If we are all theists, why are we following secular laws??

[QuranStudy]

You will never know what you are missing if you stay in your little box.

I wanted to live in Dubai, but came to realize that it's loaded with foreigners. Fornication is rampant. The sheikh needs to be eliminated and peace and order needs to sustain. Humans today have degraded to beasts. It's not even funny anymore. The worst must be ruled by the pious and humble.

 

[therebbe]

Prolly since white (assuming you're white) people make up less than .0001% of their population.

Are you saying that the lack of "Whites" is the reason that he enjoyed Japan?

The sheikh

What is Sheikh?

 

[QuranStudy]

You will never know what you are missing if you stay in your little box.

I have visited many places myself (mostly Europe). I felt like I lived with savages. You can see ****s on the streets!

 

[Jayda]

the japanese were really nice when i went to tokyo

 

[QuranStudy]

What is Sheikh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayed_bin_Sultan_Al_Nahyan (for example)

Sheikh Zayed's critics point to the vast sums of the state's wealth that he accumulated for himself and his family, significantly dwarfing the amounts channeled to charitable contributions. Furthermore, that this was not his own wealth that he was distributing, but the nation's. One of his weddings landed in the Guinness Book of Records for being the most expensive in the world. Some of his charitable acts included adopting hundreds of orphans and building several hospitals both in the UAE and abroad (in Europe, Asia, and Africa). Zayed's supporters maintain that much of his charitable work went unadvertised, and was merely known through popular word-of-mouth, though state-friendly media enthusiastically publicized his philanthropy.

 

[Jayda]

what a good guy!

 

[therebbe]

Wait... So you say the big charity giver needs to be eliminated quranstudy?

 

[QuranStudy]

Wait... So you say the big charity giver needs to be eliminated quranstudy?

I am saying the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. That is un-Islamic. He is exploiting is people at the expense of an extravagant life. Did you ever see the guys's house??

 

[wilberhum]

I have visited many places myself (mostly Europe). I felt like I lived with savages. You can see ****s on the streets!

Savages? :hiding: Your box just keeps getting smaller. Any one who thinks different than you is a savage. :giggling:

 

[therebbe]

Any one who thinks different than you is a savage.

Like those Native Americans! LOL>

 

[wilberhum]

Like those Native Americans! LOL>

Native Americans are the worst savages. :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
That's why I married one. :hiding: :hiding: Well anyway she is part Native American. ;D ;D

 

[wilberhum]

I wanted to live in Dubai, but came to realize that it's loaded with foreigners. Fornication is rampant. The sheikh needs to be eliminated and peace and order needs to sustain. Humans today have degraded to beasts. It's not even funny anymore. The worst must be ruled by the pious and humble.

You wanted to live there. But did you ever go there? If you open your mind, you might really like it. Every place is loaded with foreigners and fornication is rampant every where. There is always someone that should be eliminated. I don't think there is any place that is ruled by the pious and humble. Utopia just does not exist. Get out in the wold, live a little. You judge every thing so harshly. Lighten up, practice tollorance, open your mind, life will only be as good as you let it.

 

[Skillganon]

Guiyz, can we keep the topic on focus. The Thread has a valid point, i.e.
"If we are all theists, why are we following secular laws??"

can I hear some thought provoking discussion?

 

[wilberhum]

Guiyz, can we keep the topic on focus. The Thread has a valid point, i.e.
"If we are all theists, why are we following secular laws??"

can I hear some thought provoking discussion?

I think the valid point is that it is not a valid point. When the world was devided by religion, it didn't work. Now that the world is less devided by religion, it dosen't work. Segration is a problem, not a solution.

 

[Skillganon]

I think the valid point is that it is not a valid point. When the world was devided by religion, it didn't work. Now that the world is less devided by religion, it dosen't work. Segration is a problem, not a solution.

Better.

Anyway I got a dictionary definition of the word secular to give help.

1. secular:

adjective
not having any connection with religion:
We live in an increasingly secular society, in which religion has less and less influence on our daily lives.
secular education
a secular state.

2. secularism
noun
the belief that religion should not be involved with the ordinary social and political activities of a country

 

[Woodrow]

In my opinion The only way Religious law would work is if all the inhabitants of the country were of the same religion and they all practiced it in the same manner. They also would not want immigrants of another religion nor would they encourage visitors of another religion.

That would be fine if every nation was 100% self sufficient and no intermingling of cultures was desired.

If each country was a totaly seperate religion and each imposed religous law, it would pretty well end international trade.

Therefore the only way true religious law could work is if every person on earth was of the same religon and all people practiced it in the same manner.

Without true religous law the only practical solution is secular law.

So my answer to the topic question is we follow secular because not everybody follows the same religious beliefs. A flaw in the topic title is the assumption that all people are theist. The truth is polytheism, animism, agnostics and atheists probably out number theists at this point.

 

[Skillganon]

In my opinion The only way Religious law would work is if all the inhabitants of the country were of the same religion and they all practiced it in the same manner. They also would not want immigrants of another religion nor would they encourage visitors of another religion.

That would be fine if every nation was 100% self sufficient and no intermingling of cultures was desired.

If each country was a totaly seperate religion and each imposed religous law, it would pretty well end international trade.

Therefore the only way true religious law could work is if every person on earth was of the same religon and all people practiced it in the same manner.

Without true religous law the only practical solution is secular law.

So my answer to the topic question is we follow secular because not everybody follows the same religious beliefs. A flaw in the topic title is the assumption that all people are theist. The truth is polytheism, animism, agnostics and atheists probably out number theists at this point.

How did it work in the early Islam-History?

 

[QuranStudy]

I think the valid point is that it is not a valid point. When the world was devided by religion, it didn't work.

When was the world purely divided by religion?? There were atheists in non-atheist regions. Pope then were genocidal maniacs. Things have changed.

 

[Joe98]

....all countries can impose their laws based on their holy scripture.

But other religions don't want to do that, only Islam wants to do that.

 

[QuranStudy]

But other religions don't want to do that, only Islam wants to do that.

Other countries want to impose their own beliefs in Muslim countries. By force.