Veil related posts and threads combined

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

You can have your views, no one is stopping you. Your talking about people in the past who had our view? Well, maybe you didnt know, Christians and people of other faiths have it too. Just because you urself havent heard it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Hi, and Stuff Nation States Ulysses, to be frank the legal phenomena has no meaning in Law without historical tracing back to before the seperation of Religion and State. We Muslims are required to understand the phenomena of Nation States as a necessary wrong doing of non-believers that will be always in process of fall.

Assalamu Alaikum Kamilah, thanks for letting me know what niqaab. I was not certain which word which between it and Jilbab.

One day I was at the Irish club with a really terrible person whom was stalking me and when he offered to buy me a drink and I was afraid to walk home alone I went there knowing that the Irish would recognise what was happening an let me make a getaway; which is exactly what happened. But curiously enough there that night was a woman whom has lived in Saudi Arabia and taught me to tie my Hijab around my face so only my eyes poke out. I like it better like that, but usually only can wear Hijab. One day I was wishing to live in a place where it is alright for a wife to be identified as well loved by how well covered she is: and since then I have seen one such Muslim wife with children and Husband at the local show getting off the ferris wheel, and two others nearer my home walking close to a major shopping centre. So I guess that here a complete Jilbab is as acceptable as anywhere; and I already am living in such a place as I wished for. My eyeballs get tired some days,

but really I came back into this thread to comment upon what I was writing earlier: that; dont chew know?; well, jou know dey didn fink dat DM's is only 4 bover boys when dey made em; my Hijab get DM; since dey ain't only 4 kickin ole grans wiv (but I nevermore wear em with what I wore 'em with in ol englan there)

Now here my point is: if Jack Straw wants Muslims to integrate really and truly he had wanna be considering all those of us who gunna get integrated in the Ummah, truly it ain't so far as all that from puddles at the Ribblehead Mushroom Festival to full Hijab and six times a day praying.

Did not that expression: 'as safe as houses', begin as a Muslim thing?

The point is only that there is already so much of the decency in every Nation that is of Islam, that integration can only reveal.

But that is enough of my past and my own story of clothing and what its meaning is and is not. What about the future? I had an idea that relates portionally to Hijab, and posted a thread but not many have read it yet, so I'll leave it at that will I:
http://www.islamicboard.com/education-issues/29980-consolidating-womens-education.html

Assalamu Alaikum rvq and thanking who has been patient enough to read the posts I make

 

[Noora_z3]

Re: Teacher Sacked For Wearin Veil ?!?!?

If it meant you losing your job, would you make compromises and wear jilbaab and hijaab instead. After all, its important that all Muslims contribute to the society they live in to change it for the better.

U see here prioritis come into play, should I work and "Contribute to the socity" which is not obligatory on me or should I remove my veil, which I personally belive is Compulsory on me?! I think u got the answer.

May Allah make our muslims socitis more religiouse and stronger.

 

[Muezzin]

Fourth, a respectful reminder to all of you who are faithful Muslims. Not all of us share your beliefs, and I would ask that you respect our rights to do so. While I will gladly entertain your claims that your worldview is superior, that your religion is an entire way of life, and that all other worldviews will eventually be eliminated and replaced with yours, I would also point out to you that similar claims have been made by a wide variety of groups including: Catholic crusaders, Mongol conquerors, Roman Imperialists, European colonialists, Aztec sacrificers, Christian missionaries, Spanish inquisitors, Aryan supremacists, Klu Klux Klan lynchers, "communist" liberators, Soviet invaders, etc., etc., etc. I do not doubt that your worldview is truly fullfilling, beautiful and rewarding. However, is it also so precarious that it must be defined in terms of exclusive superiority to any other worldview, such as my own Buddhist view?

Aw, you went through all those brutes and forgot to compare us to the Nazis? I'm hurt.

 

[nishom]

blair:take off the veil

UK’s PM asks Muslim women to take off veil
islamonline.com
accessed on 19/10/2006 at 13.52


British Prime Minister Tony Blair supported remarks made earlier by the leader of the House of Commons, Jack Straw, in which he criticised the Muslim women’s full-face veil, claiming it's a sign of separation.

Blair said that Britain's Muslims should be encouraged to integrate with mainstream society, falsely implying that the veil was an obstacle in the way of integration.

This is the first time the British Prime Minister speaks against the wearing of full- face veils by Muslim women. His remarks are expected to fuel the current heated debate in UK and across Western nations that have large Muslim communities over integration of Muslims in the West.

• Straw’s radical remarks

Blair’s remarks, which came two weeks after ignorant remarks made by the former foreign secretary and now leader of the House of Commons, Mr. Straw, in which he said that Muslim women visiting his office should remove their veils, will also intensify the current tension in UK and the debate over Muslims’ ties to the rest of the British community and the government.

Straw’s radical remarks set off an argument about whether Muslims have become the latest target of racial discrimination in the West.

Blair furthermore defended the case involving the suspension of the Muslim teaching assistant for refusing to take off her veil.

