Holocaust cartoon fair opens in Iran

[guyabano]

By the way, some of you are hypocrites.

Yes, i said Hypocrites.

i'll say it again, H Y P O C R I T E S.

You cry a river when a newspaper prints something that you find offensive, but you show support for such crap?

Subhan'allah.

Some of you talk big when it comes to 'i love islam...' 'i follow the quran and sunnah...'

Display it once every now and then, it might do you some good.

Aud'billah.

Some of you people make me SICK.

Honestly, I cannot blame them, as many here on the forum seem to be kids (or at least think like kids) or teenies with a distort ideology.

 

[Curious girl2]

I am

Then I feel sorry for you, I really do.

My Grandfather was in the army when Auschwitz was liberated. What he saw there haunted him for the rest of his life.

Whilever people deny that great tragedies such as the holocaust happened, the human race will make no progress towards living in peace.

Peace
CG

 

[S_87]

two wrongs dont make a right... they are just relighting fire

 

[KAding]

How funny would it be if Jews all over the world massed in the streets chanting 'Death to Iran' and began burning down Iranian embassies and businesses ? Sort of like another group of people we know do when they feel slighted.

It would of course be perfectly understandable . Not that I would condone it of course, but, hey, you reap what you sow!

 

[brainiac]

They wouldn't do that... even the Jews in Iran are treated with much respect and like the president. The President never said that the holocaust never happened, he just said it has been overeggagerated.

Kidman

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/60AE1720-F333-4869-974D-3B69283105BF.htm

Ahmadinejad: Holocaust a myth
Wednesday 14 December 2005, 15:53 Makka Time, 12:53 GMT
Ahmadinejad has caused outrage in Washington and Jerusalem

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has again caused international outcry by repeating his view that the Holocaust was a myth.

In a speech broadcast live on state television on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the southern city of Zahedan: "They have fabricated a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves.

"If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream."

Responding to the comments, Israel urged the international community to "open its eyes" to the Iranian regime and its nuclear programme.

Mark Regev, spokesman for the Foreign Ministry, said: "We hope these extremist comments by the Iranian president will make the international community open its eyes and abandon any illusions about this regime."

"The comments are wholly unacceptable and we condemn them unreservedly"

Douglas Alexander,
UK minister for Europe

The European Union also added its condemnation, with Douglas Alexander, Britain's minister for Europe, saying the comments had no place in international debate.

"The comments are wholly unacceptable and we condemn them unreservedly. They have no place in civilised political debate," said Alexander, whose country currently holds the EU presidency.

Speaking in Strasbourg to the applause of European parliamentarians, he said that "the presidency has been unequivocal in its condemnation of the comments attributed to President Ahmadinejad of Iran".

'Off the map'

The Iranian leader's comments come days after his inflammatory statements that the state of Israel should be moved to Europe.

The president, who said in October that Israel must be "wiped off the map", said last week that if Germany and Austria believed that Jews were massacred during the second world war, a state of Israel should be established on their soil.

He was being interviewed on Al-Alam, an Iranian state satellite channel while in Makka, Saudi Arabia, where he was attending a summit of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference.

The remarks drew criticism from the UN, the UK and Germany, among others.

Ahmadinejad was elected as successor to Mohammed Khatami in June, and has caused concern for some in the West with his hardline rhetoric.

Aljazeera + Agencies



I think we've done this dance before. The guy DID deny the holocaust happened, and he IS a nut-case. And yes, Al Jazeera DID get the translation correct.

 

[brainiac]

It would of course be perfectly understandable . Not that I would condone it of course, but, hey, you reap what you sow!

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, so they say.

 

[azim]

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, so they say.

Meaning... I have issues with proverbs and archaic sayings. I think many born to immigrant parents do, I always come across random sayings that mean nothing to me.

 

[therebbe]

Meaning... I have issues with proverbs and archaic sayings. I think many born to immigrant parents do, I always come across random sayings that mean nothing to me.

lol, don't worry I feel the same way.

 

[SirZubair]

I think we've done this dance before. The guy DID deny the holocaust happened, and he IS a nut-case. And yes, Al Jazeera DID get the translation correct.

Refer to these posts :

http://www.islamicboard.com/376732-post3.html

And

http://www.islamicboard.com/378915-post9.html

 

[brainiac]

Meaning... I have issues with proverbs and archaic sayings. I think many born to immigrant parents do, I always come across random sayings that mean nothing to me.

The meaning is if Muslims took to the streets to protest the Muhammed cartoons, why shouldn't the Jews do the same ? They won't, of course, but it would be quite a change of pace.

 

[S_87]

The meaning is if Muslims took to the streets to protest the Muhammed cartoons, why shouldn't the Jews do the same ? They won't, of course, but it would be quite a change of pace.

