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Why do Evolutionists believe a bunch of "smart molecules" just happen to get together one day...?

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Why do Evolutionists believe a bunch of "smart molecules" just happen to get together one day...?

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It is a complex study. But it is obvious that your only intent is to deney it.
My guess is that no amount of information is going to change your closed mind.
 
Why do Evolutionists believe a bunch of "smart molecules" just happen to get together one day...?
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What has "smart molecules" (if they even exist) have to do with evolution. Your question is as dumb as asking why are all muslims intent on being terrorists! (and I am sure you will see that question as arrogant) and you would be right, just like your question.


Sorry, but thier it is.
 
In looking at the basis of life as being a purely chemical reaction. It does make logical sense. Looking at the common chain molecules such as the COH chains and the nitrated hydrocarbons with the addition of Nitrogen. It would be easy to believe that a complex chemical reaction could resemble what we know as life.

Now I just can not understand that if it is so easy for such "life like" molecules to develope in the Carbon chains, why don't we have living organisisms here on earth, that are based on the Sulpher and/or the silicon chains. Both form chains as complex as the carbon chains and some of the molecules appear to be self replicating. I am just curious as to why we do not have any random life forms running around, based on those chains.

Some how it seems there is a factor that seperates chemical reaction from life and that factor does not seem to be random or accidental.
 
In looking at the basis of life as being a purely chemical reaction. It does make logical sense. Looking at the common chain molecules such as the COH chains and the nitrated hydrocarbons with the addition of Nitrogen. It would be easy to believe that a complex chemical reaction could resemble what we know as life.
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Your talking the origins of life which evolution is completely the wrong theory. Your point is within abiogenesis (the origins of first organic life) which is still a great scientific mystery.

Now I just can not understand that if it is so easy for such "life like" molecules to develope in the Carbon chains, why don't we have living organisisms here on earth, that are based on the Sulpher and/or the silicon chains. Both form chains as complex as the carbon chains and some of the molecules appear to be self replicating. I am just curious as to why we do not have any random life forms running around, based on those chains.
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Sounds credible. But why conclude life actually originates from earth? Panspermia has been moving forward with great strides making the origin of life from space very much a possibility.

Some how it seems there is a factor that seperates chemical reaction from life and that factor does not seem to be random or accidental
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The factor has not been identified yet, so how can we rule it out as random or accidental? Besides, all this has nothing to do with evolution so why are we so off topic!
 
Oh this is fun, a discussion about who's open minded and who's not. Let's put the theory to the test:

* I am a creationist, but I am open minded to evolution. If tomorrow evolution is proven beyond doubt and I turn out to be wrong, I don't loose anything. I don't need to change my worldview or beliefsystem. I don't "need" all aspects of evolution to be false. ID is also a posibility with Islam. So For all I care evolution can be true, and it changes absolutely nothing in my belief or day to day life. The reason I am a creationist is simply because it makes more sense to me, no hidden agenda.

*Wilberhum, your turn. How open minded are you? What If tomorrow evolution turns out false, would it dramaticly change your worldview? How dependant are you upon this theory? How strongly do you "need" it to be true?
 
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Steve,
You have one and only one asset. Your only quality, well you think it is a quality, is stubbornness..
 
wilberhum said:
Steve,
You have one and only one asset. Your only quality, well you think it is a quality, is stubbornness..
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Exactly the kind of answer I'd expected from the most open minded person on this forum...

...NOT :D

I guess those defeats in previous discussions must have tasted very bitter, for you to still carry a grudge around. :p
 
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I want to know more about evolution.
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A volcano erupts and it ruins the habitat of a species of animal.

The animals move to another place.

In this new place the bushes are slightly taller due to the different weather patterns.

The animals with the shorter arms have difficulty reaching their food and some die of starvation.

The ones that die usually don’t have offspring.

The ones with longer arms live on and have offspring.

Today the whole species have longer arms.

Scientists have found fossilised remains of this animal and the fossils all have short arms.

The species evolved long arms to survive.

Religious people hate evolution. According to religious people the above description must also mean that horses evolved from fish! Scientific people don’t say that.
 
QuranStudy said:
I want to know more about evolution.

can anyone post a site that explains the basics?
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Try
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
It is a good start. If you do a search on "evolution" you will find thousands of entries. You will also find lots that deney it. Mostly on basis of there religious belief. If you truly want to understand, keep an open mind. You will soon learn how to spot those that want to present Scientific Information and those that want to present something else.
If you are honest in your endevor, you can IM me. I will do all I can. I hate to speak for Root, but I bet he would also be glad to help. I have read enough of his postings to see that he knows his stuff, and presents it well.

Happy learning. It is truly interesting.
 
Well Joe, that's not evolution, that's survival of the fitest. Evolution is the theory that a specie can mutate into a whole difrent one. Wulf to dog, lion to cat, but if you throw in common descent also fish to horse.
 
Thanks for the link....

Let's suppose evolution is an undeniable fact. Would that disprove the existance of God?

I try to learn as much as I can from your sources.
 
QuranStudy said:
Thanks for the link....
Let's suppose evolution is an undeniable fact. Would that disprove the existance of God?
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No it wouldn't; not at all. Evolution only tells us what species did after they came into existance. So it's not an alternative for creation. Wilberhum is just frustrated that he cannot prove me wrong. I already posted here before I don't need evolution to be wrong, it's perfectly compatible with Islam, I disbelief parts of it simply because it doesn't make sense. Then he answers that people who don't believe in evolution do so because of their belief, and he says I'm the stuborn one :)
 

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