Miracles and Facts about the Quran

[Muhammad]

Re: Atheism

Greetings,

none of the Qur'an's "scientific knowledge" in these vague passages was known until after the relevant scientific discoveries. Before the scientific discoveries, the "scientific" phrases in the Qur'an would have been interpreted differently by commentators.

That is quite a broad statement to make. Firstly, not all of the passages are as "vague" as you make out, for the verses on embryology are quite clearly referring to embryology and discuss the subject in vivid detail. So to claim, for instance, that nobody ever perceived the notion that embryology occurs in stages sounds rather far-fetched, especially since the stages mentioned in the Qur'an describe distinct shapes or forms. We have a thread about this issue here, discussing the fact that such knowledge was realised by Muslims in the 14th century, which has only been brought to light in the twentieth century.

Secondly, you are right that commentators interpret some verses differently when a verse has more than one valid meaning. So how does it discredit the value of the Qur'an if advancements in science simply aid our understanding of a meaning that was already present in a verse? In the context of embryology, recent science confirms and enriches what was already there; it is not as though nobody ever imagined the subject of embryology existing in the Qur'an before such advancements were made!

Aside from these "vague" examples, I know of no examples from the Qur'an that clearly show radical or supernatural foresight.

Well the "foresight" here is that such knowledge as the above did not exist at the time in which the Qur'an was revealed, therefore to have verses whose valid meanings impart this, is a miracle. Also note that there is a separate aspect of the miraculous nature of the Qur'an, which is predictions of the future (which you seem to have touched on in your post).

Are you referring to the much-touted Qur'anic embryology? Where bones are formed before muscles, in contradiction with modern knowledge?

Perhaps the following article may help us to understand the issue better: http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=9&main_cat_id=31

Yes: wait for a scientific discovery, then search the Qur'an for any phrase that could be stretched in order to appear to be in agreement with it, then publicise the "miracle".

I am not an interpreter of the Qur'an and nor are you as far as I know, but needless to say this is not the case at all, as I have explained above.

Peace.

P.S. I may move these posts into the thread about scientific miracles in the Qur'an, since they might be more relevant to that topic.

 

[czgibson]

Re: Atheism

Greetings Muhammad,

I think you are right to say that this discussion would be more relevant in the 'scientific miracles' thread.

That is quite a broad statement to make. Firstly, not all of the passages are as "vague" as you make out, for the verses on embryology are quite clearly referring to embryology and discuss the subject in vivid detail.

The Qur'anic discussion of embryology clearly relates to that subject; I would put it in the category of "no radical or supernatural foresight".

So to claim, for instance, that nobody ever perceived the notion that embryology occurs in stages sounds rather far-fetched, especially since the stages mentioned in the Qur'an describe distinct shapes or forms. We have a thread about this issue here, discussing the fact that such knowledge was realised by Muslims in the 14th century, which has only been brought to light in the twentieth century.

Not so. The fact that embryology occurs in stages was known centuries before the Qur'an, and I would not dream of claiming otherwise. Hippocrates, Galen and Aristotle all proposed this.

Secondly, you are right that commentators interpret some verses differently when a verse has more than one valid meaning. So how does it discredit the value of the Qur'an if advancements in science simply aid our understanding of a meaning that was already present in a verse?

Anyone who could be bothered could perform the same trick with almost any suggestive or poetic text.

Well the "foresight" here is that such knowledge as the above did not exist at the time in which the Qur'an was revealed, therefore to have verses whose valid meanings impart this, is a miracle.

I think you are far too easily impressed. I've given you three authors who knew that embryological development took place in stages centuries before the Qur'an was written.

I am not an interpreter of the Qur'an and nor are you as far as I know, but needless to say this is not the case at all, as I have explained above.

You're right - I'm obviously not a trained interpreter of the Qur'an, but I am a textual scholar, and I know a stretched interpretation when I see one.

As an afterthought, I'd like to include the following links. I fully expect them to be censored, due to the fact that they are clearly anti-Islamic, but I really do think they contribute something worthwhile to this discussion.

censoredhttp://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Science/embryo.html

Peace

 

[جوري]

Re: Atheism

I don't want to steal Muhammad's thunder from this thread nor wish to interject anymore... I really hate wrangling.... but will tell you this much... until you are fluent in Arabic, have in fact read the Quran can you come and make the claim of being a "textual scholar" that is a profound statement to make when all you are relying on are your existential philosophies and websites with what appears to me as a clear intent.... There were many before you who have set on this task... Dr. Gary miller being one....if you want to make a valid point... one with reason.... then you should go to the roots convince us from there....

