Have we as Muslims failed Palestine?

[Inshallah]

We haven't failed and the reason being is because we never tried. You need to try before you can actually fail at something. When we rise to the occasion the question of failing palestine will be determined.

 

[north_malaysian]

Yes.. we Muslims are responsible for mess in Palestine.... we are all selfish people...

 

[Sherrif]

I believe Muslim countries surrounding Palestine would be willing should the situation be different from that which is desribed here below:

Both the West Bank and Gaza are impoverished as a result of Israel's unlawful withholding of Palestinian tax revenues and the Quartet's decision to withhold aid. Since 1994 the OPT has become heavily dependent on foreign aid. Consequently the withholding of aid, coupled with the prohibition on the transfer of money to the Palestinian Authority, its agencies and its projects, imposed by the US-controlled international banking system, in effect amount to economic sanctions. This is the first time an occupied people, whose economic welfare is supposed to be protected by the Fourth Geneva Convention, has been subjected to economic sanctions. This economic strangulation has had a severe impact on the social and economic rights of Palestinians. Over one million of Palestine's population of 3.5 million are directly affected by the non-payment of government salaries. In addition, the private sector has also suffered. Unemployment and poverty are consequently on the increase.

Israel is in violation of countless UN resolutions and refuses to comply with the 2004 Advisory Opinion of the International Court of Justice. The Quartet has taken no action against Israel and, politely, fails to even remind Israel of its obligations under the Advisory Opinion. But now it has, in effect, imposed economic sanctions - not on the Palestinian Authority - but on the Palestinian people.

It seems a little void to accuse Arab countries of not supporting Palestine as much as they are expected. They are waging their own wars against therats coming from many directions.

 

[Woodrow]

I believe Muslim countries surrounding Palestine would be willing should the situation be different from that which is desribed here below:



It seems a little void to accuse Arab countries of not supporting Palestine as much as they are expected. They are waging their own wars against therats coming from many directions.

Most of them do not seem to be aware that their greatest help for Palestine would be to stop the trade embargos they have against Palestinian products. 20 Arab nations will not allow trade with Palestine, yet they will trade with countries that Israel investors will profit from.

 

[Keltoi]

Salaam,

you read what you want to dont you,it is simple lah,In Islam when we give we do not HIGHLIGHT it for the world to know.

The west want to be known as a donor a fund raiser....but let me ask you,,to whom do the west give moeny more to ?

To arm Israel or to raise life?

the answer to arm israel..

I am very sure that moderate muslim here in this forum will never see the truth of the western hyrpocrisy,,,,Give aid to Lebanon while sending Bombs to Israel.

Quite an interesting set of statements there, especially the line about "moderate" Muslims not seeing Western "hypocrisy". Are you saying they would see the "hypocrisy" if they were extremists? If you want to talk about hypocrisy, look at all the Arab governments that use the Palestinian issue for popular support in their countries, yet nothing is really done to aid the Palestinian people, unless you count sending money to the families of suicide bombers. Yes, the U.S. and Europe give quite a bit of money to the Palestinians, or they did before the election of Hamas. Also, you should stop believing the fantasy that Israel cannot arm itself. It has a very productive arms sector.

 

[Skillganon]

It strikes me as very interesting that when it appears that Palestine can be helped with military aid we are ready to jump in. but, where were we when Palestine could have been helped economicaly. Where were we when Palestine was working to become an independant productive country. Where was our support when Palestine tries to sell it's produce and products on the open market and become self sufficient.



Source: http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=4721&CategoryId=3

I think we failed, our brothers and Sister's all over the world miserably, palestine we failed them for longer, and very badly.

 

[Woodrow]

Now that we have had discussion over how we have failed Palestine, the question is how can we help Palestine. There are steps we can take and there are things each of us can do.

Learn more about Palestine

Establish contact with Palestinians living in Palestine

Do business with Palestinian businesses


We can do those things right from our chairs without even leaving home. For the more ambitious that can afford to leave home for a week>

Olive Harvest 2006
September 10th, 2006 | Posted in Olive Harvest 2006
Your presence is needed for the Olive Harvest 2006 in Palestine!

Palestinian communities are calling for the presence of international activists to support them in the 2006 Olive Harvest. Throughout the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinian land continues to be stolen for illegal Israeli colonies and the Apartheid Wall as well as settler roads, checkpoints, and closed military zones.

Since October 2000, hundreds of thousands of olive trees have been bulldozed, uprooted, or burned by the Israeli military and Israeli settler colonists. The olive tree has been a native symbol for Palestinians for hundreds of years. As well as a source of livelihood and a symbol of the people’s bond to their land, the olive tree is also a powerful symbol of cooperation between peoples.

Cooperative actions between internationals and Palestinians have concentrated around the olive tree. Palestinian communities remain steadfast and are strengthened in refusing to give up their olive harvest. The solidarity offered by international activists enables many families to pick their olives and stay in their communities

Source: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/09/10/olive-harvest-2006/

For the less able we can support the few remaining Palestinian businesses. Even if we have no use for their products, perhaps a donation to the companies, to help them afford to stay in business. There are not many Palestinian businesses left.

