Holocaust cartoon fair opens in Iran

[aamirsaab]

The world is full of retards.

I thank Allah I am not a retard. Ameen.

 

[SirZubair]

me 2

You are so predictable..

The world is full of retards.

I thank Allah I am not a retard. Ameen.

Unfortunetly, alot of them either converting to islam or are born-muslims..

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

An international contest of cartoons on the Holocaust opened in Tehran in response to the publication in Western papers last September of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.

I find this quite odd. “Explore the limits of freedom Westerners believe in”, from a place that limits most of the freedoms that Westerners take for granted.

He's such a child! If I have to hear these children shout "Well... he started it" one more time, I'm going to send them all to their rooms!

Ninth Scribe

 

[SASB]

This is stupid. Why take revenge on Jewish people? They're not the ones who made and published those cartoons in the first place.

Completely agree!!!
whats done is done, why should we lower our standards and stoop to their level, by making theese cartoons, we have already experienced how horrible it is to have ur religon degraded like that why make someone else go through what we had to.

 

[QuranStudy]

This is stupid. Why take revenge on Jewish people? They're not the ones who made and published those cartoons in the first place.

Because denying the Holocaust in most European countries is such an offence that it is illegal. What can be a better topic of humiliation?

 

[abdmez]

I never said they were doing the right thing, I was just clarifying that this 'attack' is not primally aimed at Jewish people.

An Holocaust cartoon fest isn't an attack on the Jewish people... :giggling: :uhwhat

 

[Keltoi]

Because denying the Holocaust in most European countries is such an offence that it is illegal. What can be a better topic of humiliation?

I find it strange that such an obvious use of free-speech would be punishable by prison time. However, I can also understand why these governments take the issue so seriously. Germany has taken responsibility for Hitler's crimes, and to show how seriously they take this responsibility, they will not allow their citizens to deny such an event took place.

 

[Keltoi]

Re-read what I wrote, pay attention when you get to the part in bold <sigh>:

"I never said they were doing the right thing, I was just clarifying that this 'attack' is not primally aimed at Jewish people."

If it isn't aimed at Jewish people, a collection of cartoons about the Holocaust, who exactly is this aimed at?

 

[Keltoi]

I just read post 10. The point remains the same. Why make cartoons about the Holocaust if your intention is to show a double standard in free-speech? In the context of the Danish cartoons and free-speech, this might have some validity, if one doesn't realize that cartoons about the Holocaust serve the same purpose as the Danish cartoons. To cause insult.

 

[Kidman]

Just this last weekend, i got into a confrontations with some Christians. They were basically in downtown Tempe... and preaching Christianity, which i had no problem with, but when i walked by one gave me a lil pamphlet thing, which i had no problem with, except that the pamphlet said "Who Is Allaah" and they had another that said "The Truth About the Koran" and they were passing these out.

Ya, i almost got into a huge fight with them... besides that, should i blame the government for these people who do this, or should i blame the people themselves?

In this article it said that the money that paid the winners didn't come from the Government, i think this was just ignorant people who set it up, just like the people on the street that i saw...

anyways, I didn't read the full story to see, but just thought i'd add my experience where ignorant people would promote other religions to be bad to make theirs look better.

Kidman

 

[abdmez]

Just this last weekend, i got into a confrontations with some Christians. They were basically in downtown Tempe... and preaching Christianity, which i had no problem with, but when i walked by one gave me a lil pamphlet thing, which i had no problem with, except that the pamphlet said "Who Is Allaah" and they had another that said "The Truth About the Koran" and they were passing these out.

Ya, i almost got into a huge fight with them... besides that, should i blame the government for these people who do this, or should i blame the people themselves?

In this article it said that the money that paid the winners didn't come from the Government, i think this was just ignorant people who set it up, just like the people on the street that i saw...

anyways, I didn't read the full story to see, but just thought i'd add my experience where ignorant people would promote other religions to be bad to make theirs look better.

Kidman

It was a goverment run newspaper that set it up in Iran.

