Muslims in Europe do not pose threat

[Fishman]

That is awewome! Can't wait for the full report.

LoFL...

 

[Fishman]

Yes but there is one small problem. Name one of those religions leaders that don't condemn those acts and if they do condemn them and add a but to it. When the KKK burns someones house the Christian leaders come out and say these people are dispicable no questions asked. They don't say what these people did are wrong but you gotta understand why they did it. There is no understanding, what they did was wrong period.

What's wrong with adding a but? Are we all supposed to love America? If so, quite a lot of the world is guilty.

''The terrorists commit awful crimes, there's no doubt about it. They ruin the lives of Muslims and non-Muslims alike. But to be able to fix this problem, we must fix the root cause first, which is US foregin policy''. This is the main argument of the Muslims who condemn terrorism. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with understanding why terrorists do these things? If you don't understand a problem, how can you hope to solve it?

Also last time I checked the people that tend to blow themselves up aren't named Bob

Last time I checked, people who go around lynching and burning aren't named Hamid...

 

[Fishman]

Why are you (Torquemada) named after a 15th century genocidal maniac, who liked to burn Muslims and Jews at the stake? If this is allowed, can I change my screen-name to Osama bin Laden?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquemada

 

[wilberhum]

Sonz,
Do you have a link to your post?
I found:
http://www.apsanet.org/imgtest/POPSep06WarnerWenner.pdf
Which seams to be the source that someone used to create there article.
In reading the article, it is quite long but interesting, I found the following:

Approximately 15 million Muslims live in Europe, and some of them have advocated creating an Islamic state there.
Timothy Garton Ash fears that European Muslims could be “radicalized by events in the Middle East” and that their numbers could soon reach a tenth of the European population.

The implication is that Muslims as a bloc will soon dominate the foreign and domestic policies of European states.

But one of the things that always concerns me is when the title of an article changes.
Muslims in Europe do not pose threat
Vis
Religion and the Political Organization of Muslims in Europe

 

[Torquemada]

What's wrong with adding a but? Are we all supposed to love America? If so, quite a lot of the world is guilty.

''The terrorists commit awful crimes, there's no doubt about it. They ruin the lives of Muslims and non-Muslims alike. But to be able to fix this problem, we must fix the root cause first, which is US foregin policy''. This is the main argument of the Muslims who condemn terrorism. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with understanding why terrorists do these things? If you don't understand a problem, how can you hope to solve it?

Last time I checked, people who go around lynching and burning aren't named Hamid...

Why add a but? Why not just condemn? By the way when was the last lynching and burning by the KKK committed? I can tell you when the last suicide bombing was.

 

[Hawa]

I think the article said there was no link between Muslims and terrorism.
Not the same thing. The issue in not what Islam says, it is what some Muslims do.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/72B41A70-F2AC-411E-9DC0-55AACBD4D291.htm

A high school teacher in France, who wrote an opinion piece in a French daily arguing that Islam is trying to force its vision on Europe is under police protection after receiving death threats, officials said on Friday.
One e-mail read: "You will never again be safe on this earth. One billion, 300 million Muslims are ready to kill you," he told Europe-1 radio on Friday.

I musta missed the ceremony where we chose this individual to be our spokesperson.

I was under the impression that people came on LI to learn more about Islam, maybe even dispel their prejudices. It seems some of you..and you all know who you are, come here to engage in arguments (the same arguments might I add) day in day out..and for what?
You take so much pride in your narrow-mindedness, if truly muslims are evil, why on earth are you still here?

1 . Say : O disbelievers!

2 . I worship not that which ye worship ;

3 . Nor worship ye that which I worship .

4 . And I shall not worship that which ye worship .

5 . Nor will ye worship that which I worship .

6 . Unto you your religion , and unto me my religion . (Quran)


Do not come here speaking ill of muslims, you will not affect our views with the endless sea of propaganda and lies you bring here every so often , if you honestly believe muslims wish to harm you then I suggest you build yourself an underground bunker...

p.s if blood shedding bothers you so much why dont you speak up about the countless murders committed by your governments....just a suggestion..

 

[Torquemada]

Why are you (Torquemada) named after a 15th century genocidal maniac, who liked to burn Muslims and Jews at the stake? If this is allowed, can I change my screen-name to Osama bin Laden?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquemada

Nice catch of the name. I know exactly who Torquemada is and his role in the Spanish Inquisition was. The reason I chose this name is because of the movie History of the World Part I by Mel Brooks. The was a musical in it where he played Torquemada and it was funny. If you wanna change your name to bin Laden be my guess. I'm sure you have as much ties to al-queda as I have in the Holy See which is none.

 

[wilberhum]

I was under the impression that people came on LI to learn more about Islam,

Some of us come here for debate. Myself included. That is why I stick to world Afairs and Comparative Religion.

