan. Remember that if al-Husseini did not severe these ties, the Zionists would have been responsible for many grave crimes.

Zionists only tried to save Jews. They made a deal with Germany to save lives and give up there possessions.

The Germans ended up tricking them and killing the Jews and taking there possesions anyway.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited Muslims to the SS which ran the Death Camps which are responsible for killing 6 Million Jews.


Beginning in 1943, al-Husayni was involved in the organization and recruitment of Bosnian Muslims into several divisions of the Waffen SS and other units. The largest was the 13th "Handschar" division of 21,065 men (sometimes spelled Hanjar: the word Scimitar in Turkish, Arabic Khanjar خنجر).

The SS was directly responsible in the mass murder of 6 million Jews.
 
[countless Jewish soldiers served under the Nazi Regime.
/I]

Granted they probably would have been shot if they refused service...
 
The Haarava agreement was a ploy to get all the Jews in the same place so they wouldn't have to spread the army out to kill them all.... [/quote


ManchesterFolk, have you ever come across the Argumentum Ad Nauseam fallacy? That means that repeating the same old revionist garbage would not make it true.

I yet have to see independant thinking instead of copy-paste articles from pro-Israeli sources or authors.
 
I am sorry, "an attempt to slaughter them all in one place"?

If that was the case, then 50,000 Jews would have not successfully emigrated to Palestine. Further, it is incorrect to assume that they left everything behind. They let them retain some of their property.

Further info and the text of the agreement, see:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/heritage/episode8/documents/documents_11.html

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Haavara (Transfer) was a company established in 1935 as the the result of an agreement between the Jewish Agency (the official Jewish executive in Palestine) and the Nazi regime. The agreement was designed to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine. Though the Nazis had ordered Jewish emigrants to surrender most of their property before leaving Germany, the Ha'avara agreement let them retain some of their assets by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods. Approximately 50,000 Jews emigrated to Palestine under this arrangement.[/FONT]
Do you know what was going on in Germany in 1935? If I thought it was gonna save my people I would have set up the agency also. In the Nurenberg trials it was proven that they had planned on shipping them all to Palestine to execute them there. After Husayni made a big stink about it they abandoned that plan and changed the location to Britian once they had over ran it. After the battle of Britian the Germans realized this wasn't going to happen so they had a meeting in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942 which is where the ovens and the gas chambers come in. See I'm not one of those people you cann just throw stuff out there and see if it sticks. I actually study history as a hobby.
 
Pro-Israeli sources and authors?

Check the sources I provided again.

Hell go look it up online.

13th "Handschar" division خنجر

(Remember that the 20,000 were in that one division. There were more than just 1 division.)

Over 20,000 Muslims recruited by him to join the SS responsible for orchestrating mass murder killing 6 million Jews. And 6 million non-jews like homosexuals, gypsies, blacks... ect.
 
[countless Jewish soldiers served under the Nazi Regime.
/I]

Granted they probably would have been shot if they refused service...


This is an assumption and easily debunked by the mere fact that these soldiers served the regime willingly and out of loyalty.

Regards
 
Untrue. Please give me the resolutions with a link to the UN site proving Israel has not implemented or begun to implement law after a UN resolution which can be considered international law.
he wasn't takling about UN, he's talking about zionists attitude...
Lebonon on the other hand think they are above the law by not implementing resolution 1559 which calls for the immediate disarment of Hezbollah's armed wing. Lebonon is in violation of international law with each bullet Hezbollah fires in there territory.
You have to be fair in your judgment lavikor201.. you can't keep looking at israel as if they are angels and every one else is crap... this is what the documentary means when they say zionist israelli's think they're above the law.
speaking about UN and resolutions...
what about Resolution # 425 in 1978 that Calls on Israel to halt IMMEDIATELY its military operations against Lebanese territorial integrity and WITHDRAW forthwith its forces from all Lebanese territory.

it seems you have missed my post wbout this... read it please and respond to it...
http://www.islamicboard.com/432053-post24.html

Come back when you understand Jewish law, and not an English interpretation of a Jewish song. PM me and I will give you a little Jewish info, and no the so called 'facts' you think you learn about Jews in your mosque or any Jew hating website.
he's talking about a documentary that shows that... please keep religion and mosques out of it... we have suffered allot from the zionists state that's why every body says that in their documentaries, websites, e-mails and many other sources...
ask your government to stop that attitude and then we will stop saying that.

you are more than welcome to go one day to a muslim mosque so you can hear your self what we say over there about this conflict.

about Jewish laws, YES Jewish law states that Jews are the chosen people for God, and they are the sons of God.
 