Here is a link to the Palestinian businesses that are currently doing online Business.

http://www.palestine-net.com/business/list.html

We can learn more about Palestine and see the views of Palestians, direct from Palestine. Here is a good link to bring you right into Palestine.

http://www.palestine-net.com/

And finaly we can read Palestinian news as written by Palestinians in Palestine.

http://www.palestine-net.com/intifada.html

As a last touch we can show our solidarity with Palestinians.

http://www.palestine-net.com/new.html

Better yet, for those fluent in Arabic:

http://ww.palvoice.com/index.php

 

[north_malaysian]

Now that we have had discussion over how we have failed Palestine, the question is how can we help Palestine. There are steps we can take and there are things each of us can do.

Learn more about Palestine

Establish contact with Palestinians living in Palestine

Do business with Palestinian businesses


We can do those things right from our chairs without even leaving home. For the more ambitious that can afford to leave home for a week>


Source: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/09/10/olive-harvest-2006/

For the less able we can support the few remaining Palestinian businesses. Even if we have no use for their products, perhaps a donation to the companies, to help them afford to stay in business. There are not many Palestinian businesses left.

Here is a link to the Palestinian businesses that are currently doing online Business.

http://www.palestine-net.com/business/list.html

We can learn more about Palestine and see the views of Palestians, direct from Palestine. Here is a good link to bring you right into Palestine.

http://www.palestine-net.com/

And finaly we can read Palestinian news as written by Palestinians in Palestine.

http://www.palestine-net.com/intifada.html

As a last touch we can show our solidarity with Palestinians.

http://www.palestine-net.com/new.html

Better yet, for those fluent in Arabic:

http://ww.palvoice.com/index.php

Woodrow, do you know any link or source about Palestinians being direct descendants of the Canaanites?

 

[Woodrow]

Woodrow, do you know any link or source about Palestinians being direct descendants of the Canaanites?

3'rd millennium BC : The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They became urbanized and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho . They developed an alphabet. Palestine's location at the center of routes linking three continents made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3d millennium BC.

Source: http://www.palestinehistory.com/palst.htm

The more we learn about Palestinians the more we can help them. This is a jihad that needs to be fought with, knowledge, peace, cooperation and many D'uas. Not with Bullets and bombs.

 

[Woodrow]

All to often we think we see what we can do to help Palestinians and then act without knowledge. We act from the stand points of anger and ignorance and all too often our actions cause more harm than good. It is all to easy to think in terms of military power, physical Jihad and boycots. Those show active participation, but they do not bring about the desired results.

We need to listen to the experts. Educated and intelligent people who are living in Palestine and who know what will bring about true freedom for the Palestinians.. This is what they are crying out for us to do:

International participation is important for a number of reasons:

1.Protection: An international presence at Palestinian civilian actions can ensure a degree of protection for Palestinians engaged in nonviolent resistance.

2.Message to the mainstream media: The Palestinian struggle is not accurately reported by the mainstream corporate media. The mainstream media portrays Israelis and Palestinians as two equal sides who can’t live together fighting over a piece of land, instead of an Israeli military occupation and a Palestinian struggle for freedom, self-determination and human rights. People from all over the world that join us can reach out to their respective media and help dispel this notion.
Personal witness and transmitting information: International civilians joining Palestinians can bear witness and return home to talk to their communities about what is happening.

3.Break isolation and provide hope: The occupation isolates Palestinians and cuts them off from the rest of the world and from each other. International ciivilians coming in, despite restrictions, send a message to the Palestinian community - "we see, we hear and we are with you." Hope that people acting together can change things is a cornerstone of our philosophy and message.

Source: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/about-ism/

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Most of the Arab countries did fail because they waged war so many times, including once on a day that Jews regard as holiest, and they were destroyed in all the wars. (In '48, there was no big USA help of Israel).

But I believe this to be God's intervention, not Arab failure.

 

[Woodrow]

Most of the Arab countries did fail because they waged war so many times, including once on a day that Jews regard as holiest, and they were destroyed in all the wars. (In '48, there was no big USA help of Israel).

But I believe this to be God's intervention, not Arab failure.

Let us now return to the topic of how we who are Muslims have failed our Palestinian brothers and what we can do about it.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Alaikumassalam

the facts presented in this thread are heavy indeed

yet are they any more heavily weighted than any of the delusions which have come along with any of the material wealth of modern nation states?

my belief is that as time approached(s) the moments in which there will become (and in fact already have) deeds enacted that are causal to the existance of any black magic, and thereby also causal to the existance of all money, we can not help but have been loosing sight of the real worth of ourselves

many are fallen to supposing that the shaytan's money is that of real Islam.
the same problem is at fault in all the fall of Aboriginal Australia.

yet many are we also whom realise this even as it happens to us

of course we must be held as responsible in instances in which we know we could have made better results than are now apparent

sadly the same money trick that makes black skin folk hate white skin folk and white hate black; also causes that Muslims hate Jews and Jews Muslim
etc etc etc it is a trick that can only eventually undermine whomsoever actualises it by using

is there any realistic help that other Arabs could have given Palestinians which was not infected with such?

wasalam

 

[snakelegs]

Now that we have had discussion over how we have failed Palestine, the question is how can we help Palestine. There are steps we can take and there are things each of us can do.