Hey

if they wanted to thats fine, however insulting a Prophet is different. the jews AND christians SHOULD protest when Moses and Jesus peace be upon them both are insulted, and you know what? id join them in that too....

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

all that can be said is,let us see what the west will do?

will they print the pictures or wont they?

as they say it is press freedom,then i hope that some press will print out the pictures and we will see the reaction..

If any papers print them that is,if they dont then it is clear some FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IF HIGHER THAN OTHERS.
The danes said they wanted to test the Freedom of expression or to remove the fear of insulting the Prophet.
so now Iran is doign the same,to make a joke out of the holocaust to get people to NOT BE FEARFUL to contradict the obvious unscietific truth of the holocaust.

To make the people to question and doubt the veracity of the holocaust as portrayed by the west.but is it allowed? Or will you be palced in jail??

 

[Zulkiflim]

Holocaust denial is a crime in the places it happend because they realize all the blood they have on there hands. They have admitted to the atrocious crimes they commited, and they will never let people diminish what happend, or try and deny it, because history does repeat itself.

Salaam,

Isnt it funny,suposedly it is a crime and they dont want people to forget their wrong doing but then they ask for firgiveness by sending the people to a foregn land and give them arms to murder the residents of that land

wow so in short german and the west have commited 2 massacare...

Are the german and the west in denial of the wrong doing done to the palestinians??

Or are they rpactising selective amnesia?
Or is it becasue,they ahrmed the jews and not arabs so it dont matter?

thus if that is the way the west must massacare arabs by the million then will arabs and muslims get jsutice?

 

[Zulkiflim]

How funny would it be if Jews all over the world massed in the streets chanting 'Death to Iran' and began burning down Iranian embassies and businesses ? Sort of like another group of people we know do when they feel slighted.

Salaam,

do tehy need to when their goverment have that intetion with suport of the US ?

you can read it on any western adn isrealis media how evil the Iranian are...ohh and syria too...

 

[Zulkiflim]

The Muslims in Denmark have the freedom to worship and practice Islam. Does that mean they are treated with respect? Of course not.

In Iran the shuls where Jews pray have had hate crimes commited against them, and they have a state news paper making a mockery of an event where millions of there fellow jews died.

There treated with basicaly no respect!

salaam,

If that is the case why dont they paerform aliyah??

 

[Zulkiflim]

I have always had an interest in history at one point read about the holocaust – and felt sympathy with the Jews.

Then I saw that they treated some of their Arab citizens unfairly and my sympathy was with the Palestinians.

The response of the Palestinians was to become violent. My sympathy swung back to the Jews.

If the Palestinians and for that matter ALL Muslims made peaceful protests the world sympathy would be with them! If only they had followed the teachings of Muhammad (pbuh)

Salaam,

Well trully your word that muslim should just make peaceful protest is trully enlightening.

we should just take placards and say,no to bombs and no to war and so on..Pls do nto bombs us ,do not shoot our chidlren,do not dishonour our relign..

and what has that achieved?

Did they stopped the bombing?
No
did they stop the shooting?
No
Did they stop the insults?
NO

as for the danes,when the peaceful protest erupted,did the danes PM even talked to the muslim ambassodors?
NO
Did he even said conciliatory gestures?
No
Did he do anythign before the sitaution become bad?
No

so it seems that the only message they can get acroos is when they are threatned or ahrmed,till then they will just say it is our way..

so let me sak you,where does peaceful protest help? when the other side stopped listening?

 

[therebbe]

as for the danes,when the peaceful protest erupted,did the danes PM even talked to the muslim ambassodors?

Why should the Danish Goverment have spoken to ambassadors? It was not the Danish goverment that published the cartoon, it was a Danish newspaper.

That is like saying that every Muslim should have apologized for 9/11 because some Muslims did it. Your comments are highly contradicting and outrageous.

If that is the case why dont they paerform aliyah??

In the coutry of Iran it is illegal for jews to perfom Aliyah. If they tried it would be against the law. Believe me after the gross human rights violations in Iran I think they probably should. But I guess they are fearful for being killed.

so now Iran is doign the same,to make a joke out of the holocaust to get people to NOT BE FEARFUL to contradict the obvious unscietific truth of the holocaust.

The 'obvious'?

You speak as if you have fact backing up your statements when you have no such facts whatsoever.

You have propaganda.

 

[Zulkiflim]

To everyone who said the following :-


Remember this hadith : -

The Prophet said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The character and teachings of the Prophet (pbuh) are so beautiful and important. It's disgusting that we think we can defend our beloved while abandoning all that he taught us. To honour Muhammad (pbuh) we shouldn't insult others, or hurt others, or seek to cause disruption - to honour him we should follow his example.

