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therebbe said:
China is not exactly friendly to any religious dominated state being communist. I doubt either would sell Iran anything serious they have.
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Russia attends OIC conference as an observer (Putin himself came when KL was the host), sends Quran reciter to Malaysia's International Quranic Recitation Competition every year - that shows Russia wants to be close with Muslim nations as allies.

Chinese government is amicable with the Huis (Chinese speaking Muslims), many Chinese say this ... and also have good relationship with Muslim nations.

I think North Korea has more threats to China and Russia rather than Iran.
 
QuranStudy said:
Can engineers in enemy states make copies of F16s or makes similar planes??
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The question is why would anybody want to? The F-16 is now verging on obselete, certainly without the state-of-the-art avionics only available from the US. Buying in Russian planes would be a much easier and smarter policy. None are anything other than cannon fodder to the US Raptor or even European Typhoon (which has been sold to the Saudis, incidently).
 
Bottom line. Against the U.S. and Israel, If you fly, you die. It's that simple. No country can come close to these two countries hardware or pilots. Period.
 
brainiac said:
Bottom line. Against the U.S. and Israel, If you fly, you die. It's that simple. No country can come close to these two countries hardware or pilots. Period.
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Salaam,

Is planes that make a war won..wonder whta is happeing in Iraq and Afghan..

Or in lebanon.,.your planes cannot fly wihout bases and Inshallah,the Muslim coutnries hould not be hyprocrite and not aid these kafirs in murder of muslim..
 
Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

Is planes that make a war won..wonder whta is happeing in Iraq and Afghan..

Or in lebanon.,.your planes cannot fly wihout bases and Inshallah,the Muslim coutnries hould not be hyprocrite and not aid these kafirs in murder of muslim..
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Here is just one base:

Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar
25°06'57"N 51°18'55"E
As of September 2002 about 2,000 American soldiers were stationed at Al Udeid, down from a peak of 4,000 during the war in Afghanistan. The United States kept two dozen KC-135 Stratotankers and KC-10A Extenders at the base for in-flight refueling of fighter jets and bombers over Afghanistan. And though the number of American soldiers on the base had fallen by half since the peak of the Afghan campaign, to about 2,200, the base had been expanded over the previous six months to accommodate up to 10,000 troops and 120 aircraft.

Qatar agreed to host pre-positioned equipment for an Army brigade, and in 1996 it hosted an air expeditionary force consisting of 30 fighters and four tankers. Air Force pre-positioning was facilitated by the construction of what may be the premier air base in the Gulf at Al-Udeid. The Qatari philosophy behind construction was likened to "build it and they will come" -- obtain the best defense by providing the best facilities for US and coalition forces. The Al-Udeid Air Base was built at a cost of more than a billion dollars. Its runway measures 15,000 long -- the longest in the Gulf. The facility's shelters can accommodate nearly a hundred aircraft, rather more than needed by the Qatari Air Force, which has only a dozen fighters. The facility is owned and operated by the Qatari armed forces.

In 1999, Qatar's emir, Sheikh Hamad, reportedly told US officials that he would like to see as many as 10,000 US servicemen permanently stationed at Al Udeid.
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Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/udeid.htm

there are quite a few American Bases in Mid Eastern countries. Several in Saudi Alone. At least one in Turkey, used to be 3 in Morocco. Several US navy ports Through out the countries that border The mediterranian.

Here are just the USAF bases in the Persian Gulf Region alone.

Ahmed Al Jaber AB KW
Ali Al Salem AB KW
Al Dhafra AB UAE
Dhahran AB SA
Doha IAP QA
Eskan Village SA
Fujairah IAP UAE
Jeddah AB SA
Khamis Mushayt AB SA
Khobar Towers SA
King Khalid Military City SA
Kuwait IAP KW
Masirah OM
Al Musnana AB OM
Muharraq BH
Prince Sultan AB SA
Riyadh AB SA
Seeb AB OM
Shaheed Mwaffaq AB JO
Shaikh Isa AB BH
Thumrait AB OM
Tabuk AB SA
Taif AB SA
Al Udeid AB QA

All US military bases in the Mideast:

contingency use of ports and airfields throughout the AOR. These infrastructure sites have been identified to assure U.S. access to enable the projection and sustainment of forces within the AOR.

Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP) uses a team approach to provide services for which the Army no longer has organic resources. Contractors are brought in to augment troops during wartime to provide food, laundry, shower, latrine and power generation services, including the set-up and maintenance of base camps in places like Djibouti, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Jordan and more recently in Kuwait, UAE and Iraq. With contractors providing these basic services, the Army can concentrate on what it does best.



