Christians should see Muslims as 'allies'

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wilberhum said:
But you still have the same problem. There are a thousand different versions of what is "God's will for their lives". How do you make them into laws. Do you have different laws for each religion? Well that won't work because each religion has different sects with different rules. Combining church and state an only be done if you select a state religion. Any place that has a state religion, in my openion, would be horrable for anyone not belonging to the state religion. I want a place that is good for everyone.
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But how can you see the secular state as good for everyone when it doesn't alow a religious party to be elected by a majority of the people? Don't you see that that goes against the principles of democracy?
 
Well in the secular country Turkey for example, there the army has stepped in several times to stop a democratic elected party because it was to religious. I brought this up several posts ago.
 
steve said:
Well in the secular country Turkey for example, there the army has stepped in several times to stop a democratic elected party because it was to religious. I brought this up several posts ago.
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What! Are you going to tell me that all secular countries are not perfect? You have to be kidding me. You can't be serious.
We should all instute a wonderfull government like Iran. :giggling: :giggling:
 
wilberhum said:
What! Are you going to tell me that all secular countries are not perfect? You have to be kidding me. You can't be serious.
We should all instute a wonderfull government like Iran. :giggling: :giggling:
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:uuh: I don't know what your idea of perfect is but I know we got a long way to go before any country becomes perfect
 
WnbSlveOfAllah said:
:uuh: I don't know what your idea of perfect is but I know we got a long way to go before any country becomes perfect
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That is the irony in my statement. As long as people are running a government, perfection will not be obtained. The concept of a perfect government is just that, a concept. Has never happened, is not happening, and will never happen.
 
wilberhum said:
But you still have the same problem. There are a thousand different versions of what is "God's will for their lives". How do you make them into laws. Do you have different laws for each religion? Well that won't work because each religion has different sects with different rules. Combining church and state an only be done if you select a state religion. Any place that has a state religion, in my openion, would be horrable for anyone not belonging to the state religion. I want a place that is good for everyone.
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I never advocated combining state and religion. Neither do I think that's what my originally posted article is trying to advocate.
My entire post (#30) was about demonstrating that.

I want a place that's good for everyone too.

peace :)
 
glo said:
I never advocated combining state and religion. Neither do I think that's what my originally posted article is trying to advocate.
My entire post (#30) was about demonstrating that.

I want a place that's good for everyone too.

peace :)
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Glo,
I guess a lot of what I said is based on a statement in #30.
secularism undermines and erodes God's way
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I guess that bagges the question. Is this a problem that we just have to live with or is it a problem we need to solve?
 
glo said:
from http://www.premier.org.uk/engine.cfm?i=13&pwn=1&pnid=2498

Unfortunately, this is just a news snippet and doesn't say any more. Perhaps I'll go searching ...

Peace. :)
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Interesting, since Christianity and Islam share the simlary moral ground, (maybe not on the method.) and share so much similiar except the obviouse dogma, it is prudent that Islam and Christianity, if you really follow what you preach, has a footing to combat the thing that effects our society.

Christianity needs Islam, and Islam can co-exist with christianity.

The reason being, Just compare what christianity was more than 50 years ago, and what it is now, another 100 years or more, it is going to be further in the deep hole that has been dug.

I am sure christianity has more to offer, I am going to share with you something I read about early history of followers of Jesus bin maryam.(in the comparitive section).
It reminds the similarity between Islam (you might nor agree on it), the sheer force of the teaching of Jesus(pbuh). If you wan't to hear it, let me know, and I will open a thread.
 
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wilberhum said:
That is the irony in my statement. As long as people are running a government, perfection will not be obtained. The concept of a perfect government is just that, a concept. Has never happened, is not happening, and will never happen.
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Well quite right. Any form of power has the potential to be abused. But that doesn' mean a certain system is bad by default. Your argument works as good for secularism as it works against it. You might say that deviding powers will give the powerfull less opportunity to oppres. I could say that not allowing religious power alows the non-religious to opress the religious ones. And if you look at the west, all those antireligious laws are done in the name of secularism! So this isn't just a theory, the idea of secularism alows the people in power to opress the religious people.

Wether or not Iran is a good country is completely irrelevant. Just because there are bad alternatives doesn't make secularism good by default. I wouldn't even say that secularism is good by comparison, since there have been non-secular goverùments who were far better.
 
Question: How do Iran and non-secular Governments factor into the topic title, and should I delete all posts I deem to be off-topic? Discuss.
 
Answer: the origenal question was about wheter christians and muslims should cooperate to fight secularism. So wheter or not not secularism is something that should be fought back seems relevant to me. But then again I'm not a mod. ;)
 

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