 

[czgibson]

Re: Atheism

Greetings,

I don't want to steal Muhammad's thunder from this thread nor wish to interject anymore... I really hate wrangling....

I'm surprised. You seem to want to harangue me with irrelevant comments with every post I make these days. No hard feelings though - you're free to do what you like (within the rules of LI of course ).

but will tell you this much... until you are fluent in Arabic, have in fact read the Quran can you come and make the claim of being a "textual scholar"

I've said I'm not a trained interpreter of the Qur'an. I am, however, a textual scholar, whether you like it or not. There are other books than the Qur'an, as I'm sure you are aware.

that is a profound statement to make when all you are relying on are your existential philosophies and websites with what appears to me as a clear intent....

What are existential philosophies exactly? You say I rely on them, so perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you mean by this.

There were many before you who have set on this task... Dr. Gary miller being one....if you want to make a valid point... one with reason.... then you should go to the roots convince us from there....

I am not interested in convincing you - you are obviously convinced of your beliefs, and I wish you all the very best with them. I really do. I simply want to explore the issues that arise from our differences in belief in the (perhaps vain) hope that we may together come closer to the truth. It may strike you as being offensive or insulting, and I wouldn't blame you for feeling that way, since I'm questioning your core beliefs, but if we are to approach truth then we must have the courage of our convictions and be able to tolerate such questioning. I'm sure your faith is strong enough to withstand any pressure I could apply, in any case.

Peace

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: Atheism

Not so. The fact that embryology occurs in stages was known centuries before the Qur'an, and I would not dream of claiming otherwise. Hippocrates, Galen and Aristotle all proposed this.

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Hi Callum,
The allegations concerning Qur'anic embryology resembling that of ancient greek, judaic or indian sources were debunked a long time ago; take this article for example:
http://www.quranicstudies.com/article76.html

I've also made a few posts on the subject myself in other threads. If you'd like we could dig up some of them and examine the arguments there.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Re: Atheism

Greetings,


I'm surprised. You seem to want to harangue me with irrelevant comments with every post I make these days. No hard feelings though - you're free to do what you like (within the rules of LI of course ).

Irrelevant? I think I commented thrice in the same day so I am not sure how that translates to "these days" please don't be surprised... unless you posted for the sake of just posting, not to engage an audiance? in which case please forgive my short comings...

I've said I'm not a trained interpreter of the Qur'an. I am, however, a textual scholar, whether you like it or not. There are other books than the Qur'an, as I'm sure you are aware.

you can be a textual scholar all you want my comment was clearly limited to your knowledge of Arabic and the Quran... when you refer to something as suggestive or poetic as is in one of your previous post... it tells me automatically you have no clue what you are talking about... Arabic is a very sophisticated language... one of its miracles was a divine request that anyone with exceptional poetic abilities to write a similar text if they wanted to prove the Quran false... ... There is a clear defined difference between... the Quran, the Hadith and poetry... in order for you to have a full appreciation you'd have to speak the language... I am not sure why this merits your very reactive reply?... I genuinely believe you'd argue this better if you spoke the language and read the Quran... It is a challenge but you are a man on a quest....

What are existential philosophies exactly? You say I rely on them, so perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you mean by this.

you delighted us with your list of names of known Atheists of whom Sartre and camus were known existentialists... one can only draw a conclusion that since you mention them in your post you must know something of their writing???Atheism was an integral facet of Sartre’s philosophy, and in fact he argued that atheism was a necessary consequence of anyone who took existentialism seriously if you were throwing those names in there for show then I misinterpreted your intentions, this then wouldn't apply to you .... my humble apologies....

I am not interested in convincing you - you are obviously convinced of your beliefs, and I wish you all the very best with them. I really do. I simply want to explore the issues that arise from our differences in belief in the (perhaps vain) hope that we may together come closer to the truth. It may strike you as being offensive or insulting, and I wouldn't blame you for feeling that way, since I'm questioning your core beliefs, but if we are to approach truth then we must have the courage of our convictions and be able to tolerate such questioning. I'm sure your faith is strong enough to withstand any pressure I could apply, in any case.