Learn more about Palestine

Establish contact with Palestinians living in Palestine

Do business with Palestinian businesses


We can do those things right from our chairs without even leaving home. For the more ambitious that can afford to leave home for a week>



Source: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/09/10/olive-harvest-2006/

For the less able we can support the few remaining Palestinian businesses. Even if we have no use for their products, perhaps a donation to the companies, to help them afford to stay in business. There are not many Palestinian businesses left.

Here is a link to the Palestinian businesses that are currently doing online Business.

http://www.palestine-net.com/business/list.html

We can learn more about Palestine and see the views of Palestians, direct from Palestine. Here is a good link to bring you right into Palestine.

http://www.palestine-net.com/

And finaly we can read Palestinian news as written by Palestinians in Palestine.

http://www.palestine-net.com/intifada.html

As a last touch we can show our solidarity with Palestinians.

http://www.palestine-net.com/new.html

Better yet, for those fluent in Arabic:

http://ww.palvoice.com/index.php

this is an excellent thread! it might be the best thread i've seen here about the palestinians. it's the first i've seen about actually doing something constructive to support them.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

The more we learn about Palestinians the more we can help them. This is a jihad that needs to be fought with, knowledge, peace, cooperation and many D'uas. Not with Bullets and bombs.

I'm from a radically different school (and I'm apparently the only person on the planet that sees things this way). I believe in Judea, because the tribes of Benjamin and Judah still exist. I refuse to accept Israel as a reality because that land belonged to the ten tribes the Judeans fought against. They were vanquished. According to the Torah, they are the only ones who can lay an ancestral claim to the lands that were Israel. In my book, because these brothers fought against each other (destroying the divine covenant they all made with God), this was divine Justice and it would be a blasphemy for any Judean to occupy what was Israelite land. Ezra himself didn't dare to do that upon his return from Babylon and he was a master of the Laws of Moshe (Moses).

This matter involves Judean law (respectively, all the laws that govern the inheritence of land). I do not believe the descendants of the tribes of Benjamin and Judah (the current Jews) have any legal right to claim the lands of the 10 tribes of Israel and I will be making a formal challenge to that effect at the end of next month.

No bombs. No bullets. 100 percent by the Book.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Keltoi]

This matter involves Judean law (respectively, all the laws that govern the inheritence of land). I do not believe the descendants of the tribes of Benjamin and Judah (the current Jews) have any legal right to claim the lands of the 10 tribes of Israel and I will be making a formal challenge to that effect at the end of next month.

No bombs. No bullets. 100 percent by the Book.

Ninth Scribe

I'm sorry, but either you have delusions of grandeur, or you are some powerful world leader here in disguise.

 

[wilberhum]

With the latest internal fighting, looting, and burning buildings, it looks to me like the Palestinians are failing the Palestinians.

 

[north_malaysian]

With the latest internal fighting, looting, and burning buildings, it looks to me like the Palestinians are failing the Palestinians.

what's wrong with them.... we're sympathize of them .... but they dont sympathize themselves...

 

[Woodrow]

what's wrong with them.... we're sympathize of them .... but they dont sympathize themselves...

One word I think sums it up. FRUSTRATION

People that are frustrated can not see any solutions and seek immediate solutions, yet do not know where to look, so they strike out at any perceived target. It is very difficult for people to see any solutions within themselves, so the next option is to blame those who are the closest.

The solutions have many paths, none of which are immediate.

Things that need to be looked at are:

Internal development, both spiritual and material

Long term goals of developing resources

A long term government, that truly wants growth and not simple expansion

Education both Islamic and scientific

Establishment of partnerships and/or treaties with neighboring countries

It is a hard long road and it will take time and much effort on the part of the Palestinians along with support from the Ummah. But the bottom line is they will ultimatly be responsible for their own future.

 

[north_malaysian]

One word I think sums it up. FRUSTRATION

People that are frustrated can not see any solutions and seek immediate solutions, yet do not know where to look, so they strike out at any perceived target. It is very difficult for people to see any solutions within themselves, so the next option is to blame those who are the closest.

The solutions have many paths, none of which are immediate.

Things that need to be looked at are:

Internal development, both spiritual and material

Long term goals of developing resources

A long term government, that truly wants growth and not simple expansion

Education both Islamic and scientific

Establishment of partnerships and/or treaties with neighboring countries

It is a hard long road and it will take time and much effort on the part of the Palestinians along with support from the Ummah. But the bottom line is they will ultimatly be responsible for their own future.

We also frustrated for all money we donated for the Palestinians ... but they ended up killing each others....