Hearing the Gospel

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Maybe he means he isn't one now...?

lol..yea..

 

[Woodrow]

What do you mean when you say you were once a Christian?

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It means I reverted to Islam in March of 2005


Christianity introduced me to Jesus(as) and Islam Taught me to love him in the Truth. I loved Jesus(as) as A Christian and still do. But it was in Islam that I was truly Reborn. I love Jesus(as) with truth and no longer worship him from error.

EDIT: I did not go directly from Christianity to Islam, I searched for the truth. I was born and Raised Christian, was very devout for over 20 years, then started seeing the Errors in the Bible. I then felt if Christianity was false all religions probaly were. For the next 40 years I called my self a Buddhist but was actually more agnostic. Finaly last year I experienced a rebirth said the Shahadah to Allah(swt) and was reborn as the Muslim I was first born as.

 

[north_malaysian]

Nope ... nobody ever preach Christianity or read gospel to me ... because it's illegal to preach other religions to Muslims in Malaysia.

 

[Woodrow]

Nope ... nobody ever preach Christianity or read gospel to me ... because it's illegal to preach other religions to Muslims in Malaysia.

Sometimes I think it would be a good Idea if they were allowed to openly preach to Muslims. Here in the US very many Muslims are reverts from Christianity and many of them reverted to Islam when they began preaching Christianity to Muslims.

From my observations Christians trying to convert Muslims are more likely to become Muslims then for the Muslims to convert. But that is just my limited personal experience.

 

[north_malaysian]

Sometimes I think it would be a good Idea if they were allowed to openly preach to Muslims. Here in the US very many Muslims are reverts from Christianity and many of them reverted to Islam when they began preaching Christianity to Muslims.

From my observations Christians trying to convert Muslims are more likely to become Muslims then for the Muslims to convert. But that is just my limited personal experience.

I have no problem with it.... BUT GREAT MAJORITY of Muslims support to illegalize propagation of any religions among Muslim (any religions include Shia, Qadiani too)

 

[dougmusr]

EDIT: I did not go directly from Christianity to Islam, I searched for the truth. I was born and Raised Christian, was very devout for over 20 years, then started seeing the Errors in the Bible. I then felt if Christianity was false all religions probaly were. For the next 40 years I called my self a Buddhist but was actually more agnostic. Finaly last year I experienced a rebirth said the Shahadah to Allah(swt) and was reborn as the Muslim I was first born as.

The reason why I asked the question is I wanted to know if you converted to Christianity or were raised in it. I believe that a person is not born a Christian, or a Muslim for that matter. Both must be a conversion. That is why Jesus told Nicodemus:

Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.". Pardon my ignorance, but I suspect the Shahadah is the declaration that "there is no God but Allah, and Muhammed is His Messenger". Before you became a Muslim, did you ever specifically ask Christ to be your Lord and Savior, or did you just assume it was so because you were raised in it?

 

[dougmusr]

Nope ... nobody ever preach Christianity or read gospel to me ... because it's illegal to preach other religions to Muslims in Malaysia.

In Malaysia, what would happen to a Muslim that converted to Christianity?

 

[north_malaysian]

In Malaysia, what would happen to a Muslim that converted to Christianity?

A Muslim who wants to convert to other religion, has to obtain an order from Shariah Court in order to leave Islam. After being examined and satisfied with apostacy of the Muslim, the Shariah court will give an order announcing the person to be no longer a Muslim.

But the main opposition for ex-Muslims to be declared as Christian, Hindu etc. comes from the Muslim community ... not from the authority....

So, presently if a Muslim convert to other religion ... he/she will be disowned by the family, relatives, community etc. Usually they will migrate to other cities or states.... where people dont know their previous religious background.

Ex-Muslims also would loose their 'Malay' status, because under Malaysian Constitution only Muslims can be Malays.....

 

[dougmusr]

A Muslim who wants to convert to other religion, has to obtain an order from Shariah Court in order to leave Islam. After being examined and satisfied with apostacy of the Muslim, the Shariah court will give an order announcing the person to be no longer a Muslim.

But the main opposition for ex-Muslims to be declared as Christian, Hindu etc. comes from the Muslim community ... not from the authority....

So, presently if a Muslim convert to other religion ... he/she will be disowned by the family, relatives, community etc. Usually they will migrate to other cities or states.... where people dont know their previous religious background.

Ex-Muslims also would loose their 'Malay' status, because under Malaysian Constitution only Muslims can be Malays.....

Perhaps that's why Christ said:

Mat 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; 36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 "He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

 

[north_malaysian]

Perhaps that's why Christ said:

Mat 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; 36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 "He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

I dont think Jesus said that!!! Sorry ... my heart is CLOSED for your evangelistic movement here!!!kay:

 

[Woodrow]

The reason why I asked the question is I wanted to know if you converted to Christianity or were raised in it. I believe that a person is not born a Christian, or a Muslim for that matter. Both must be a conversion. That is why Jesus told Nicodemus:

Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.". Pardon my ignorance, but I suspect the Shahadah is the declaration that "there is no God but Allah, and Muhammed is His Messenger". Before you became a Muslim, did you ever specifically ask Christ to be your Lord and Savior, or did you just assume it was so because you were raised in it?

I had given my life to Jesus(as) and felt as if he was my personal friend and Savior. I can recall falling down in prayer and begging him to save me. Most of my prayers were prayers of gratitude for him coming into my heart. I had spent much time trying to bring people into the love and salvation of Jesus(as) I did lead some to the cross and now I regret for having led them astray.