Bahrain
Iraq
Kuwait
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Egypt
Israel
Jordan
Yemen
Djibouti
Ethiopia
Kenya
Afghanistan
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Pakistan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan

Army Navy Air Force USMTM / OPM
Primary Deployment Facilities
Camp Arifjan, KW
Camp Doha, KW
Kabal, KW

Eskan Village, SA

El Gorah, EG
Sharm el Sheikh, EG
Tiran Island, EG
Manama, BH
Diego Garcia BIOT
Camp Commando, KW


Doha IAP, QA
Hurghada, EG
Jeddah AB, SA
Masirah AB, OM
Muharraq, BH
Ahmed Al Jaber AB, KW
Ali Al Salem AB, KW
Al Dhafra AB, UAE
Eskan Village, SA
Khobar Towers, SA
Masirah, OM
Al Musnana AB, OM
Prince Sultan AB, SA
Seeb AB, OM
Shaikh Isa AB, BH
Thumrait AB, OM
Al Udeid AB, QA
Logistics Facilities
Camp As Sayliyah QA
Camp Doha, KW
Camp Snoopy, QA
Site 51, IS
Site 53, IS
Site 54, IS

Dammam, SA
Falcon-78 ASP, QA
Doha, QA
Jeddah, SA
Jubail, SA
Mina Qabus, OM
Mina Salman, BH
Mombassa, KY
Salalah, OM
Umm Said, QA
Yanbu, SA
Aden, YE
Aqaba, JO
Djibouti, DJ
Doha, QA
Fujairah, UAE
Hurghada, EG
Jebel Ali, UAE
Jeddah, SA
Mina Al Ahmadi, KW
Mina Qabus, OM
Mina Salman, BH
Mina Zayed, UAE
Mombassa, KE
Port Said, EG
Port of Suez, EG
Fujairah IAP, UAE
Kuwait IAP, KW
Manama, BH
Masirah, OM
Seeb AB, OM
Thumrait AB, OM
Al Udeid AB, QA
Training Facilities
Mubarak Military City, EG
Udairi Range, KW
Beni Suef AB, EG
Cairo West AB, EG
Shaheed Mwaffaq AB, JO
Dammam, SA
Dhahran AB, SA
Hofuf, SA
Jeddah, SA
Khamis Mushayt AB, SA
King Khalid Military City, SA
Riyadh AB, SA
Taif AB, SA
Tabuk AB, SA

Operation ENDURING FREEDOM Contingency Sites
Bagram, AF
Chirchik, UZ
Dalbandin, PK
Dushanbe, TK
FOB Salerno, AF
Jacobabad, PK
Khanabad, UZ
Kandahar, AF
Khost, AF
Khujand, TK
Kulyab, TK
Kurgan-Tyube, TK
Manas, KZ
Lwara, AF
Mazar-e Sharif, AF
Pasni, PK
Pul-i-Kandahar, AF
Shamsi, PK
Tuzel, UZ

Chitral, PK
Osh, KZ
Peshawar, PK
Almaty, KZ
Bagram, AF
Chirchik, UZ
Dalbandin, PK
Dushanbe, TK
Jacobabad, PK
Khanabad, UZ
Kandahar, AF
Khujand, TK
Kulyab, TK
Kurgan-Tyube, TK
Manas, KZ
Mazar-e Sharif, AF
Pasni, PK
Shamsi, PK
Tuzel, UZ

Chitral, PK
Osh, KZ
Peshawar, PK
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Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/centcom.htm
 
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Salaam,

thanks for that info and people wonder is the US really about peace and security?

Those that build these places are trully for westen backing for they fear losing their power.

Inshallah,for what ever they fear and what ever they seek in this world will come to naught.


Can you imagine if all those Islamic coutnries rejcted US aid and kicked them out and demand that they eithr work for peace or leave.

Hyprocrisy and that is why the muslim ummah so weak,we depend on toehr for aid and protection.And when those we seek protection bomba nd murder us what do we do??

WE BEG for more aid..we beg for understanding..

Inshallah,the price to be apid will be large but the rewards greater.
 
For the sake of the Ummah and the security of the mid-east it is essential that the Islamic countries establish an economy that is not dependant on oil. I believe that has been a missused gift. The oil rich Mid-eastern countries, had a product of great weath. but, they did not market it themselves. They were satisfied to have foreign investors buy it from them, come into their countries drill for it, build up the market. As a result they ended up with an economy based on the production and work of foreigners. Now they have great wealth, but the wealth is nearly 100% dependent on the presense of foreign investors. It is ironic that some of the countries with the most oil have to import gasoline, because few refineries were built to make it. The interest was to produce as much raw petroleum at the lowest production cost possible.

Some of the leaders in those countries are aware that the oil based economy is in it's final days. What will happen when there is no more oil to sell or trade? That day is in the very near future. Those countries have placed so much interest in the easy wealth that they have neglected to develop their own resources for the production of food and other necessities and as a result have become dependent on buying their needs from Western countries.

