women and the mosque

[Kamilah]

Refer to my last post! You're forming a personal opinion, and not what Allah instructs or allows! :rollseyes

personal opinion? I'm a Muslimah, Alhamdulillah I'm aware of most things regarding my faith..

"Do not prohibit women to attend prayer at mosque, but prayer at their homes is better for them” (Reported by Imam Ahmad).



Umme Humaid the wife of Abu Humaid As-Sa’adi (ra) narrates that she came to the Prophet (pbuh) and said,


“O Messenger of Allah, indeed I love to pray with you.”

He replied,

“I know that you love to pray with me, but your prayer in your bedroom is better than your prayer in your living room and your prayer in your living room is better than your prayer in your courtyard and your prayer in your courtyard is better than your prayer in your neighborhood masjid and your prayer in your masjid is better than your prayer in my masjid”.

The narrators says,

“So she gave an order and a masjid was constructed for her in the farthest and darkest corner of her house and she continued to pray there until she died.”

(Sahidh Ibn Hibban hadith no. 2214 and Shahih Ibn Khuzaimah hadith no.1689).

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

i m sure u didn’t understand the earlier post. Read again

I understood what you said! - You're saying why haev temptation put in front of you when it can be avoided in the first place. I say, why do the women have to be the ones to suffer, why not the men stay home and pray? (obviously many muslim women want the same right) or they'd be no need for this thread and the 'Attacked women thread'

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

personal opinion? I'm a Muslimah, Alhamdulillah I'm aware of most things regarding my faith..

"Do not prohibit women to attend prayer at mosque, but prayer at their homes is better for them” (Reported by Imam Ahmad).



Umme Humaid the wife of Abu Humaid As-Sa’adi (ra) narrates that she came to the Prophet (pbuh) and said,


“O Messenger of Allah, indeed I love to pray with you.”

He replied,

“I know that you love to pray with me, but your prayer in your bedroom is better than your prayer in your living room and your prayer in your living room is better than your prayer in your courtyard and your prayer in your courtyard is better than your prayer in your neighborhood masjid and your prayer in your masjid is better than your prayer in my masjid”.

The narrators says,

“So she gave an order and a masjid was constructed for her in the farthest and darkest corner of her house and she continued to pray there until she died.”

(Sahidh Ibn Hibban hadith no. 2214 and Shahih Ibn Khuzaimah hadith no.1689).

So why in other threads do they say that Allah says allow the woman access to the mosque too? Seems to sides to this and you're in favour of the opposite!

 

[Kamilah]

So why in other threads do they say that Allah says allow the woman access to the mosque too? Seems to sides to this and you're in favour of the opposite!

As a Muslimah (naturally) I want to do what benefits me the most...and what pleases Allah the most..

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-a...sking-pray-blackburn-masjid-5.html#post495561

read this thread i think you will gain a more insight to the matter.

 

[i_m_tipu]

I understood what you said! - You're saying why haev temptation put in front of you when it can be avoided in the first place. I say, why do the women have to be the ones to suffer, why not the men stay home and pray? (obviously many muslim women want the same right) or they'd be no need for this thread and the 'Attacked women thread'

Woman are suffering for not to pray in mosque :giggling:

I think woman will suffer a lot if it was obligatory for women to pray in the mosque.

read this post. don't stuck with a single point. try to expand ur thinking

Alah Almighty has made it really easy for Muslim women in terms of getting the same reward as men who pray in mosque when they (the women) pray at home.

Just because the men are required to pray in the mosque does not mean that they are getting more reward. A woman gets the same reward for her prayer at home as the reward of a man who has to travel to mosque and pray there.

Allah has made this matter easy for the women as they bear the children and usually raise them up and take care of the home. In other words they are really busy in their domestic affairs and with their children that they can pray at home so that they are not burdened too much.

Just imagine if it was obligatory for women to pray in the mosque. Im sure most women with children would complain and see going to the mosque as a burden. In this respect, this matter has been made easier for them.

However this is not to sya that they should not have the choice of praying in the mosque. If they have some spare time and they would like to pray in the mosque, that should be no problem. However they should not think that by going to the mosque they will be getting more reward, because they already get that reward when they pray at home.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Woman are suffering for not to pray in mosque :giggling:

I think woman will suffer a lot if it was obligatory for women to pray in the mosque.

Suffering in the sense they should be made to feel they are the temptation, so they should not be allowed!

They shall suffer? Some mosques allow it but you seem to disagree. So much for 'Equality'

 

[Kamilah]

why all the concern for us muslim women, we dont need pity from you. you dont understand the hadith.

we know whats best for us end of.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

why all the concern for us muslim women, we dont need pity from you. you dont understand the hadith.

we know whats best for us end of.

I'm concerned for my fellow human beings! - That is in the nature of my Religion.

 

[nishom]

Suffering in the sense they should be made to feel they are the temptation, so they should not be allowed!

They shall suffer? Some mosques allow it but you seem to disagree. So much for 'Equality'

At the end of the day it is obligatory for men to go to mosque, but not for women-PERIOD. This is mentioned in the sayings of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh.)

However, please AvarAllah Noor, do not think that Islam prohibits women from going to pray in the mosque. Look at the Islamic evidences I posted at the start of this thread.

Whether a woman wants to go to mosque or not it is up to her. However,if she does not pray in mosque and prays at home of her own choice, their is no sin on her.And she gets the same reward as the man who goes to mosque.

However if a Muslim man does not attend prayer in mosque, this is a sin.