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It is widely known that the Zionists had solid connection with the Axis Evil extending to Japan. Remember that if al-Husseini did not severe these ties, the Zionists would have been responsible for many grave crimes.

In addition, it is wrong to assume that Jews and Nazis were never on good terms since many countless Jewish soldiers served under the Nazi Regime.
Where's your proof? The Nazis were swept into power by blaming the old leaders and the Jews for losing WWI. Like I said read Mein Kempf there's a lot of quotes in there from The Protocols of the elders of Zion. You gotta be a raging anti-semite to believe that crap.
 
[countless Jewish soldiers served under the Nazi Regime.
/I]

Granted they probably would have been shot if they refused service...

Don't believe that bs. They never served because they were considered inferior. Hell they didn't even want Arabs and didn't let the Arab divisions ran by Husayni join them til things started to get dire for them.
 
about Jewish laws, YES Jewish law states that Jews are the chosen people for God, and they are the sons of God.

Wrong. Go read a book. They never claim they are the sons of God or anything like that. Complete and total propaganda.

In Judaism, the belief is that they were chosen by God to have the honor of following his 613 Laws from the Torah.

It does not mean they believe they are higher. It just believes that they have been chosen by God to follow the Torah and its laws.

Nowhere does it say they are 'sons of god' as you say.

What you said Lammagad is complete and total BS and are unmistakable lies with no source except the insane voices that talk to you in your head.


This is an assumption and easily debunked by the mere fact that these soldiers served the regime willingly and out of loyalty.

That is completly insane.

The Jews were forced to burn and bury the ashes of there own dead or they would be killed. They never served out loyalty.

Your insane logic, and lack of facts or any reasonable argument is very aparent.

You sound like a History revisionist/ Neo Nazi/ KKK member, because they say the exact same things. They also run around yelling 'white power'
 
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Do you know what was going on in Germany in 1935? If I thought it was gonna save my people I would have set up the agency also. In the Nurenberg trials it was proven that they had planned on shipping them all to Palestine to execute them there. After Husayni made a big stink about it they abandoned that plan and changed the location to Britian once they had over ran it. After the battle of Britian the Germans realized this wasn't going to happen so they had a meeting in Berlin, in the Wannsee Villa on January 20, 1942 which is where the ovens and the gas chambers come in. See I'm not one of those people you cann just throw stuff out there and see if it sticks. I actually study history as a hobby.
Geronimo, your historical inaccuracies are grave and yet potray them as real events.

The Jewish Agency that collobrated with the Nazi regime intended to save the Jewish people and that is correct, however, Kasztner who at that time was the leader of the ZR has helped the SS transfer Jewish people to Auswitch for the sake of saving a few lives. In addition to that, the JA has testified in favour several Nazi War criminals in exchange for bribery.

One should attempt to read Lenni Brenner's book Post-Ugandan Zionism On Trial (2 Volumes)

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/art.php?previous=true&aid=1246
 
Where's your proof? The Nazis were swept into power by blaming the old leaders and the Jews for losing WWI. Like I said read Mein Kempf there's a lot of quotes in there from The Protocols of the elders of Zion. You gotta be a raging anti-semite to believe that crap.

Geronimo, refrain from insulting me as this undermines your credibility.

It has been reported that approx. 150,000 Jewish soldiers served the Nazi Regime. Moreover, this has nothing do with the 'Protocols of Zion', rather I am stating the mere fact that countless Jewish soldiers served the Nazis.

Here is a review hosted on the Kansas University website:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html
 
You obviously do not understand Jewish Law.

If your mother is Jewish than you are 100% Jewish. If your father is Jewish and your mother is not than your 0% Jewish By Jewish Law.

About everyone of these soldiers is described as a 'half jew'

You cannot be a half Jew. They were all NOT JEWS because if there mother was Jewish they were 100% jewish and they would not have been aloud access to the Armyt because they would have a citation on all there papers.

Your ignorance towards Jewish law, and the fact that you do not have much knowledge is very suprising. I though you had more of a grasp on cultures outside of islam. I guess you do not.
 
Okay, let's get a few things STRAIGHT:

Hitler exterminated 12 million people.
Israel killed a few thousand at max [in self defense].
Hitler was provoked by no one to do what he did.
Israel was provoked by the PLO and Hamas.
Hitler was a single mad man who ruled a nation with tyranny, not caring about anyone but himself.
Israel is a whole, mature nation with needs, wants, and humility.


Everyone uses the Nazi blame game as their alibi when they are being beaten in a game of international chess; the Palestinians clearly failed themselves, so they call the Israelis nazis. Who are these name-callers, the ADL??
 
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