It was in my Early twenties that I began to see some errors with the Bible. Initialy it was when I was speaking with jews and then learned how much different the first 5 books of the Bible where form the Torah when interpreted by a knowledgable Rabbi. Later I began to see the paradox of so many Bible versions and how different the messages were in each. That was when I became essentialy agnostic.

My reversion to Islam did not come as a result of any persons influence. At the time I had very little contact with any Muslims. I never had a Muslim ask me to become Muslim. Admiditaly I had a very good scholastic knowledge of Islam, but I believed the Qur'an was just a poor explanation of the Bible and of no religious significance. I did and still have a Qur'an, but I used it simply as a guide to understanding the Arabic Language.

My revision came very fast and almost instantly. A few days before saying the Shahadah I was reading the Qur'an to brush up on my Arabic. At some point I realised I was not reading it, I was feeling and understanding it, not from a scholastic view, but from the Love of Allah(SWT) I was over whelmed with a feeling of peace love and acceptance of God(SWT) I became fully aware of his justice, his infinite mercy and his most forgiving of all. I knew then that Allah(SWT) was my Savior and that Jesus(AS) like Muhammad9PBUH) was a beloved messenger. I said the Shahadah to Allah then and there. I did not even know there were any Mosques in Texas. I did not even know any Muslims in the county I lived in at that time. I went to the store the next day and met a man at the store after a short Conversation I discovered he was Muslim and told me about the Mosque in Tyler. My car was out of order. He offered to bring me to Jummah on Friday. I did so and Just before Jummah I repeated the Shahadh before the Imaan and my brothers.

 

[north_malaysian]

Initialy it was when I was speaking with jews and then learned how much different the first 5 books of the Bible where form the Torah when interpreted by a knowledgable Rabbi.

A Jew told me that, OT in the Bible is not Torah!

I never had a Muslim ask me to become Muslim.

And I never ask any Non Muslim to be a Muslim.

 

[syilla]

asking people to be a muslim is a different thing..

telling the people...how great islam is...is another thing.

 

[Woodrow]

asking people to be a muslim is a different thing..

telling the people...how great islam is...is another thing.

True, letting them know what it is and making their own choice is the best way. we can not decide for them.

 

[dougmusr]

True, letting them know what it is and making their own choice is the best way. we can not decide for them.

That's evangelism. Share the truth and let God work.

 

[Woodrow]

That's evangelism. Share the truth and let God work.

I agree with that. It would be nice if some (not all) so called evangelists would follow that simple rule. Would show true concern and not be an excuse for arguement. We can all disagree, but we can disagree with respect and state what we believe without demeaning or insulting each other. Examples send a louder message than loudspeakers do.

 

[north_malaysian]

I agree with that. It would be nice if some (not all) so called evangelists would follow that simple rule. Would show true concern and not be an excuse for arguement. We can all disagree, but we can disagree with respect and state what we believe without demeaning or insulting each other. Examples send a louder message than loudspeakers do.

Can someone elaborate 'evangelism'? If Muslim using the same method would it be called 'koranism'?:?

 

[Woodrow]

Can someone elaborate 'evangelism'? If Muslim using the same method would it be called 'koranism'?:?

Evangelism is often misused. As many people use it it comes to be a forcible spread of ones religious beliefs through fear and intimidation. Dougmusr stated that to him Evangelism would be to just be saying the truth and let that in itself be sufficient. I can agree with him that is the way it should be.

If the word evangelism were properly used and understood it would apply to any person who is trying to spread the truth. Because the word is often misused it is best for us Muslims to just stick with what we call Da'wah. Evangelism should be Da'wah, but often the meaning comes out to be much different and some meanings can be offensive.

 

[syilla]

jazakallah khayr for the information brother woodrow...

 

[glo]

Can someone elaborate 'evangelism'? If Muslim using the same method would it be called 'koranism'?:?

This is what I found:

Evangelism is the proclaiming of the Christian Gospel or, by extension, any other form of preaching or proselytizing.[...]The word evangelist comes from the Koine Greek word ευαγγελιον (transcribed as "euangelion") via Latin "Evangelium", as used in the canonic titles of the four Gospels, and thus The Evangelists are the authors of the four Gospels -- traditionally known as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (also known as the Four Evangelists). The Greek word ευαγγελιον originally meant a reward for good news given to the messenger (ευ = "good", αγγελλω = "I bring a message"; the word angel is of the same root) and later "good news". The latter term gives rise to the word "Gospel".(wikipedia)

is proclaiming the gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ to the lost. Evangelism is extremely important for this is God's means of bringing the saving gospel of Jesus Christ to lost sinners. Note the emphasis placed upon this by Jesus Himself as He closed out His earthly ministry: Matt 28:18-20; Mark 16:15; Luke 24:46-48; Acts 1:8. Note also the words of Paul in this regard: Rom 10:13-17; 2 Cor 5:18-20.
(www.calvarychapel.com/redbarn/terms.htm)

Zealous preaching and dissemination of the gospel, as through missionary work.(www.dictionary.com)

In a more secular sense, evangelism is also used for any area of interest a person may feel strongly about, wanting to share it with people around them.
For example, I have a friend who is a 'evangelical cyclist' - his passion for cycling and all the benefits invloved with it is so great, that he never tires of telling people about it! lol

Actually, that reflects my personal stand on evangelising. If you love something so much, and are convinced of it's truth and benefits so much - don't you want to share it with others? That's certainly why I love to talk about my faith and how it affects my life.
I know Muslims do too, because I see it in this forum.

Peace.