should US muslims vote?

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Salaam,

The US elections are coming up in November.

Should Muslims vote, especially what happened last time when the majoruty of muslims voted Bush, and look what he did?

Is voting a non islamic state which oppresses and kills Muslims permissible?
 
Why wouldn't voting be allowed?
If Muslims can't be bothered to vote then they will get ignored. Not voting is a form of silence... and silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

The instant politicians feel their jobs are at stake... They will switch policy. So tell them what their jobs depend on.
 
To quote Harry Truman while he was addressing arab ambassadors in 1948: "I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."

Times have changed. If there are as many Muslims in the US as is claimed than they can certainly influence policy.
 
nishom said:
Is voting a non islamic state which oppresses and kills Muslims permissible?
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The same reply as in the "Voting" thread, which was started by a British muslim - of course they should vote. If US muslims don't vote they are giving tacit consent both to the election of whoever wins, and whatever they may do when they gain office. Which may, or may not, involve "oppressing and killing" muslims. If you don't vote, you are in no position to complain.

Vote for the person who most represents what you want, and has the most policies you support. If nobody fits the bill, there is nothing to stop muslims fielding their own candidates. Sure, they won't win, but if they get enough votes it will make the point to both Democrats and Republicans that those votes are there for the taking next time if they adopt ideas those muslim voters will support.
 
Trumble said:
The same reply as in the "Voting" thread, which was started by a British muslim - of course they should vote. If US muslims don't vote they are giving tacit consent both to the election of whoever wins, and whatever they may do when they gain office. Which may, or may not, involve "oppressing and killing" muslims. If you don't vote, you are in no position to complain.

Vote for the person who most represents what you want, and has the most policies you support. If nobody fits the bill, there is nothing to stop muslims fielding their own candidates. Sure, they won't win, but if they get enough votes it will make the point to both Democrats and Republicans that those votes are there for the taking next time if they adopt ideas those muslim voters will support.
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Why won't they win? A muslim is running for congress under the democrat ticket and I believe he's leading in the polls.
 
Torquemada said:
Keith Ellison. He's a revert running for the House of Representatives in Minnesota.
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Cool!

In the November election, Ellison will face Republican Alan Fine, Tammy Lee of the Independence Party, and the Green Party's Jay Pond. Ellison is an overwhelming favorite to win in November. The Minneapolis-based 5th has long been considered very safe for the DFL, which has held it since 1963. If he wins, Ellison will become the first non-Caucasian elected to federal office from Minnesota and the first Muslim to serve in Congress. He will also be only the fourth person to represent the district since 1943.
 
Torquemada said:
Why won't they win? A muslim is running for congress under the democrat ticket and I believe he's leading in the polls.
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Sorry, didn't make myself clear. I didn't mean that no candidate who is a muslim can win, I meant it was extremely unlikely a muslim candidate standing as a 'protest' alternative to both Democrat and Republican candidates would win.
 
Torquemada said:
What fascists?
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Ever heard of the BNP? Nazis by any other name...
They are Islamophobic, anti-immigrant (and against their decendants too), and secretly anti-semetic. They only pretend to support Israel because they will get votes that way.
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Fishman said:
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Ever heard of the BNP? Nazis by any other name...
They are Islamophobic, anti-immigrant (and against their decendants too), and secretly anti-semetic. They only pretend to support Israel because they will get votes that way.
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oh ok I agree. I didn't know what system you were talking about.
 
Fishman said:
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Ever heard of the BNP? Nazis by any other name...
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A rose of a different colour would smell as sweet.

Um, rewind. REALLY bad analogy, sorry. I apologise.

And oh yes, don't give in to these people who say 'voting is haraam!' If you want to vote, do so, and if you wish to abstain, abstain. It's your choice, not anybody else's.
 
KAding said:
To quote Harry Truman while he was addressing arab ambassadors in 1948: "I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."

Times have changed. If there are as many Muslims in the US as is claimed than they can certainly influence policy.
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That Truman quote is an excellent way to make the point. I may copy you! :)
 
KAding said:
To quote Harry Truman while he was addressing arab ambassadors in 1948: "I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."

Times have changed. If there are as many Muslims in the US as is claimed than they can certainly influence policy.
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Quite true, and in 1948 the only generaly known Muslims in the US were Arabs. There were probably no more then several thousand in the US at that time and they had virtualy no political voice. Today Muslims do make up a very significant minority in some voting districts. Enough to be able to carry an election in one direction or another, if they vote.

Elections in America do not bring about immediate changes, changes come about by a series of successive progressions. Each election getting closer to the desired end.
 
i read somewhere that Muslims are only allowed to vote for Muslim leaders.because if we vote for non-muslims leaders that means that we support their ways of spreading immoral actions i.e abortion rights, gay marriage rights. which these laws are clearly against Islam(and all major religions like Judaism and Christianity).
 
rania2820 said:
i read somewhere that Muslims are only allowed to vote for Muslim leaders.because if we vote for non-muslims leaders that means that we support their ways of spreading immoral actions i.e abortion rights, gay marriage rights. which these laws are clearly against Islam(and all major religions like Judaism and Christianity).
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It is a question of who does the no vote support if we don't vote. Keep in mind not voting is a vote, except we automatically vote for the winner by not casting a ballot.

Changes are brought about by a series of elections, each time voting for the candidate closest to our views. It is not just a method of selecting, it is also a means of eliminating.
 
nishom said:
Salaam,

The US elections are coming up in November.

Should Muslims vote, especially what happened last time when the majoruty of muslims voted Bush, and look what he did?

Is voting a non islamic state which oppresses and kills Muslims permissible?
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No VOTING IN A NON MUSLIM COUNTRY FOR A NON MUSLIM GOVERNMENT IS SOO HARAM!!! You are voting in a haram gov which doesn't rule with sharia and the ulamah have declared voting in a kufr state is unlawful.ONly the moderates say its allowed..:heated:
 
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