The British PM said that the local education authority handling the case Aishah Azmi, who was suspended from her job at Headfield Church of England junior school in Dewsbury, has the right to decide whether the veil interfered with her ability to do her job.

But Azmi affirmed that the children "never complained," and that she was willing to take the veil off during the lessons, but not in front of any male colleagues.

"The veil is really important to all Muslim women who choose to wear it. Our religion compels us to wear it because it's in the Qur’an," she said.

• Alienating Muslims

British Muslims say recent remarks by the British Prime Minister as well as other officials over the Muslim women’ veils and integration risk alienating them.

The fact that the government repeated same ignorant remarks made by other officials on the issue amount to vilification, Muslims say.

"There is a progressive attack by the government on British Muslims," said Mohammed Naseem, 82, chairman of the Central Mosque in Birmingham.

Birmingham mosque was founded in the late 1960s after migrant workers tuned the city into one of Britain's most ethnically diverse.

"Every day one thing or another crops up, whether it's the veil, faith schools or national holidays. There is a campaign of vilification, I don't know what will be next," he added.

"I wear the niqab for God not for a man, whether it's Jack Straw or my ex-husband," Reuters quoted Khadija Kamram as saying.

"In fact I only put it on after my divorce papers came through. People stare at me for wearing the veil, but I don't let it bother me," she told Reuters.

 

[S_87]

arghhhhhhhh whats it to any of them :rant:

 

[Curaezipirid]

Fourth, a respectful reminder to all of you who are faithful Muslims. Not all of us share your beliefs, . . . . . . Aryan supremacists, . . . . . ., "communist" liberators, Soviet invaders, etc., . . . . . . However, is it also so precarious that it must be defined in terms of exclusive superiority to any other worldview, such as my own Buddhist view?

Although my first reaction to your post was to assault the argument about Nations and Religion vs state, I like you post. Your comments are in general more intelligent that most who are new to accessing Islam.

I have here, in how I edited the quote, drawn an analogy to make a point that I hope will not be lost on you Ulysses. Are the Aryan supremacists only these days conscious of the liberation/invasion debarcles or were they, as I suspect, always so?

However my main point is sad. As for precarious: PLEASE can you read the major ahadith of Prophesy before so accusing? Yes we are in a "superior" FIELD OF REFERENCE, and one in which the terror of reality is also requiring of a far superior balance to sustain living.

Aw, you went through all those brutes and forgot to compare us to the Nazis? I'm hurt.

Good point! De nazis dees days are definitely not all Aryan, or even trying to be. (dey was finking to de future and Jannah via a future look into de Hare Krishnas I bliev: and dat is why de theosophists promote de baddies of Hindu and were'd ignorant of Islamic worth in the same cause as de goodies of Hin')

But it all works out alright since I decided to become a nazis meself and to portray nazism as Australian (as well as german) National Socialism! weis all 'borigines dees days all de nazis an us.

But gee dat took sum catching one neo-nazi type among de Hare's; and all is well as ends well via The Elephants Surah! but dats in another fred. try http://www.loadislam...............the fred in cyber counselling about too weird


And as for Veils I had another idea. More and more and more Veil ideas gets more and more veiled and the more and more they accuse . . .:happy: ffended: :muslimah: :muslimah: an'salam

 

[Curaezipirid]

an here 'd newer even idea: it is a plot to fade the colouration of red heads orange hair and that is why Jack Straw is so opposed to

?

 

[Curaezipirid]

Waaa I made an edit that disappeared into cyber space with the following data in it:

about that of why red heads in Hijab is a funny thing

orange hairs fade as well as go white one by one and veil speeds that up
also

how many red heads wear Hijab?
and also

why can't red heads get blend into the crowd veil?

but then, since red heads in Veil is a clear winner in the "WHY" department: then why should Jack Straw want to integrate?

wasalam

 

[nishom]

MP tells veil woman 'let it go'

bbc.co.uk
accessed on 20/10/2006 at 11.14

Aishah Azmi said she would appeal against the tribunal ruling
A Muslim teaching assistant suspended for wearing a full-face veil has been urged by her MP to give up her fight.
Aishah Azmi lost her employment tribunal case for discrimination and harassment, but was awarded damages for victimisation by Kirklees Council.

Her legal representative said they will take the case to "a higher court".

But Dewsbury Labour MP Shahid Malik told the BBC: "I would appeal to Mrs Azmi now just to let this thing go. There is no real support for it."

It comes as Conservative leader David Cameron warned politicians to consider the effects before "piling" into the row on women wearing full-face veils.

Mr Cameron said he was concerned British Muslims were feeling "slightly targeted" on the issue.



Mrs Azmi was suspended from Headfield Church of England Junior School, in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

I think there is a danger of politicians piling in to have their tenpence-worth

Nick Whittingham, of Kirklees Law Centre which is representing Mrs Azmi, said: "This is a new area of law in terms of religious belief discrimination.

"It's untested so we need to be taking that to a higher court."