Peace

.......I do believe I have written that it is all inconsequential to me.... you are a self professed textual scholar with that I am sure it is visible to the naked eye especially a well trained one such as yours... one who has genuine interest in discovery, from one who wishes to write with a cruel and cutting edge of something he obviously has no deep understanding of....what was prophet Mohammed an astrologer? a poet? an embryologist? a pulmonologist? someone with a split personality as to be able write in completely two different texts even though he was illitrate? a fortune teller of future events? all this while setting the foundation for social structure, economics,politics, warefare, marriage, law to running a state some 1400 years ago? in Mesopotamia of all places.... I don't see how you can even begin to make a dent let alone "pressure" my core belief? Thanks for being presumptuous though it was a pleasure....

 

[Muhammad]

Re: Atheism

Greetings,

Anyone who could be bothered could perform the same trick with almost any suggestive or poetic text.

This is why I specifically mentioned a "proper methodology" to indicate that while there are those who distort meanings, there are indeed valid interpretations that can be drawn from verses in which science is explicitly referred to.

Peace

 

[czgibson]

Re: Atheism

Greetings,

Hi Callum,
The allegations concerning Qur'anic embryology resembling that of ancient greek, judaic or indian sources were debunked a long time ago; take this article for example:
http://www.quranicstudies.com/article76.html

This article also claims the bones are formed before the muscles, using weasel words to try and explain what seems to be a clear mistake in the Qur'an:

The above Ayah explicitly states that the bones are formed first and that this is followed by the formation of flesh or muscles which take their position around the bones (clothing the bones)....However, in this stage the primordia of muscle have not yet differentiated into definitive bones and muscles. As they do not have the shapes or forms of bones or muscles, the whole embryo at this stage does not have a human appearance.

I've also made a few posts on the subject myself in other threads. If you'd like we could dig up some of them and examine the arguments there.

That would be good.

Greeting Purest Ambrosia,

Irrelevant? I think I commented thrice in the same day so I am not sure how that translates to "these days" please don't be surprised...

I should have said "today" - my apologies.

you can be a textual scholar all you want my comment was clearly limited to your knowledge of Arabic and the Quran...

Your phrasing suggested that it was only possible to be a textual scholar of the Qur'an, which is rather different.

when you refer to something as suggestive or poetic as is in one of your previous post... it tells me automatically you have no clue what you are talking about...

Why? The Qur'an is suggestive and poetic!

There is a clear defined difference between... the Quran, the Hadith and poetry...

Of course. Did I ever say that the Qur'an was a work of poetry? No - I said it was poetic. Big difference.

I genuinely believe you'd argue this better if you spoke the language and read the Quran... It is a challenge but you are a man on a quest....

Perhaps. My only possible reason for learning Arabic would be to read the Qur'an. Aside from that, I have no interest in the language.

you delighted us with your list of names of known Atheists of whom Sartre and camus were known existentialists... one can only draw a conclusion that since you mention them in your post you must know something of their writing???

Yes. I've read all of Camus and most of Sartre. That doesn't make me an existentialist though.

Atheism was an integral facet of Sartre’s philosophy, and in fact he argued that atheism was a necessary consequence of anyone who took existentialism seriously

Correct, but not the other way round. I included Camus and Sartre because they were atheists, not because they were existentialists (Camus didn't like being called an existentialist, by the way). Sorry for any confusion this has caused.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Re: Atheism

Greetings,
Why? The Qur'an is suggestive and poetic!
Peace

The Quran ISN'T suggestive nor poetic ... to say so is to speak from ignorance... a well learned man such as yourself shouldn't be reading cliff notes or a translation, and little pamphlets of explanation ... that is if you were truly sincere in learning ... other than that I have lost interest in this dialogue.... I don't want to get lost in semantics with you.... My point was and still is ... if you are going to argue AGAINST something ... you should stand to be able to make your own argument, not base it on websites or translations.... Arabic is the second most difficult language after Chinese.... I doubt very much that you could learn it with some dexterity....... peace

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: Atheism

Hello Callum,

As the bones develop they are 'clothed' with developing muscle tissue. The Qur'an does not say that fully formed bones precede any development in muscle tissue. It says that bones begin to form and muscle tissue forms around it. Dr. Moore's own comments on this stage:

‘The continuation of Surah 23:14 indicates that out of the chewed lump stage, bones and muscles form. This is in accordance with embryological development. First the bones form as cartilage models, and then muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm...when the cartilage bones are differentiated, the embryonic conncetive tissue or mesenchyme around them is undifferentiaeted. It later develops into the muscles and ligaments attached to the bones’​

Now discrediting Moore's understanding and interpretation of the Qur'anic passages may be possible, but discrediting his understanding of embryology is another matter altogether. His universally accepted work on embryology is now in it's 7th edition.

