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Re: 'Remove full veils' urges Straw

Muezzin said:
I wonder if anyone still thinks the media does not possibly have the capacity to blow things out of proportion.
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Salam Alaikum, brother:

Ohhhh, I absolutely agree. The media are notorious for blowing the smallest, insignificant detail out of proportion to bring viewers. In my opinion, someone in a position like Jack Straw, to make such comments only makes himself look really bad in the public eye. For Muslims it's giving us a wonderful opportunity to explain why some women choose the veil to non Muslims and a great opportunity for Da'wa.

We have a tendancy to allow these small statements to erupt rather than saying, thanks for another opportunity to teach others the truth about Islam. We have to remember we should only be concerned with the words of God. He is the one that has taught us right from wrong in virtually every aspect of our lives. The words of man can only harm us if we allow it. When we react with violence or react in any fashion not acceptable in Islam, we have given that man more power and credit than he deserves and have placed his words directed to us above what God has taught us.

Imagine the message Muslims would be sending to the world if we didn't react to this type of reporting with violence or sabre rattling, but remained calm and peacefully provided the reasoning for doing what we do or for believing what we believe. We've had so many missed opportunities to show the world the truth of Islamic teachings. :cry:

Wasalam,
hana
 
Re: 'Remove full veils' urges Straw

A few days ago, my sister was walking back from college and yeah she wears a veil. Anyway, this man stops and says excuse me, I think you're really beautiful under that veil. She looked at him like he was a few cards shy of a full deck, I mean like this --->:uuh: :ooh:

Then he said no really, I think you must be beautiful and he smiled and walked off. :mmokay:

So what I was thinking after she told me was that d'you think that was Straw in disguise? :rollseyes

Then figure this one out:
I was sitting in class at uni. This man behind me goes to some other guy that he read somewhere or something that women wear the veil because they're scared of men. What a joke?! This man believed it and said that men must be the worst kind of creation, they must be evil and he said loads of other stuff that I cant remember, some of which I didnt understand because he was foreign and spoke his own language. Go figure....:offended:

That definately wasn't Straw but hey imagine some people thinking that.....:heated:
 
Re: 'Remove full veils' urges Straw

lol, yeah sis, I went into town and other places today...dont know if it was paranoia but i did get some funny looks off people

khayr, some non-Muslims shop assistants do make attempts to smile and make conversation.
 
Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

:sl:
ok this is an interesting article i found on msn today. i think you should have a look. :offended:

LONDON (Reuters) - The minister responsible for race and faith called on Sunday for a Muslim teaching assistant suspended for wearing a veil to be sacked, entering a growing row over integration.

Minister for Local Government and Community Cohesion Phil Woolas told the Sunday Mirror that 24-year-old Aishah Azmi's decision to wear a veil while teaching made it impossible for her to perform her duties.

"She should be sacked. She has put herself in a position where she can't do her job," he said.

Woolas was not the only government minister to pronounce on faith issues on Sunday. Cabinet Minister Peter Hain rubbished a decision by British Airways to send home a worker for wearing a Christian cross.

"Frankly I think British Airway's order for her not to wear her cross is loopy," the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland told the BBC.

BA employee Nadia Eweida had refused to cover up her cross necklace under a scarf, which the airline said contravened its policy that jewellery and religious symbols on chains should not be on display.

The dispute over Azmi's veil is currently before an employment tribunal which is set to rule within days.

On Saturday Azmi told the BBC that the garment, which left just her eyes exposed, had never been a problem for pupils at the Headfield Church of England Junior School in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

She said students had "never complained" and there had never been an issue about children having difficulty in understanding her talk through the garment.

She added that although she was unveiled during an interview for the job and that a man was present, her faith meant she could not be unveiled in front of male colleagues while teaching.

Woolas said Azmi's stance amounted to sex discrimination:

"By insisting that she will wear the veil if men are there, she's saying; 'I'll work with women, not men'. That's sexual discrimination. No headteacher could agree to that.

Azmi has said she was always willing to take her veil off in front of children, but had refused to do so in the presence of male colleagues.

The issue of Muslim women wearing veils was thrust into the spotlight over a week ago when Jack Straw said Muslim women who wore full veils made community relations difficult.

He said he would prefer that women did not wear them because they acted as a "visible statement of separation and difference.

check this link out:
http://news.uk.msn.com/
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

If she compromised the veil in the interview then why insist on wearing it afterwards. That's deception.
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

I agree with this decision. There are few sane reasons to resist the wearing of a hijab by teachers. But a veil is an obvious obstruction to communication. Expressions are a very basic human way of communication, it's part of the reason why face-to-face communication is so superior over mere voice communication over, say, the phone.
 
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Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

Muslimah_Sis said:
If she compromised the veil in the interview then why insist on wearing it afterwards. That's deception.
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Salam Alaikum:

I have to agree with you. Also, there is another thread about this already, HERE The later pages of the thread discuss this exact incident.