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme they would look particularly at whether the case fell into an area of direct or indirect discrimination.

"What we are trying to say is that she can do her job perfectly even if she is wearing a veil," he said.

But Mr Malik told BBC Look North the tribunal ruling was "absolutely spot on".


Shahid Malik said the issue had "little support"

"I have got Muslim parents in my constituency who have said that they wouldn't send their children to a school where the teachers wore veils while they were teaching.

"I just think there is very little support for this, she is very isolated and it would be healthy all round if she just let it go and just accept the tribunal result," he told BBC Radio Leeds.


Her case fuelled the debate on full-face veils, originally sparked when Commons leader Jack Straw said he asked Muslim women to remove veils when they visited his constituency advice surgeries.

Prime minister Tony Blair also added his voice to the debate saying the full-veil was a "mark of separation".

But David Cameron told ITV1's Frost Tonight: "I think there is a danger of politicians piling in to have their tenpence-worth and really they have to ask themselves whether this is having an overall good effect or not."

Mr Cameron said that in cases like Mrs Azmi's, it should be up to the school and local authority to make their own judgement.

The chair of social and family affairs at the Muslim Council of Britain, Reefat Drabu, said the veil was not obligatory.

She said Mrs Azmi's stance was "exacerbating the misunderstanding" of Islam, and making things harder for Muslim communities in Britain.

"She does have a responsibility of what's happening to the rest of the Muslims who are living in the country."

 

[bint_muhammed]

i think she was being stupid, why wear a veil in front of kids? i dont agree with what she did, what was she trying to make?

 

[sameer]

is there a possiblity that some adult can enter the classroom unexpectedly and caught her without the veil? Then she is justified. Would u take of ure hijab in a class room that anyone can enter to?

 

[*Hana*]

is there a possiblity that some adult can enter the classroom unexpectedly and caught her without the veil? Then she is justified. Would u take of ure hijab in a class room that anyone can enter to?

Salam Alaikum brother:

The difference is that the Hijab does not hinder the 2nd language learning process. So, no, there would be no need to remove my hijab in the classroom.

Wasalam,
Hana

 

[sameer]

^^ yes but she would be viewing her viel as part of her Hijab - hence her taking of her veil would equate to u taking of ure hijab.

 

[S_87]

again i stress she wasnt teaching them a second language...asians round here speak whack english anyhow

i hope shell drop it now. its just keeping the issue in top news

 

[bint_muhammed]

^^ yes but she would be viewing her viel as part of her Hijab - hence her taking of her veil would equate to u taking of ure hijab.

when she went for her interview she didnt find it important to keep it on. i know she was doing it for islamic purposes but the thing is she wasnt being wise about it.

 

[sameer]

yeah i knwo abou tthat part...but maybe the sister has tried to improve on her iman? i dunno

but i was just making the point that the classroom is a valid place to wear the hijab or veil beacuse it is still a place where a male can come in unexpectedly.

What i cant understand is, if ure employer tells u to take of ure hijab, how would u react? and Im sure everyone else on the board would be on ure side. The same goes for the sister, if she regards the veil as part of her hijab and is comulsory...then telling her to take it off is like tellling u to take of ure hijab.

 

[~Stranger~]

the thing is she wasnt being wise about it.

excuse me?? isnt that called GHEEBAH?? and is supposed to be HARAM in islam??

she did something that many of u wont dare to do. u dont know why she did it so u have no right to say such thing about her.

subhanAllah, how do we expect non muslims to respect us when we dont respect and support our own brothers and sisters?? the prophet said u should always help ur brother whether he is right or wrong- if hes wrong u (try to) fix it, not backbite him

that sister needs our help and support.

 

[bint_muhammed]

excuse me?? isnt that called GHEEBAH?? and is supposed to be HARAM in islam??

she did something that many of u wont dare to do. u dont know why she did it so u have no right to say such thing about her.

subhanAllah, how do we expect non muslims to respect us when we dont respect and support our own brothers and sisters?? the prophet said u should always help ur brother whether he is right or wrong- if hes wrong u (try to) fix it, not backbite him

that sister needs our help and support.

no! thats not backbiting (i wasnt intending to be nasty and if i came acroos like i was, i'm sorry and i hope allah swt forgives me) !!!!!! i'm sorry if one of our brother or sisters was gonna commit a crime i suppose we all have to support them! :rollseyes

 

[bint_muhammed]

yeah i knwo abou tthat part...but maybe the sister has tried to improve on her iman? i dunno

but i was just making the point that the classroom is a valid place to wear the hijab or veil beacuse it is still a place where a male can come in unexpectedly.

What i cant understand is, if ure employer tells u to take of ure hijab, how would u react? and Im sure everyone else on the board would be on ure side. The same goes for the sister, if she regards the veil as part of her hijab and is comulsory...then telling her to take it off is like tellling u to take of ure hijab.

if my employer askked me to remove my hijab i would have a problem with especially if he'd seen me in the interview with it on and didnt mention it!