Islamic State of Iraq Has Been Proclaimed

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justahumane said:
Brother, its very much evident that Majority of muslims have rejected shariyah laws. I know that its a pill too bitter to swallow. PLz have a unbiased look around muslims nations if u dont believe me.

I agree that ppls who want it are MUSLIMS.

Ironically enough, what I have observed on the Islamic sites like this one, the ppls, who want shariyah laws be implemented on muslims prefer to live under kufr regiems of western societies enjoying freedome of speech and democracy along with luxuries of western lifestyle, and they dont miss a chance to denounce it too.:rollseyes

ALLAH knows best.
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There is much confusion on what real sharia laws are many say things like "if your raped u need 3 witness's!!" this is not sharia law that is ignorant people and second that that is misinterprted its based on adultry not rape..

and laws as such indeed are rejected by muslims as they are not islamic the sharia laws we wish to live by are accepted by us that are things such as no alcohol,only halal meat,islamic teachings and quranic law.. all muslims accept that what many muslims reject are extreme so called sharia laws that are undertaken by extremists theres a diffrence... for example if there was a law like the taliban stated that EVERY male MUST keep a beard we would reject that as it is not stated that every muslim male MUST have a beard...

we are talking laws of a responsible islamic state that is what all muslims desire...

and i know no muslim that rejects living under those laws we seek it...
 
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Al qaeda in iraq...meaning?


Ironically enough, what I have observed on the Islamic sites like this one, the ppls, who want shariyah laws be implemented on muslims prefer to live under kufr regiems of western societies enjoying freedome of speech and democracy along with luxuries of western lifestyle, and they dont miss a chance to denounce it too
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hopefully now a shariah place has been established these people can go help build up the shariah govt? :X :lol:
 
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Rou said:
There is much confusion on what real sharia laws are many say things like "if your raped u need 3 witness's!!" this is not sharia law that is ignorant people and second that that is misinterprted its based on adultry not rape..

and laws as such indeed are rejected by muslims as they are not islamic the sharia laws we wish to live by are accepted by us that are things such as no alcohol,only halal meat,islamic teachings and quranic law.. all muslims accept that what many muslims reject are extreme so called sharia laws that are undertaken by extremists theres a diffrence... for example if there was a law like the taliban stated that EVERY male MUST keep a beard we would reject that as it is not stated that every muslim male MUST have a beard...
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This piece you just wrote has an enormous amount of light! I didn't know there was a dispute over the interpretation of Shariah laws. So, are you saying these other laws (eg: men must wear beards, etc.) have been expounded by scholars following a tribal custom that is not recorded in the Quran? Hmm. I never thought to ask them for a justification of their interpretation. Well, I did this once before, but only with regards to the suicide belts. Wow. If this is the real problem, things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better.

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Rou said:
There is much confusion on what real sharia laws are many say things like "if your raped u need 3 witness's!!" this is not sharia law that is ignorant people and second that that is misinterprted its based on adultry not rape..

and laws as such indeed are rejected by muslims as they are not islamic the sharia laws we wish to live by are accepted by us that are things such as no alcohol,only halal meat,islamic teachings and quranic law.. all muslims accept that what many muslims reject are extreme so called sharia laws that are undertaken by extremists theres a diffrence... for example if there was a law like the taliban stated that EVERY male MUST keep a beard we would reject that as it is not stated that every muslim male MUST have a beard...
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The Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) is also a source of islamic law, and therefore if it is stated in the authentic sunnah that men should grow their beards, then that is what a muslim man should do. If it's in the sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) to stone the adulterer, then that is what should be applied within an islamic sharia' based state. And Allaah Almighty know's best.
 
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This piece you just wrote has an enormous amount of light! I didn't know there was a dispute over the interpretation of Shariah laws. So, are you saying these other laws (eg: men must wear beards, etc.) have been expounded by scholars following a tribal custom that is not recorded in the Quran? Hmm. I never thought to ask them for a justification of their interpretation. Well, I did this once before, but only with regards to the suicide belts. Wow. If this is the real problem, things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better.