This article also claims the bones are formed before the muscles, using weasel words to try and explain what seems to be a clear mistake in the Qur'an

The article says [emphasis mine]:

The above Ayah explicitly states that the bones are formed first and that this is followed by the formation of flesh or muscles which take their position around the bones (clothing the bones). In fact the primordia or precursors of both the bone and muscle (in the form of myotomes and selertomes) are present together with those of bones and other tissues and organs in a collective primitive structure are formed during the first 40 days and is found in the Mudghah. However, in this stage the primordia of muscle have not yet differentiated into definitive bones and muscles. As they do not have the shapes or forms of bones or muscles, the whole embryo at this stage does not have a human appearance.
During the seventh week- the skeleton begins to spread throughout the body and the bones take their familiar shapes. The embryo then starts to acquire the human appearance. At the end of the seventh week and during the eighth week the muscles take their positions around the bone forms, "definitive muscles of trunk, limbs and head are well represented and foetus is capable of some movement".
​

Dr. Abdel-Rahman is absolutely correct. Though the development of both muscle and bone tissue is gradual, differentiation of the muscle tissue follows around the bone formations. As I said before, the Qur'an does not say that completely developed bones precede any development in muscle tissue. The Qur'an says that bones are clothed in muscle tissue. Can you raise any objection to the above article that is a little more factual and a little less subjective than "using weasel words"?

In addition, his article debunks the claim that the Qur'an takes from other sources in embryology by revealing the vast differences between Qur'anic embryology and that of other sources.

Regards

 

[Protected_Diamond]

Miracles in Qur'an and Sunnah.

warhmatulahi wabarakathu

This topic will be inshaaAllah a guide for non-muslim to know the scientific miracles in qur'an and sunnah.
Any one who have any related article, please post it.

Mountains​

Mountains are huge chunks of stone rocks. They exist on a bigger chunk called the Earth. Both are from the same material. Usually people consider that mountain are huge chunks which sit on another bigger chunk. But when Man probed various layers of the Earth, he found that mountain penetrate the fur layer of the Earth. This first layer is fifty kilometers Thick Mountain bases get linked with the Earth is armoring one. However to protect the upper layer of the Earth from being affected by the second moving layer Allah the exited in might fixed it by mountains which penetrate the Two layers satiation the first one Mountain fix the first layer just like the peg which foxes the tent. Therefor researchers found a root under each mountain which penetrates the layer of the Earth Researcher were amazed when they found that this fact has been revealed in the holy Own Quern says “And the mountains as pegs? “78:7” It also says And the mountain Hath He firmly fixed “79:32 Another Ironic verses He set on the earth mountains standing firm lest it should shake with you “31:15”

Source the Age of faith dawned” By: Skaikh Abdel Majeed El Zindai

The lowest district in the world​

The lowest district in the world has been mentioned in the Quran before fourteen century. The Quranic verse which mentioned this fact has also given a correct information about a future event which later on took place & because the reason behind the embracement of many non Muslims to Islam. The above mentioned Quranic verse deals with the battle which took place between the Romans & the Persians at the early dawn of Islam.