It was a private Christian organiztion that set it up in Tempe.

Big difference. No comparison.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Just this last weekend, i got into a confrontations with some Christians. They were basically in downtown Tempe... and preaching Christianity, which i had no problem with, but when i walked by one gave me a lil pamphlet thing, which i had no problem with, except that the pamphlet said "Who Is Allaah" and they had another that said "The Truth About the Koran" and they were passing these out.

Ya, i almost got into a huge fight with them... besides that, should i blame the government for these people who do this, or should i blame the people themselves?

In this article it said that the money that paid the winners didn't come from the Government, i think this was just ignorant people who set it up, just like the people on the street that i saw...

anyways, I didn't read the full story to see, but just thought i'd add my experience where ignorant people would promote other religions to be bad to make theirs look better.

Kidman

Ordinary people can plead ignorance. Leaders cannot.

I ignore people when I have reason to believe they speak or act out of ignorance. I am not that forgiving with priests, popes, soldiers, military commanders or presidents. I expect alot more from them. Thus far, I am deeply disappointed in them all. They behave like children fighting over the school-yard sandbox. It's disgraceful behavior. Ghetto hoodies have more class.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Remember this hadith : -

The Prophet said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The character and teachings of the Prophet (pbuh) are so beautiful and important. It's disgusting that we think we can defend our beloved while abandoning all that he taught us. To honour Muhammad (pbuh) we shouldn't insult others, or hurt others, or seek to cause disruption - to honour him we should follow his example.

I feel so embaressed, wallahi, that this fair is even linked to our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we should cut our ties from it and distance ourselves, our Prophet (pbuh) and Islam from it.

Asalamu alaykum.

Beautifully said. Mashaa'Allah.

 

[therebbe]

So then according to that hadith, Iran is in clear violation of Islamic law correct? Yet I keep hearing that Iran is actually closest to Shariah Law. Does Shariah law include following Muhammad's words in Hadith's? Since Iran is in such clear violation?

 

[cihad]

innocent people died

and now you want to draw cartoons



how utterly childish!

 

[azim]

So then according to that hadith, Iran is in clear violation of Islamic law correct?

If it is Iran holding this fair, then yes, they are.

Yet I keep hearing that Iran is actually closest to Shariah Law.

The hadith that was posted IS Shariah Law. Shariah is nothing but the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah.

How close or how far Iran is to these teachings is easy to find, compare their actions to those of Muhammad (pbuh) and what is taught in the Quran.

My opinion - there is no country on the face of this earth atm that is running its country Islamically. I also believe that some Western goverments that have the welfare state are closer to shariah law then Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Welfare State being a concept first introduced by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and then perfected by his followers.

Does Shariah law include following Muhammad's words in Hadith's? Since Iran is in such clear violation?

Yes, the Shariah does include Muhammad (pbuh) words and actions.

Sadly, Islamic countries are not very Islamic these days.

 

[therebbe]

If it is Iran holding this fair, then yes, they are.

Good to know that Iran does not represent Islamic law.

some Western goverments that have the welfare state are closer to shariah law then Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Interesting.


Overall a very good and informative post. Thank you.

 

[brainiac]

How funny would it be if Jews all over the world massed in the streets chanting 'Death to Iran' and began burning down Iranian embassies and businesses ? Sort of like another group of people we know do when they feel slighted.

 

[Kidman]

How funny would it be if Jews all over the world massed in the streets chanting 'Death to Iran' and began burning down Iranian embassies and businesses ? Sort of like another group of people we know do when they feel slighted.

They wouldn't do that... even the Jews in Iran are treated with much respect and like the president. The President never said that the holocaust never happened, he just said it has been overeggagerated.

Kidman

 

[therebbe]

even the Jews in Iran are treated with much respect

The Muslims in Denmark have the freedom to worship and practice Islam. Does that mean they are treated with respect? Of course not.

In Iran the shuls where Jews pray have had hate crimes commited against them, and they have a state news paper making a mockery of an event where millions of there fellow jews died.

There treated with basicaly no respect!