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There is a diffrence in quranic law and whats called hadith and sharia laws...

hard to explain..hadith are what the followers of prophet mohammed pbuh witnessed in his life with him and what he said in there presence and quranic laws are what are stated in the quran that are from allah...

now the quran is not tampered with nor is it distorted in any way indeed at times some misinterpret it but thats hard to do and only a fool would miss the whole message and see the single verse...

on the other hand hadith are the words of men and they can be distorted and misinterpreted easier...and not only that westerners hear a hadith or verse and change the meaning and think there is a law stating that women must be forced to wear veils or that they need four witness's before they can prove they were raped now this is utter rubbish...

the every man having a beard is not a law more of a suggestion there are diffrent rules now for example a law is that we can not eat the meat of swine that is absolute and cannot be done...

on the other hand something like muslims should wear islamic hats or have beards is not quranic law..

if extremists force some to do this it is force it is not law...

allah has given us a choice in some laws and no choice in others...

muslims know what laws need to be implemented and what are extremist laws.

and the valid laws are what muslims want around the world...
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
The Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) is also a source of islamic law, and therefore if it is stated in the authentic sunnah that men should grow their beards, then that is what a muslim man should do. If it's in the sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) to stone the adulterer, then that is what should be applied within an islamic sharia' based state. And Allaah Almighty know's best.
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Indeed but it was never meant to be a law that is implemented upon a people that they should all grow beards...the prophet pbuh would not want us to force men to grow beards that would not increase faith if those who wished to do so can and those that dont sould not be made to..it is a choice of the beleiver not a law...

the stoning indeed if it has been proven without doubt then the culprit can be stoned...but if they repent in there ways then they are spared and allah knows best indeed...
 
Rou said:
There is much confusion on what real sharia laws are many say things like "if your raped u need 3 witness's!!" this is not sharia law that is ignorant people and second that that is misinterprted its based on adultry not rape..

and laws as such indeed are rejected by muslims as they are not islamic the sharia laws we wish to live by are accepted by us that are things such as no alcohol,only halal meat,islamic teachings and quranic law.. all muslims accept that what many muslims reject are extreme so called sharia laws that are undertaken by extremists theres a diffrence... for example if there was a law like the taliban stated that EVERY male MUST keep a beard we would reject that as it is not stated that every muslim male MUST have a beard...

we are talking laws of a responsible islamic state that is what all muslims desire...

and i know no muslim that rejects living under those laws we seek it...
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And what Sharia have you created? Dont you know that it is the SUNNAH to grow the beard? It was not rejected, if it is then you reject the SUNNAH of the Prophet SWS. What is your defination of Extremists by the way?
 
But why not the president announced the islamic state:? He was elected by people, he had the trust of the entire nation he will work in the country wealth and for their security, so why he doesn't declare the state, if thats the people wish:?
 
Allhumdulilah..

..but whenever something goes wrong now, it will be blamed on the 'islamic state'..?
 
Allhumdulilah..
I pray to allah(Swt) that it comes to fruitation, and that they are quided in the many step that will require for fullfillment.
..and the crusaders and their supporters (whom-ever take them Protectors and Guardians) fail miserably and get to hear the message of Islam.
 
north_malaysian said:
How can killing innocents can be 'lot of moral'?
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Killing of innocents is common with both, Quida and Saddam. But former at least believe that they are killing in the cause of ALLAH(They may be wrong with their belief), while the later was a tyrant and one of most ruthless dictator this earth has ever witnessed. He killed innocents for his own desires. For his own cause. It makes a lot of difference between the two, call it choice of lesser evil.:rollseyes

And ALLAH knows best.
 
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the thing with saying al qaeda you wonder who exactly are there. i mean if a muslim independantly blew himself up in the west they would say he is a member of al qaedah too. soo who exactly are they???
 
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