Do not come here speaking ill of muslims

Do you find no Muslims that should be spoken ill about?

if truly muslims are evil, why on earth are you still here?

I still here because Muslims, as a whole, are not evil. Most are good people. Just like most Christians are good, most Jews are good, and yes, most agnostics are good. But all groups contain some bad.

 

[Hawa]

Do you find no Muslims that should be spoken ill about?

Millions unfortunately, myself included, for not standing up for my religion ofcourse..

 

[Joe98]

15 million Muslims living in Europe today do not in any way pose a threat to the European culture........

Yes they do.

Muslims constantly get upset when Europeans follow their cultural traditions.

Children singing Christmas Carols comes immedaintly to mind.

 

[wilberhum]

Originally Posted by sonz
15 million Muslims living in Europe today do not in any way pose a threat to the European culture........

Yes they do.

Muslims constantly get upset when Europeans follow their cultural traditions.

Children singing Christmas Carols comes immedaintly to mind.

Good pickup Joe. A large influx from any culture will change the culture.
Now that is not necessarly bad. In fact it can be good. But it surly does change the existing culture.

 

[KAding]

Muslims in Europe do not pose threat
<snip>
The authors of the study also tackled the issue of immigration, saying that "religion has failed to be the unifying focal point of Muslims in Western Europe," as Muslim immigrants remain divided by ethnic differences in those states.

Is this good or bad news for many Muslims on this board? This study seems to me to assert that Muslims are assimilating in non-Muslim societies and accepting non-Islamic rule, mainly because Islam does not appear to provide enough unity for all these Muslims to act towards a common goal.

To me this study provides some hope. It means that religious identity is not cast in stone, that people are not just 'Muslim'. We must try to move away from the us vs. them thinking on religion, which can cause severe social tension and division. People are more than just their etnicity or religion.

 

[rania2820]

ive could have told them that.muslims are peaceful people.but the world seems not want to believe it.

 

[therebbe]

ive could have told them that.muslims are peaceful people.but the world seems not want to believe it.

Many radical Muslims who are a vocal minority seem to not want to believe it either.

 

[Muezzin]

Yes they do.

Every single European Muslim poses a threat?

Muslims constantly get upset when Europeans follow their cultural traditions.

Children singing Christmas Carols comes immedaintly to mind.

There is nothing wrong with 'getting upset'.

There is a lot wrong with 'getting violent'. People who react violently should be dealt with as the law provides. I say this repeatedly and yet people still think Muslims don't condemn the bad eggs.

 

[Joe98]

There is nothing wrong with 'getting upset'.

Yes there is. A European country has been following a tradition for hundreds of years. A tradition that hurts nobody.

Muslims have no right to be upset.

 

[sonz]

Is this good or bad news for many Muslims on this board? This study seems to me to assert that Muslims are assimilating in non-Muslim societies and accepting non-Islamic rule, mainly because Islam does not appear to provide enough unity for all these Muslims to act towards a common goal.

if u checked the recent polls, it shows that majority of the muslims want the shariah because they know that islam unifies them.

islam is the only religion that provides equality and sense of brotherhood

"The doctrine of brotherhood of Islam extends to all human beings, no matter what color, race or creed. Islam is the only religion which has been able to realize this doctrine in practice. Muslims wherever on the world they are will recognize each other as brothers." Mr. R. L. Mellema, Holland, Anthropologist, Writer and Scholar.

 

[Muezzin]

Yes there is. A European country has been following a tradition for hundreds of years. A tradition that hurts nobody.

Yes.

Muslims have no right to be upset.

Everyone has a right to be upset about anything that they wish. That's democracy. If for example someone wants to be a complete butthead and complain about a good thing, they can and it is their right to, so long as they do nothing illegal. It's freedom of expression, association etc.

Now, whether or not Muslims should be upset is a different matter entirely.

 

[Fishman]

Nice catch of the name. I know exactly who Torquemada is and his role in the Spanish Inquisition was. The reason I chose this name is because of the movie History of the World Part I by Mel Brooks. The was a musical in it where he played Torquemada and it was funny. If you wanna change your name to bin Laden be my guess. I'm sure you have as much ties to al-queda as I have in the Holy See which is none.

I don't really want to be called Bin Laden. It's just that naming yourself after a person who slaughtered Muslims is sort of offensive. Without knowing your intention, it does kinda make people think that you are out to hurt Muslims. It's like the way prince Charles wore that Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party.

 

[Torquemada]

I don't really want to be called Bin Laden. It's just that naming yourself after a person who slaughtered Muslims is sort of offensive. Without knowing your intention, it does kinda make people think that you are out to hurt Muslims. It's like the way prince Charles wore that Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party.

Well it's being changed to Jimmy the Cricket