The Romans represent people of the holy book “The Bible” whereas the Persians were idol & fire worshipers. However, in that battle the Persians defeated the Romans. The Muslims did not like it. They did not like idol & fire worshipers to defeat the followers of a holy book. Muslims felt sad. Therefore Allah condoled Muslims by informing them a future event which will take place. In that event, Quran informed, the Roman will defeat the Persians. Quran said “A.L.M. The Roman Empire has been defeated – In a Land close by; But they, (even) after (This) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious – Within a few years. With Allah is the decision, in the past and in the Future: On that Day shall The Believers rejoice – with the help of Allah. He helps whom He will, and He is Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. (It is) the promise of Allah. Never does Allah depart From His promise: But most men understand not The Know but the outer “Things” in the life of this world: “but of the End of things they are heedless” [30:1-7] This verse told its contemporaries what would be & what it promised tool place. One of the idol worshiper came to Abu-Baker the companion of the prophet (PBUH) & with an air of unbelieving he informed Abu-Baker about this Quranic verse which he heard from the prophet (PBUH). The unbeliever expressed his doubt about it but Abu-Baker told him that it will take place & the Romans will defeat the Persians. Then after seven years the Romans defeated the Persians & what the Quran had said happened. The Muslims became very happy & rejoiced the news. It revealed the miraculous nature of Quran & large numbers of non-believers embraced Islam. They came to conclusion that whatever the prophet Mohammed is saying is actually a divine revelation which comes from the creator & sustainer of this universe. The above Quranic verse revealed that Quran revealed many things which was unknown to human intellect, Quran & its content is a challenge to human intellect therefore Quran is a divine revelation. The scholar Elzindani said that he met a scholar of Geology in America. His name was Palma. He is one of the distinguished scholars in the field of Geology in America. There was a model of Earth with him. The high & low areas were clearly indicated on it. However, the American scholar was not aware of the place, which is in reality the lower district on the Earth. The scholar Elzidani told him that there is a Quranic verse, which informs us that a district near Jerusalem is the lowest district Earth. He told the American scholar that in the above mentioned the word “close by” has been interpreted by former interpreters as of having two meanings, the first meaning is “more near” and the second meaning is “lower”. They gave importance to the first meaning because it expressed for them the sense of Geographical nearness to the Land of Arabs. However the Land which is described as “more near” “Lower” is the lower areas of the Dead Sea. However, the American scholar mentioned some other districts in the world, which are known to be low areas such as the low areas in Holland. But Shaikh Zindani confirmed to him that the lowest area on Earth is located in somewhere between Jerusalem & the surrounding areas. He asked the American to rotate the Earth embodied to confirm this fact. However, the American scholar rotated the Embodiment of Earth. He found many low areas on it, but when he came to the area mentioned by Zindani to be the lowest area in the Earth he found an arrow which point at it and indicate that it is the lowest place on Earth. The American scholar said that it is a true fact, Shaikh Zindani informed him that it is the Quran, which clarified this fact before fourteen century. It sib the Quran which came from Allah Who knows the reality of each & every thing.

Source “The Age of Faith dawned” By Shaikh Abdel Majeed Elzindani

warhmatulahi wabarakathu

 

[i_m_tipu]

Re: Miracles in Qur'an and Sunnah.

warhmatulahi wabarakathu

This topic will be inshaaAllah a guide for non-muslim to know the scientific miracles in qur'an and sunnah.
Any one who have any related article, please post it.

Mountains​

Mountains are huge chunks of stone rocks. They exist on a bigger chunk called the Earth. Both are from the same material. Usually people consider that mountain are huge chunks which sit on another bigger chunk. But when Man probed various layers of the Earth, he found that mountain penetrate the fur layer of the Earth. This first layer is fifty kilometers Thick Mountain bases get linked with the Earth is armoring one. However to protect the upper layer of the Earth from being affected by the second moving layer Allah the exited in might fixed it by mountains which penetrate the Two layers satiation the first one Mountain fix the first layer just like the peg which foxes the tent. Therefor researchers found a root under each mountain which penetrates the layer of the Earth Researcher were amazed when they found that this fact has been revealed in the holy Own Quern says “And the mountains as pegs? “78:7” It also says And the mountain Hath He firmly fixed “79:32 Another Ironic verses He set on the earth mountains standing firm lest it should shake with you “31:15”

Source the Age of faith dawned” By: Skaikh Abdel Majeed El Zindai

The lowest district in the world​

The lowest district in the world has been mentioned in the Quran before fourteen century. The Quranic verse which mentioned this fact has also given a correct information about a future event which later on took place & because the reason behind the embracement of many non Muslims to Islam. The above mentioned Quranic verse deals with the battle which took place between the Romans & the Persians at the early dawn of Islam.