From this we see therefore that Islam has indeed given a lot more freedom in this area to women, because it does not matter where they pray, they will still get the greatest reward.

The purpose of prayer is to seek a connection with your Lord, fulfilling your obligations and seeking God's rewards. In terms of this reward from God , therefore, it does not matter if she goes to mosque or not as she is rewarded the same.

Furthermore, at the time of the Prophet (pbuh), the women used to pray in the back rows behind the men.Islam therefore does not say that women should not pray in the mosque.

Sadly to say, many leaders of mosques and committee members are males with traditional views, and who see womens entry into the mosque as a potential cause of fitnah or evil. What nonsense! Surely itd be possible for the women to enter the mosque via a different entrance, and to be allocated a section in the mosque to pray, screened by a curtain.

PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THE ISLAMIC VIEW ON WOMEN IN THE MOSQUE TO THE PRACTISE OF MANY MOSQUES TODAY.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

However, please AvarAllah Noor, do not think that Islam prohibits women from going to pray in the mosque. Look at the Islamic evidences I posted at the start of this thread.



PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THE ISLAMIC VIEW ON WOMEN IN THE MOSQUE TO THE PRACTISE OF MANY MOSQUES TODAY.

Brother i know this, that is why i'm repeating myself. I'm stating it's the views of certain individuals that's not allowing for women to attend mosque, not the Quran!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Yes its true, there are people like that. They know nothing. They mix culture with Islam >.<

 

[i_m_tipu]

Suffering in the sense they should be made to feel they are the temptation, so they should not be allowed!

They shall suffer? Some mosques allow it but you seem to disagree. So much for 'Equality'

Where did u find me said here they should not be allowed?
Never did I disagree that woman can pray at mosques.
Where did u find such thing
I always said woman can pray at mosque but it is not obligatory for them and our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said it is better for woman to pray at home.
It is quite annoying now. Why u try to create confusion. Pls read properly before comment. :heated:

Listen, never expect ur thought will gone be equal to a Muslim thought. We grow up very different than ur culture. To be righteousness in true Muslim culture got the no 1 priority. Our main goal is to enter Jannah.
Now in the current world we live in such culture what is lot differ from the teaching of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Bcoz people always try to implement complex things and forget the teaching of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) [easier way of life]. There may be a lot of things to say but it will be off topics.

In Islam Man has some prohibition but woman has the permission. In the same way woman has some prohibition but man has the permission.
In Islam woman get lot of things what man does not get. In same way man got lot of thing what does not get. (Etc)
It’s not a question of equality. Its a system (created by Allaah (SWT) called Islam which we r trying to follow in order to pleased Allaah (SWT)
And I believe only poor people always argue without try to understand.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Alaikumassalam,

I made a post in the thread about "would you rather live in a theocracy than under a secular government" and in that post I made a point about the fact that it is wrong to speculate upon what could go wrong in the future in an Islamic run Nation.

Then I got thinking, if Australia was to elect a Muslim Government, then we would perhaps have some male only Mosques defined, but also some female only Mosques defined, because that is one important aspect of Faith that stabilises Aboriginal cultural tradition. Now while obviously it is fruitless to also speculate upon what could or could not become in the future of Australia; I am curious about what male Muslims regard of this.

In Aboriginal culture and cosmology, it is essential that all sacred and ritualised matters are segregated. This is usually defined in English by telling that there is men's business and women's business, and they are different.

Obviously it is that Husband's know their own wife/wive's business and especially in Spiritual matters. But one of the striking aspects of Traditional Aboriginal culture is that very many of the male ceremonies, such as initiations, have an equally important female component, but that was never revealed to the male anthropologists, and so the invaders had not the opportunity to damage women's authority over women's sacred business, in the same way they damaged male authority over sacred men's business, in the relative sense.

That was a bit of a long sentence. Yet it is a significant matter that Aboriginal women have been enabled to retain culture more decisively than men. Aboriginal women all support the segregation of sexes in dealing with sacred "business" as it became known in the translations of Aboriginal languages into English. (business that proves we were a society of Religious government not secular)

So what I am wondering is whether the Aboriginal practise of men letting their wives gather (often at food preparation times, but also often for long periods of no sleep while the men are engaged in initiations which may take weeks) to pray together, and sometimes dance and sing, if and when that is appropriate, is compatible with Islam.

Obviously in a hunter gatherer society the need for women's sacred business is clearly upheld by women needing to conduct 'increase' ceremonies to maintain food supply. Men and women each have their own distinct increase ceremonies and are not allowed to interfer in those of each other. But men must know what the women are doing at all times. Any Husband will need to know, since he is ultimately the responsible party for all of his wive's 'women's business'. It is relevant that women's business has protected Aboriginal culture through a period in which the men all fell.

A woman might not need to Pray within a group when all the men are fully enabled: but in matters of child protection it is a useful process. There are modern contexts such as playgroups which ought to have Muslim equivalence, in that it ought to be that women socialise as mothers around Prayer for their children. For example: I went to ante-natal Yoga lessons, which encouraged women to be able to both meditate (Pray) and excercise at the same time as looking after a newborn. What modern Mosque would let its teaching rooms be used for such a purpose if it was within Islamic instruction? Where should women go for such? And is there a modern Islamic equivalent between the Traditional Aboriginal seperation of women's business and men's business? In Aboriginal society it is taken as a matter of grave concern if any female presents any matter of need within a male context; and such is enabled when there are many women wanting for men to listen to a point.

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