I feel so embaressed, wallahi, that this fair is even linked to our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we should cut our ties from it and distance ourselves, our Prophet (pbuh) and Islam from it.

Asalamu alaykum.

Salaam,

alhamdulilah that you have read the aprt that makes you happy or what i would sall MODERATES MUSLIM,,who take the view of peace,peace wihout learnign of the war and the laws of war in Islam.


Now let me refrsh you about somthing in Islam..

we are accordied to be civil to those of us but let me ask you this.

when in the time of Jahiliyah,when the arabs worshipped stones and statues,the Prophet muhammad saw called them wrong does and asked them to turn aways from idolatry...

was the action of the prophet wrong?
Was he rude?
was he insolent for calling them to abandon falsehood and idolatry?

For me i would say no,,but for you given that you only know of that verse it would seem if you exist in that time you would surely be ones whom would have stoned the Prophet Muhammad saw.

The Prophet always mainted to do right and made ONE TRUE CALL always and never bend knee to falsehood and intoletance and oppresion.

the Propeht always taught and made clear his views on what is right and what is wrong.

And yet here you are saying that Iran should not correct the wrong idealogy of the western "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION",that we should not stoop so low.

But is that what we are doign or as the west say by printing the caricatures "to teach muslim abour freedom of expression"..
So arent we then teaching them about their dishonesty and ambiguity?

So the call is simple,freedom of expression,,whose freedom and whose expression..

 

[Zulkiflim]

Why should the Danish Goverment have spoken to ambassadors? It was not the Danish goverment that published the cartoon, it was a Danish newspaper.

That is like saying that every Muslim should have apologized for 9/11 because some Muslims did it. Your comments are highly contradicting and outrageous.



In the coutry of Iran it is illegal for jews to perfom Aliyah. If they tried it would be against the law. Believe me after the gross human rights violations in Iran I think they probably should. But I guess they are fearful for being killed.


The 'obvious'?

You speak as if you have fact backing up your statements when you have no such facts whatsoever.

You have propaganda.

Salaam

so the danish Pm have no say on the matter?

Nor does he said anythign when asked by 11(is that right) ambassodors from muslim coutnries?
He did not only try to say HIS STANDPOINT but rebuffed a meeting with them..

Did he even listen to the ambassodors? NO
Did he listen to his own danes muslim? No
what did he do,,,,He said nothing and did nothing..

It was ONLY after the news was sentastionalized did he did do something,that it was the papers own fault and not the goveremnt...
And this was his stance all the way,but the fact is HE WAS FORCED TO ACTION ONLY AFTER ..NOt before,,he did not ake a pro active approach to listen to the grievances of his own danes,,albeit muslim,he did not even listen to the AMBASSADORS,people who represent COUTNRIES,,,11 of them.//

As for SEP 11,now take a look at this,dont the US govermetn as a whole and the US citizens as a whole genrealize that since most of the "hijackers" are saudi ,then all saudi are wrong?
Does not the US gov and Isreal bomb civllion JUST EBCASEU THEY ARE THERE?
So genealisation goes both way,but for this case,the AMBASSAODORS WENT TO ASK FOR The COUTNRIES LEADERS OPINION and FEEDBACK...

Unless of course you are saying that the 11 ambassoadors should just ahve talked to a paper directly,,,

And as for aliyah,pray tell,how can it be illegal IF YOU ARE NEVER GOIDN BACK TO IRAN?News has been reported many times that Jews in iran can travel anywhere they like and that Jews are given direct citizenship when they touch on Israel..

so why do they fear Iran? Once they leave it they will never go back..

Of course that is not the case with most Jews who hold dual citenship,most dotn ever relinquish their other citizenship..right...


As for the word "OBVIOUS" truth is simple....how many jews were massacared and to what extent was the torture?
How many jews betrayed their own so that they can be saved?

these are not propaganda but unbased truth,you do not know how many have died...1 million,2 million,,,500 000 thousand?...any number is given...and any number is accepted becasue NO ONE KNOWS..

Unless of course youc an come up with all the supposedly 6 million names of jews who died in the holocasut?and in which camp and their biodata...

 

[Zulkiflim]

I'm confused. If this was supposed to be a challange to the Danes. how come it is nothing that the average Dane would take as personaly offensive. If it is to gain anti-Israel support, isn't it targeted at the wrong people.

Propaganda or publicity wise, I do not think this plan was well thought out.

Looks like a lot of noise, that will have no results anywhere in the world.

Salaam,

the itnention of the drawing is to mock the western freedom of expression.

Not to any one coutnry,but the danes did use it ie freedom of expressiona nd was supoprted by many of the western countries.

with the same reasoning...

so within the same context is it not right to do this?

Freedom of expression,.,your is important or mine
If you are offedned,,why..should i care?
If i am offedned,should you care?