The Romans represent people of the holy book “The Bible” whereas the Persians were idol & fire worshipers. However, in that battle the Persians defeated the Romans. The Muslims did not like it. They did not like idol & fire worshipers to defeat the followers of a holy book. Muslims felt sad. Therefore Allah condoled Muslims by informing them a future event which will take place. In that event, Quran informed, the Roman will defeat the Persians. Quran said “A.L.M. The Roman Empire has been defeated – In a Land close by; But they, (even) after (This) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious – Within a few years. With Allah is the decision, in the past and in the Future: On that Day shall The Believers rejoice – with the help of Allah. He helps whom He will, and He is Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. (It is) the promise of Allah. Never does Allah depart From His promise: But most men understand not The Know but the outer “Things” in the life of this world: “but of the End of things they are heedless” [30:1-7] This verse told its contemporaries what would be & what it promised tool place. One of the idol worshiper came to Abu-Baker the companion of the prophet (PBUH) & with an air of unbelieving he informed Abu-Baker about this Quranic verse which he heard from the prophet (PBUH). The unbeliever expressed his doubt about it but Abu-Baker told him that it will take place & the Romans will defeat the Persians. Then after seven years the Romans defeated the Persians & what the Quran had said happened. The Muslims became very happy & rejoiced the news. It revealed the miraculous nature of Quran & large numbers of non-believers embraced Islam. They came to conclusion that whatever the prophet Mohammed is saying is actually a divine revelation which comes from the creator & sustainer of this universe. The above Quranic verse revealed that Quran revealed many things which was unknown to human intellect, Quran & its content is a challenge to human intellect therefore Quran is a divine revelation. The scholar Elzindani said that he met a scholar of Geology in America. His name was Palma. He is one of the distinguished scholars in the field of Geology in America. There was a model of Earth with him. The high & low areas were clearly indicated on it. However, the American scholar was not aware of the place, which is in reality the lower district on the Earth. The scholar Elzidani told him that there is a Quranic verse, which informs us that a district near Jerusalem is the lowest district Earth. He told the American scholar that in the above mentioned the word “close by” has been interpreted by former interpreters as of having two meanings, the first meaning is “more near” and the second meaning is “lower”. They gave importance to the first meaning because it expressed for them the sense of Geographical nearness to the Land of Arabs. However the Land which is described as “more near” “Lower” is the lower areas of the Dead Sea. However, the American scholar mentioned some other districts in the world, which are known to be low areas such as the low areas in Holland. But Shaikh Zindani confirmed to him that the lowest area on Earth is located in somewhere between Jerusalem & the surrounding areas. He asked the American to rotate the Earth embodied to confirm this fact. However, the American scholar rotated the Embodiment of Earth. He found many low areas on it, but when he came to the area mentioned by Zindani to be the lowest area in the Earth he found an arrow which point at it and indicate that it is the lowest place on Earth. The American scholar said that it is a true fact, Shaikh Zindani informed him that it is the Quran, which clarified this fact before fourteen century. It sib the Quran which came from Allah Who knows the reality of each & every thing.

Source “The Age of Faith dawned” By Shaikh Abdel Majeed Elzindani

warhmatulahi wabarakathu

:salamext:
this is something new to me
JajakAllaah sister:statisfie :statisfie :statisfie

 

[QuranStudy]

Clot of blood?

The Quran says that Allah created man from a clot of blood. This is scientifically inaccurate. Can anybosy please explain whether I am seeing things wrong?

Thanks.

 

[QuranStudy]

Did Mohammed (pbuh) have access to Greek scholars?

Did our Prophet have access to Greek scholarly works?

Peace.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

Re: Did Mohammed (pbuh) have access to Greek scholars?

no

bcos in makkah there was only the Quraysh & they had visitors from all over arabia, and RasoolAllah (saw) had contact with christians, when he used to trade, but i dont think greek scholars wud b der, bcos their ideology wud hav been mashed up b the quraysh because they wouldnt have tolerated another religion, so theres no way that its true!! just a myth by wannabes

 

[Samee]

Re: Clot of blood?



(22:5)
O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs).

This verse also mentions a leech like clot as one of the stages. This refers to a specific stage in the development of a baby, which occurs after conception, in which the embryo looks like a clot of blood.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: Clot of blood?

The Quran says that Allah created man from a clot of blood. This is scientifically inaccurate. Can anybosy please explain whether I am seeing things wrong?

Did our Prophet have access to Greek scholarly works?