I'm sure the mods will merge the threads anyway. :)

wa'alaikum salam,
Hana
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

KAding said:
I agree with this decision. There are few sane reasons to resist the wearing of a hijab by teachers. But a veil is an obvious obstruction to communication. Expressions are a very basic human way of communication, it's part of the reason why face-to-face communication is so superior over mere voice communication over, say, the phone.
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Peace to you Kading:

Will you list some of those reasons? I usually try to be very logical with these situations, but honestly, I can't see where the hijab could hinder teaching. The veil, yes, (in certain circumstances), as I've already stated in the other thread, but, I can't think of one reason why a teacher couldn't wear hijab.

Thanks,
Hana
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

:sl:
whyd they do what they did to the british airways woman though? i think they did that on purpose :mad: who cares if a person wears a cross?
 
Re: 'Remove full veils' urges Straw

:sl:

what im getting really angry about is these non muslims giving their opinion and telling us what it says in islam.
*theres nowhere that says the veil is necessary*
that gets me real arghhhhhhhhhh
what do they know :rant:
 
Re: 'Remove full veils' urges Straw

amani said:
:sl:

what im getting really angry about is these non muslims giving their opinion and telling us what it says in islam.
*theres nowhere that says the veil is necessary*
that gets me real arghhhhhhhhhh
what do they know :rant:
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Salam Alaikum:

Yeah, sis, I agree. THAT really irks me. The next time I'm in a plane I'll go tell the pilot how he should be doing his job and tell him how to fly it!! :rant: It's the same difference. :heated:

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Wasalam,
Hana
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

amani said:
:sl:
whyd they do what they did to the british airways woman though? i think they did that on purpose :mad: who cares if a person wears a cross?
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Salam Alaikum:

Yeah, sis, that sounds a bit weird to me too. People are carrying this stuff way too far. Just leave people alone to practice their faith. As long as it's not causing injury to anyone, just leave them be. :heated:

So crazy,

Wasalam,
Hana
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

:wasalamex


You know how the pagan arab's said to the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) that "if we follow your religion for a day, will you follow ours?" -

The same way, their trying to put forward the idea that "if we tell other faiths to give up their religios symbol - you will have to do it too." Religion is something they can play around with, whereas we know that we're upon the truth.



They know that islaam is the truth, and giving up a small necklace with a cross on, is easier than giving up a hijaab - which is waajib upon the muslim woman. They feel they have to justify what they say by using double standards.


But we know that at the end of the day - it is a test from Allaah Almighty. And none of this happen's, except by the will of Allaah. We should stay firm insha'Allaah, because who give's us rizq (provisions)? Is it anyone besides Allaah? Who raises some, and put's down others?


Who will we all return to? It is only Allaah, the Lord of the heaven's and the earth. He is our Protector, He is the One we turn to for help. He is the One who will judge between us, when there will be no authority, except with Him the Glorious, Exalted is He.



Allaah Almighty know's best.



:salamext:​
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

Salam Alaikum,

You're absolutely right brother.

Jazak Allah Khair,

Wasalam,
Hana
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

If people think it is a problem, what about blind children? They can't see anything but they have a brilliant education. Pathetic!
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

:sl: HELLO??? She said she takes it OFF while teaching so please dont bring that *It will effect the children education*. She simply wears it in front of men colleagues, why wasnt this a big deal before? Why did they bring the issue up with her now?.:w:
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

Fi_Sabilillah said:
:wasalamex


You know how the pagan arab's said to the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) that "if we follow your religion for a day, will you follow ours?" -

The same way, their trying to put forward the idea that "if we tell other faiths to give up their religios symbol - you will have to do it too." Religion is something they can play around with, whereas we know that we're upon the truth.



They know that islaam is the truth, and giving up a small necklace with a cross on, is easier than giving up a hijaab - which is waajib upon the muslim woman. They feel they have to justify what they say by using double standards.


But we know that at the end of the day - it is a test from Allaah Almighty. And none of this happen's, except by the will of Allaah. We should stay firm insha'Allaah, because who give's us rizq (provisions)? Is it anyone besides Allaah? Who raises some, and put's down others?


Who will we all return to? It is only Allaah, the Lord of the heaven's and the earth. He is our Protector, He is the One we turn to for help. He is the One who will judge between us, when there will be no authority, except with Him the Glorious, Exalted is He.



Allaah Almighty know's best.



:salamext:​
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So True :D
 
Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

Tayyaba said:
If people think it is a problem, what about blind children? They can't see anything but they have a brilliant education. Pathetic!
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Actually, sister, children born blind also develop stronger senses in other areas. They have adapated since birth to compensate for no sight. There is nothing wrong with a blind child's ability to learn, but they are taught somewhat differently. ie: learning colours. They can never learn real colour, but they can be taught to associate. A cottonball, for example, to associate the colour white, cold water for blue, hot water for red, etc.

But, when teaching children a second language, mouth, lip and tongue placement is very important for pronunciation. The same way a blind, deaf and mute person learns to speak. They feel for the different vibrations on the teachers throat, feels his/her lip movements and learns to imitate it by putting their hand on their own throats and lips.

No one is saying she shouldn't teach, I'm sure she's a fabulous teacher and a wonderful sister, mashallah, but it is a fact that learning another language does require seeing the words and letters spoken as well as hearing.

Wasalam,
Hana
 

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