Islam among Native Americans (LONG HISTORY)

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Woodrow said:
It also can be a good thing to know where our Brothers and Sisters are. We all want a strong Ummah and most of us don't even know where we are. I was surprised to see that the 1995 Estimate for America was over 9 million. I was under the impression it was about 5 million.

It is good to know that there are that many here and out of that number how few have ever had trouble with the law.
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who knows that there might be Muslims in Greenland, North Korea .... and Amazon jungles.... LET START COUNTING NOW.....:happy:
 
Taqiyah said:
salaamz

Interesting!
it is strange coz whenever I think of Native Americans I think of human sacrifices,renewal ceremonies,shamans,gods of war...lol that is scary.

good to know they had some muslims in'em:D
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We are just now appreciating how civilized the Native Americans are. They have been treated bad by history. Many people do not know that the American Indians did not practice scalping until the British introduced it as a means to pay mercenaries that fought for the British. War fare among the Various native nations was virtually unknown. There were well established governments. Much of what was thought of as pagan worship was a means of keeping historical records. The best examples were the totem poles of the North west. They were believed to be idols, but in reality each was a family history and the summation of them was the history of individual villages. Much history was lost when the missonaries destroyed them as Idols.

Keep in mind there were no work animals for labor the horse was brought in by the Spanish. Yet by pure foot labor Trade was established among all the nations from the southernmost point in south America to the Northern most parts of canada and it was all done on foot.
 
north_malaysian said:
who knows that there might be Muslims in Greenland, North Korea .... and Amazon jungles.... LET START COUNTING NOW.....:happy:
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Islam is the second largest religion in the world.....so I pretty much think Muslims r everywhere in the world.
n yeah there definetly r Muslims in North Korea. but I don't know about Greenland n Amazon jungles.^o)
 
At the moment I think we have a large enough task just in reflecting on the topic. I wonder how much evidence we can find for Muslims in the Americas in precolombian times. Historicaly they came here with the earliest Spanish settlers so the history of Muslims in the Americas goes back at least 500 years. There seems to be evidence that some of the pre colombian native tribes were Muslim and the native languages seem to have had some Arabic influence.
 
I've watched the documentary that Admiral Zheng He (known as Laksamana Cheng Ho in Malaysia) might been in America earlier than Columbus... he's a Muslim and brought many Muslim Chinese with him... if it is true.... they might be Chinese Muslim influences too among the Native Americans...
 
Woodrow said:
At the moment I think we have a large enough task just in reflecting on the topic. I wonder how much evidence we can find for Muslims in the Americas in precolombian times. Historicaly they came here with the earliest Spanish settlers so the history of Muslims in the Americas goes back at least 500 years. There seems to be evidence that some of the pre colombian native tribes were Muslim and the native languages seem to have had some Arabic influence.
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The poor Mr.colombus.;D
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north_malaysian said:
I've watched the documentary that Admiral Zheng He (known as Laksamana Cheng Ho in Malaysia) might been in America earlier than Columbus... he's a Muslim and brought many Muslim Chinese with him... if it is true.... they might be Chinese Muslim influences too among the Native Americans...
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There is some reason there is so much Asiatic and Mid Eastern similarities in the cultures. Mexico is actually the country with the most and the largest Pyramids. Also the same mystry as to how they could have been made. Lots of the old Native American stories seem to have reference to Mid eastern beliefs including Islam.

I wonder if we have some Native American members who have enough knowledge of their heritage to tell us if they can relate anything.
 
Woodrow said:
There is some reason there is so much Asiatic and Mid Eastern similarities in the cultures. Mexico is actually the country with the most and the largest Pyramids. Also the same mystry as to how they could have been made. Lots of the old Native American stories seem to have reference to Mid eastern beliefs including Islam.

I wonder if we have some Native American members who have enough knowledge of their heritage to tell us if they can relate anything.
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I think most of Native Americans from North pole to Argentina ... have Asian looks...
 
Woodrow said:
There is some reason there is so much Asiatic and Mid Eastern similarities in the cultures. Mexico is actually the country with the most and the largest Pyramids. Also the same mystry as to how they could have been made. Lots of the old Native American stories seem to have reference to Mid eastern beliefs including Islam.

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and I have seen quite a few Arabic words in the Spanish language too:)
 
Taqiyah said:
and I have seen quite a few Arabic words in the Spanish language too:)
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The entire "al, el" scheme in Spanish is Arab-influenced. *moors*

And the names Omar and Selma are Arab names popular in the Spanish-speaking world.
 
Taqiyah said:
and I have seen quite a few Arabic words in the Spanish language too:)
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True and some of them have passed on into the Mexican Spanish spoken among many Mexicans. However many of the American Indian languages predate the arrival of the Spaniiards, and they still seem to have some Arabic influence, in particular the Languages found along the Eastern Coast. the clothing of the Eastern Coast American Indians also has a strong resemblance to what is found among Mid Eastern Muslims. Especialy the Turban type head pieces worn by the men of several tribes.

Also the Eastern tribes do not have as much Asiatic features as the Far West, North and South have. They seem to be more Mid eastern in appearance.
 
Woodrow said:
True and some of them have passed on into the Mexican Spanish spoken among many Mexicans. However many of the American Indian languages predate the arrival of the Spaniiards, and they still seem to have some Arabic influence, in particular the Languages found along the Eastern Coast. the clothing of the Eastern Coast American Indians also has a strong resemblance to what is found among Mid Eastern Muslims. Especialy the Turban type head pieces worn by the men of several tribes.

Also the Eastern tribes do not have as much Asiatic features as the Far West, North and South have. They seem to be more Mid eastern in appearance.
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more articles or sources for this important issue needed....:)
 
north_malaysian said:
more articles or sources for this important issue needed....:)
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Here is a painting of the Shawnee Chief Tecumseh:

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Source: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/tecumseh/tecumseh.html

Here is a painting of the Cherokee Chief Sequoyah

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Source: http://ngeorgia.com/people/sequoyah.html



Typical Creek Indian

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source: http://www.rhus.com/Creeks.html
 
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wow the feathers....

what is the significant of the feathers?
 
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I decided to look to see what the sarcens headware typicaly looked like.

Sure looks like something Sequoyah would have worn.


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The best picture I could find was that one from an English Inn
 
syilla said:
wow the feathers....

what is the significant of the feathers?
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Among the American Indians the Feathers had different meanings the only one I know for fairly certain is the Eagle feathers signified bravery as they had to climb up to an Eagles nest and pull the feather from a live eagle.
 
As a Native American, member of the Kiowa Tribe, I can honestly say there is no evidence of any Muslim influence in the Americas. There have been many theories about some race or another having contact with the Americas in the time before Columbus, but again, all of that is basically speculation.
As for the eagle feather, Woodrow was correct in that it signified bravery. Unlike what you see on old cowboy/indian movies in the states, only the elders and accomplished war chiefs wore the large headress filled with feathers. It was a sign of rank and respect. Most warriors only wore the single eagle feather, a stuffed bird, ornaments of bone, etc. For example, Crazy Horse wore a single eagle feather, a pebble in his ear, and his facepaint, nothing too extravagant.
 

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