Many of those countries only have money, and it is of no use except to buy products from Western companies. Syria is possibly the only mideastern country that has even thought of using some resources to produce food. Many have now been backed into a corner were to uphold their own economy they need to lease out land to foreign military basis.

It is a mistake to use the gifts from Allah(swt) to try to achieve an easy, carefree secular life style, instead of using those gifts to share in the love of Allah(swt)

Oil has made a temporary easy life for many Mideasterners, but has made a very difficult road for their children to follow. It was a path of enjoy today for their own pleasures, but leave the children with no future.

When the oil ends it if they are not prepared it will mean either starvation or go the way of the Western world.

Iran saw that path and new that the future looks bleak. Now they need to find land they can dominate and use for food production. Iraq was one area they often looked at. At one time Iraq was a food producing nation. It would not surprise me if perhaps that is why they have eyes on Jordan, Lebannon, Syria, Palestine and Israel. that little cluster of countries, if used for food production could easily become the bread basket of the Mid-East. Food is of much greater value than oil.

That raises the Question, is Iran seeking military strength for self protection, or do they have eyes on Mid-East domination? That is a question that needs to be thought about and answered.
 
The report said the bomber Saegheh is similar to the American F-18 fighter plane, but "more powerful." It also said the plane was "designed, optimized and improved by Iranian experts."
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I'm a bit of a plane buff myself (boys and their toys :) ). It's little more than an improved F-4 with minor structural changes. 15 years of home-grown 'improvement' and this is what they come up with?

It's a 50s design with some new tail fins. Oh dear.
 
brainiac said:
Aerosmith said it best. 'Dream on, dream on, dream until your dream comes true...' :giggling:
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Salaam,

Yes it is a dream but everyone will wake up one day,
as we rise at day break so we will all die on one day ,and on that day no matter what we do we will be judged for our deeds.
 
brainiac said:
Let's not forget the U.S. carrier forces. :giggling:
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Salaam,

Like i say,shuld the Islamic coutnries reject US aid and do not allow US airplanes to invade their territorial space,what then can the US do?

Nothing.

But now our leaders are there in bed with muslim murderers and say IT IS RIGHT.

Inshallah,their time will come and so will ours.
 
hongi said:
I'm a bit of a plane buff myself (boys and their toys :) ). It's little more than an improved F-4 with minor structural changes. 15 years of home-grown 'improvement' and this is what they come up with?

It's a 50s design with some new tail fins. Oh dear.
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Salaam,

hmm did not see the picture myself,but minor chages to the areo dynamics of a plane can increase its ifficacy.


such modification is not done off hand but greatly invested with scietific data if not the airpalnes will just plow thru the sky and then drop flat.

as for the otehr chages ,there are no detials..

But agian,alhamdulilah,the Iranian are learnign to build by themselves and desing,Inshallah,they have the capability of self defence.
 
The report said the bomber Saegheh is similar to the American F-18 fighter plane, but "more powerful." It also said the plane was "designed, optimized and improved by Iranian experts."
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Hahaha, more powerful ? In what way? It have more Horse Power? What a joke !
 
guyabano said:
Hahaha, more powerful ? In what way? It have more Horse Power? What a joke !
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Salaam,

I think that the kafir are fearful that a muslim coutnry can do such thing.

They desire to eitther scoff or disbelief and raise scorn.

If IRan is just using "marketing language" as a discourse towards the current threat of sanction and US invasive attitude,then it is a political propaganda.

The simple fact is that the scoffer and haters just cannot accept the idea of a techonologically advanced coutnry...for if they do then they MUSt talk in equal terms....

That is unacceptable for th kafirs..
 
Zulkiflim said:
The simple fact is that the scoffer and haters just cannot accept the idea of a techonologically advanced coutnry...for if they do then they MUSt talk in equal terms....

That is unacceptable for th kafirs..
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I've no idea whether the plane is more "powerful" (by which I assume they do mean engine thrust) than an F-18 or not, there's no reason why it shouldn't be. No reason it couldn't have a bigger weapons load, either.

The real "simple fact" though is that when it comes to military combat aircraft there is only one "technologically advanced country", the United States. It has nothing to do with the numbers of researchers and engineers or their intellect (let alone their religion) but does have everything to do with money. The US are not only the only country who can afford to develop truly modern fighters, they are also the only country that can afford to build them. The F-22 is a quantum leap forward in fighter design, that can (and if required, will) shoot down anything else in the sky, 95% of the time without the victim even knowing they were there. But no other country can afford to buy them, or develop anything that could compete with them. "Equal terms" just 'ain't going to happen.
 

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