Both of these questions are answered here:
http://www.quranicstudies.com/article76.html

From the above it says:

7.2 The second phase of embryo development
This is subdivided as follows
i) The 'Alaqah stage

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً ​

"Then (thumm) We made the drop into an 'Alaqah". (Surah Al-Mu 'minun, Ayah 14)
In Arabic the word ‘Alaqah in fact has several meanings;

• something which clings or a suspended thing (Ref: 7B, 5/440: 1D, 4/125: 2D, 4/1529: 3D, 343: 4D, 10/267: 5D, 7/20)
  
• a leech-like structure (Ref: 9A, 3/242: 20A, 2/281: 7B, 5/139: 2D, 4/1529: 3D, 343: 4D, 10/267)

Amazingly each of these terms can be applied to the developing embryo with stunning precision. All of these terms encompassed by the word ‘Alaqah describe the appearance of the embryo as well as its relationship with the womb. From the discussion below it becomes clear that the embryo resembles a primitive multicellular organism which is attached to a host and feeding on its blood.
a) something which clings
Modern science informs us that once the egg has been fertilised in the Fallopian tube it undergoes successive divisions to form a ball like structure of 12-16 cells by the third day. This structure is called a blastocyst and it reaches the uterus in 4 to 5 days. The blastocyst then lies free in the uterine secretions for a further 2 days. About a week after fertilisation the blastocyst begins to attach and implant into the uterine wall. By the 11th to 12th day it is completely embedded in the uterine wall. At this stage chorionic villosities begin to develop like roots in the soil, these draw nourishment from the uterus necessary for the blastocyst's growth. These formations cover the whole blastocyst and make it literally cling to the uterus. By the end of the second week implantation is complete. Inside the blastocyst the embryo is anchored to the wall of the chorionic cavity by a connecting stalk. Hence, these different ways of clinging and attachment seem to represent the most dominant features from day 7 to 21, and are perfectly described in the Qur'anic description by the word ‘Alaqah. For greater detail see S. Hussain (1986) ‘Al-‘Alaq:the mystery explored, Ark Journal, London, pp. 31-36.
b) a suspended thing
The 3 week old embryo inside the blastocyst which is embedded in the uterine wall is seen to be suspended in the chorionic cavity by means of the connecting stalk and is surrounded by the amniotic cavity and the yolk sac. Therefore, the term ‘Alaqah accurately describes the suspended embryo after it has been implanted.
c) a leech-like structure
The word ‘Alaqah can also be translated as ‘leech like structure'. The leech is a elongated pear shaped creature which thrives on blood sucking. At this stage of development the embryo from top view does bear a resemblance to a leech. This resemblance is even more marked if the 24 day old embryo is seen from the side. It is also interesting to note that the embryo is now dependent on the maternal blood for its nutrition and behaves very much like a leech!. (For greater detail see Moore, KL. ‘A scientists interpretation of references to embryology in the Qur'an.' Journal of the Islamic Medical Association of US and Canada, 1986, 18:15, and Moore, KL. and Azzindani, AMA.: "The Developing Human, Clinically Orientated Embryology, With Islamic Additions". 3rd Ed., Dar Al-Qiblah and WB Saunders).
In conclusion, whichever of the above terms are used to translate the word ‘Alaqah they are all stunningly accurate descriptions of the embryo at this stage in it's development as confirmed by modern science.
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[Abu Zakariya]

Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

I agree with czgibson. This has gone to far.

At best, we can say that it is interesting that the verse mentions the tips of the fingers and that it maybe indicates something. At best. To call it a scientific miracle is to overdo it, to say the least.

The commentary in the translation of the meaning of the Qur'an (The Noble Qur'an) of this verse mentions this issue, so I would recommend everyone to read that short commentary for one explanation of this. It's certainly not my business to comment on the verse the way I did.

 

[czgibson]

Re: Miracles Facts about Quran

Greetings,

The commentary in the translation of the meaning of the Qur'an (The Noble Qur'an) of this verse mentions this issue, so I would recommend everyone to read that short commentary for one explanation of this. It's certainly not my business to comment on the verse the way I did.

It might be best to mention whose commentary and whose translation, as there are many.

Peace

 

[Abu Zakariya]

The Noble Qur'an by Khan and Hilali.

I'm sorry for being unclear, I assumed everyone knew that "the Noble Qur'an" is that particular translation.